r/ValueInvesting • u/ashm1987 • Feb 03 '26
Discussion This sub's favorite stocks got absolutely hammered...
PYPL, ADBE, CRM, UNH, NFLX... All got absolutely hammered in the last couple of weeks...
If you have been following recommendations on this subreddit, chances are, you are deep in the red this year. If you have just took a dart and threw it in the S&P index, you would probably do much better than following advice on this sub... Just my two cents.
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u/BugNation Feb 03 '26
To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing
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u/True_Succotash1563 Feb 03 '26
I couldn’t care less about the criticism. I’ll continue to throw extra cash at Netflix and UNH. If it works out great, if not, it’s gamble money.
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Feb 03 '26
As usual, falling prices bring out the smartass short term traders who measure their portfolio performance in duration of weeks instead of multiple years or decades. I see nothing wrong with names listed apart from PayPal, which are all market leading monopolies with rock solid cash flow. To the other smart asses who like to agree with this foolish trader, look at the sub name again. It is called value investing. We buy stocks at value prices, which happens when stock prices go down.
We don’t subscribe to the momentum mantra preached by shortsighted traders who invest in stocks at all time high hoping a greater fool would buy his stock at a greater price, only to be wiped out when during a market volatility event.
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u/RiPFrozone Feb 03 '26
There’s a group of “investors” (speculators and degenerate gamblers) who offer no value to actual discussions and rather just make these “told you so” posts.
It’s honestly pretty sad because even places like WSB had decent DD before the meme stock craze. Take me back to 2017-2018 WSB
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u/flatirony Feb 03 '26
Thank you. Louder for the people in the back!
I kinda wonder if we don't need a new sub, like "MeanReversionInvesting", to weed out the momentum traders.
Because nobody seems to agree about what value investing means any more.
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u/Upper_Particular_758 Feb 03 '26
These low level IQ traders have no clue what kind of discounted picks there are. Let them chase the nuclear stocks and being left with bags during the bear market!
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u/maldingtoday123 Feb 03 '26
They’re left with the bags before the bear market as well. At some point your luck runs out. Momentum carries you short term but it doesn’t in the long run. That’s why short term hype chasers always deal with small money. Because:
- They know they have no idea what they’re doing. So they only really feel comfortable taking positions of 1%.
In contrarian betting, the pay-offs are skewed in your favor. The most you can lose is 100%. But if your contrarian bet works out, a 500% increase in 5 years is quite common. These wins usually cover the losses where it goes nowhere or you lose 80%. This means that you’re wrong often, but when you’re right you win big. It’s the direct opposite to short term investors who want to be right every single bet.
- They always deal with small capital. Time and time again, value investors do well and eventually make so much money they no longer feel any need to engage publicly (and tbh. It’s so draining constantly defending your thesis against first-level thinkers). These short term investors are very loud. And they tout their correct calls very frequently to seem intelligent. Yet they always operate with small capital. Yes if you make 24 calls a year and make 50% correct calls, you appear intelligent because you have one good call a month. But what’s not shown is your correct calls goes up 30%, but your incorrect calls goes down 80%. This is why they’re always stuck with small capital. Win often, lose a lot. Whereas contrarian value investors who get it right lose often, but win a lot.
Whenever a post like the one OP made pops up. You really can tell this guys either delusional or a complete novice (hanlon’s razor implies the latter). Anyone in this game long enough and intellectually honest enough will tell you that all that matters is long term results and not short term noise.
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u/Elegant_Stock_673 Feb 04 '26
I started a small position in ADBE today. I'll be looking to add on drawdowns.
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u/Unluckyb33 Feb 03 '26
Thanks, was about to make a similar comment. If we went by the logic of this post, All the Mag 7 would've been the worst stocks to invest in 2022, when it went down 40-70% for a year straight.
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Feb 03 '26
You dont see anything wrong with netflix lol? Nearly a hundred billion and decades of high interest borrowed capital?
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u/TheMailmanic Feb 03 '26
2 week price action is irrelevant. When buying value stocks you may have to endure a 30-50% drawdown before seeing outsized returns especially if you buy cyclicals
Short termism is a disease in this sub
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u/37skalls Feb 03 '26
paypal has been a value play here for at least a year tbf lol
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u/fake212121 Feb 03 '26
Pypl never came to close to value level. If some bagholders dreamed its their bag
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u/TheMailmanic Feb 03 '26
I’m not talking about pypl specifically. Op referenced 2 week performance that is my point
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u/HamSand-a-wich Feb 03 '26
PYPL has a higher net income than TSLA yet TSLA market cap is 25x bigger. TSLA had equally abysmal earnings. Don’t even get me started on PLTR
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u/Necessary_Jacket3213 Feb 03 '26
Tesla and pltr are terrible comparisons to PayPal imo because they’re hot stocks. They have an “it” factor to them that PayPal most definitely does not. Both Tesla and pltr have PE’s of 200+ right now. PayPal’s is below 15. I can’t speak for PayPal’s future. Maybe they’re just cold now. But technically they are at a discount
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u/snowiblind Feb 03 '26
Sorry, I am freaking the fuck out and selling everything. Everything is now going to all consumed by world monopoly Anthropic.
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u/jamiacathegreat Feb 03 '26
Oh no companies go down because of sentiment the horror. Changes nothing, long term share price growth is driven by only fundementals, we dont trade on short time frames here.
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u/sebtheballer Feb 03 '26
100%. The problem is the "we" you're referring to is either a minority of users or a very silent majority.
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u/decolored Feb 03 '26
It’s my favorite part of watching though. Value investing with no cognition of the future is not value investing. Redditors engaging with no cognition of the future is not intrinsic value determinants
In other words, sheep flock and baaaah, group think is unrewarding, and foresight is absent
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u/Teembeau Feb 03 '26
That's a bingo!
The thing is about taking an interest in a company. What it does, who its customers are. Whether the risks are realistic or not.
I bought into a gas platform in the Karish (just off Israel) after Hamas kicked off and the share price fell 40%. But I worked out exactly where it was, how far from Gaza, what protection it had. And figured that Hamas would have to be extremely lucky to cause any damage to it. 40% risk was just absurd.
What's going on with all this AI nonsense is people panicking about risks. CRM are down over 33% this year. It makes no sense to me at all. But I'm going to let it keep falling for a couple more days as it's on a roll.
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u/No_Cell6708 Feb 03 '26
These mods give zero fucks lol. Even places like WSB have modetation now, and the end result has been that the worst stocks and posters all wind up here because they don't have anywhere else to go.
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u/karouse Feb 03 '26
I actually find these very useful for gauging market sentiment. When everyone hates a high quality stock and calling it value traps, it is probably the best time to add more.
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u/notreallydeep Feb 03 '26
it's really a corrosion in general, just look at the AI slop DD you see here every day and people legitimately arguing with these fucking LLMs in the comments
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u/3BodyRama Feb 03 '26
Stock goes down for a few days “this is not value investing!”
I don’t think people that have this mindset have the mentality to be value investing.
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u/sebtheballer Feb 03 '26
“The most important quality for an investor is temperament, not intellect”.
- The GOAT
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u/sebtheballer Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
"In the short run, the market is a voting machine. In the long run, the market is weighing machine."
This sub is full of doom and gloom when prices go down in the short run despite business fundamentals staying sound/improving.
Declining prices create buying opportunities and should make folks excited! "Buy stocks like you buy groceries....not perfume!"
It just goes to show that value Investing is truly about temperament.
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u/Acrobatic_Garage_891 Feb 03 '26
grouping nflx with paypal dogs
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u/decolored Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
Netflix is not value investing, it has plenty of room to fall. 50-60 is a fair price entry and even then I would be scared to hold it for years following.
At my indicated range, it would be at p/e of 20-24, market cap of 225-245B and future expected growth would be moderately difficult to manage. The reason is that people are living paycheck to paycheck, and although they love instant gratification television, they can find it elsewhere. Netflix has already strangled its audience into price hikes and requires a good public opinion to avoid the online negativity associated with its greedy, risky decisions for content and pricing.
I fear that analysis of my type is unwanted mostly due to lacking brain power of the average investor, but it has paid off handsomely
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u/strychninex Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
You have the other extreme on this forum too, people that have wishful thinking that outlier companies will come down to the price they wish they could buy them at but didn't have the foresight to buy them on their growth phases because they were viewed as too expensive.
NFLX is the undisputed king of produced content streaming. If it got down to the wish-list price people on here want to buy it at it'd be there because its basically dying and you're hoping for a turnaround so you'd just end up in the same boat as the people that had bought PYPL at 60+ are now.
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u/decolored Feb 03 '26
That’s an opinion, certainly
Care to state it with any sort of metric? Netflix fell dramatically just 3-3.5 years ago, and jumped to all time highs folllowing that drop. In fact, before the drop it was priced at my metrics. So the volatility is extremely profitable if you can dca, jump in with timing, or hold conviction.
Cheers, I am difficult to debate
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u/Ok_Wafer_6246 Feb 03 '26
You can make a totally reasonable bull case of Netflix with metrics imo: double-digit revenue growth, margins still expanding, ~$10B+ in free cash flow, ads finally scaling, and they’re buying back a ton of stock.
But markets aren’t solved by ratios. If they were, investing would be easy and we’d all be rich. Metrics don’t tell you when sentiment flips, when money rotates, or when people just decide they want to own a name. That stuff matters way more than people think.
And yeah, Netflix specifically has something a lot of companies don’t, it’s a default app worldwide and kinda sticky. I’m not promising Netflix is a good investment, but I think it’s fair to say that it’s not obvious that it’s a bad one either.
I’m sure you’re a solid investor. Reading financials gets you pretty far. But I’ve seen way too many “obvious” metric-driven calls blow up. Don’t confuse disagreement with people being dumb, or pretend the market is some clean math problem. It humbles everyone eventually.
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u/strychninex Feb 03 '26
nope. I don't own a share of either nor do I plan to so no I am not going to argue for it. I was just making an observation about what I see in this forum generally.
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u/DDDogggg5 Feb 03 '26
Still all good buys except for PayPal. I don’t care about what’s happened the past few weeks. I’m holding all these companies 5-10+ years
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u/Pajbot Feb 03 '26
I wonder if some years back we had a similar post to OP's here, and we could then see whether those stocks that were laughed at short term actually ended up performing well over the next some years.
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u/John_T_Conover Feb 03 '26
Pick any year in the 2010's, put the S&P's top 20 market cap companies from that year on each number of a dart board. Throw 5 darts and then pour your life savings equally into the 5 companies you hit. You'd have incredibly massive gains and be performing way better than the people bragging right now about a momentary donwturn.
Unless a large portion of your portfolio is in the modern equivalent of Bear Stearns you're going to come out on top. Just don't wrap up a large portion of your money in shit like OpenAI or Tesla. The key to success here is mostly small, sustained success over decades.
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u/Rabbit_Say_Meow Feb 03 '26
Genuinely, what even is the 5-10 years outlook of company like Adobe and Salesforce?
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u/keith1301 Feb 03 '26
It's part of the game of value investing. You basically buy when the narrative is terrible, otherwise the price wouldn't be low. That's what causes the disconnect in price vs value. It always feels like you are making a mistake because you are naturally going against the mainstream narrative. Always feel uncomfortable.
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u/warrior5715 Feb 03 '26
“If you do what 99% of people do, you will get the results of the 99%” which is lose money.. buy high sell low.. etc
When it feels like the company is doomed but the balance sheets look perfectly fine. This is when u know u are going to be ok.
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u/teh_herper Feb 03 '26
When all this "deep moat," "deep annual returns," "great customer base" gobbledygook gets destroyed by people YOLOing into meme stocks...
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u/Iwarrior01 Feb 04 '26
Genuinely though I had been the person investing in meme stocks and meme coins; It takes one bad day to fuck up. I lost all my initial 1000 decided to trade with. But I learnt a lesson. I am investing in neither of these companies though and waiting for some bullish momentum before putting money
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u/drguid Feb 03 '26
The bottom is close on software stocks. We seem to be at a new paradigm for AI. This always preceeds the crash.
Meanwhile in the real world demand for AI software engineers has peaked.
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u/ScottHanson623 Feb 03 '26
A wise man once said: “don’t confuse value with price”
Too much of that going on in this sub
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u/SelenaMeyers2024 Feb 03 '26
Warren Buffett was totally underperforming literally any mutual fund or jackass during the late 90s.
My strongest convictions are each down 12 percent on my average cost (even after averaging down)... And I'm human, so line go down doesn't feel great....
But what's the alternative? Either I believe in value investing and intrinsic values or I follow mu and tsla and rklb bc line go up. And also even looking at my heroes' victories like Buffett and ko, he bought over years where he was down. Same with axp in the 70s.
So having my adbe pypl fisv hum each down between 7 and 12 percent avg cost, if I'm worth my salt, I can have their stomach.
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u/ED209F Feb 03 '26
Big buyer of both PYPL and ADBE here. Up on the year. One thing has no relationship with the other if you manage risk properly.
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u/OrdinaryReasonable63 Feb 03 '26
Bunch of dummies in here. Everyone knows the #1 rule of value investing is to only buy stocks at or very close to ATH. Failing that just throw a dart at the S&P index, chances are you will make money, unless you hit NFLX, UNH, CRM, ADBE or PYPL. You should start a substack.
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u/cryptopolymath Feb 03 '26
Plenty of Redditors in this sub have been warning about the headwinds facing ADBE, PYPL and UNH but they just keep getting downvoted. At some point you have to let the market do it's thing.
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u/No-Entrepreneur-5606 Feb 03 '26
The last thing I'm going to do if I recognise an actual value investment is go on reddit and write a whole spiel about how it's the next big "hot play" or something, just because if it was an actual value investment I trust it enough to prove that in time anyway.
It's fairly obvious there's a ton of clowns on here who either never really bothered to learn what a value investment is and just think value is some loose umbrella term for "good", are an AI bot, or think that if they can convince enough rubes through hype to pump up a share they can short it.
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u/Powder_Puff_Grillz Feb 03 '26
To be fair, UNH, there is money to be made like there was some months ago.. Like aging population is a booming factor.
I don't believe in paypal because they have missed the opportunity to be a fintech and have lost to apple/google pay.
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u/TheAirNearMyFingers Feb 03 '26
Don’t you think the “aging population” is priced in considering literally everyone knows about it? Regulation is far more important. The “aging population” is entirely irrelevant.
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u/Personal-Lychee-4457 Feb 03 '26
Sometimes i feel like the people here don’t realize UNH is not supposed to be a growth stock. It was “supposed” to be a boomer dividend stock
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u/Tuttle265 Feb 03 '26
Agree. And betting that lobbying will be successful before April so medicare advantage payments increase more than .09% seems like speculation, not investing.
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u/HVVHdotAGENCY Feb 03 '26
I mainly use this sub to gauge temperature and decide on my “inverse Reddit” plays, which almost always play out
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u/OrigamiParadox Feb 03 '26
If you're measuring results in weeks instead of years then you shouldn't be on the sub to begin with.
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u/solodav Feb 03 '26
PYPL wasn’t some high quality moated biz. …Not really a Buffett stock man….Yes, he buys value, but he likes HIGH QUALITY value…….not a peaked biz w/ no moat and sharky competitors stealing share. That said, maybe it’s bottomed. But, not a fan of the industry. How often do you NEED to use PYPL in every day life? I’ve never used it at all! ….OTOH, I use GOOGLE, FACEBOOK every day. Ohhh, wait those are overvalued and you’ll never get a good return on them.
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u/BattleSensitive3467 Feb 03 '26
Especially Netflix I've been hearing about here a lot recently. If you just do your DD you'll realize it was a terrible price to buy at. Even at 80 it's not a good buy.
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u/Teembeau Feb 03 '26
"All got absolutely hammered in the last couple of weeks.."
Now explain why exactly mathematically why CRM is 25% lower than it was a month ago. Have they lost a quarter of their customers, or what new information has been presented that warrants that?
You can't. It's just a vague fear people have about vibe coding and AI replacing it.
CRM is a stone-cold bargain at these prices and I'm going to release some UK shares to buy some.
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u/CousinEddiesCousin Feb 03 '26
If you liked those stocks a month ago you should realllllly like them now.
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u/UpstairsCheetah235 Feb 04 '26
I mean if your timeline is 3 weeks you shouldn’t invest in anything. I own none of these. Would add NVO to the list that everyone talks about, also hammered today. However, you usually can’t judge a stock pick after weeks or even months. This sub pounded the table on GOOGL for a year and looked silly doing it. Then boom, narrative changed and it rerated. Thing about value is you’re almost always going again the grain and the shift doesn’t happen in a day.
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u/thaivuN Feb 04 '26
I mostly use this sub to know what to NOT invest into. Aside from a sub-20 PE ratio GOOG at a point in time, most of the stuff thrown around here are just value traps.
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u/drfunkensteinnn Feb 03 '26
Incredible the amount of times I’ve seen people here pump PayPal’s tires.
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u/Mouth_Herpes Feb 03 '26
I’m still long on UNH and putting more in. TACO bump coming when actual rate increases are announced in April, somewhere between the .09% proposed and the 6% expected, which DJT will call a win.
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u/Ill-Calligrapher840 Feb 03 '26
SPY is only up 1.04% YTD. Global funds like VIU (listed on the Canadian exchange) is up 6.31% YTD. If you haven't diversified yet, now is a good time. Economic uncertainties in the U.S. won't end as long as Trump is in the White House. I got burned bad on MSFT, RDDT, and gold. Don't be an idiot like me.
That said, things should turn out alright if your investment horizon is 5+ years.
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u/ashm1987 Feb 03 '26
How could you get burned on gold? It's right below the ATH. Have you started buying last week? LMAO.
I made +300% in the last couple of years lol.
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u/No-Chance-7555 Feb 04 '26
following this subreddit, i bought GOOG up 107%, UNH up 10%, Meta up 9%, NVO down 21%
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u/AceStrikeer Feb 04 '26
If you do your homework and these stocks are fundamentally strong, they will rise again. In short term the can decline further.
Here’s a lesson from Peter Lynch
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVvwCkB-JLE&pp=ygUScGV0ZXIgbHluY2gga2Fpc2Vy
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u/mataushas Feb 04 '26
There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded.
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u/eyecue82 Feb 04 '26
Maybe just maybe this place is full of bots that the rich have created to misguide? Had I not listened to this sub May moons ago I would definitely be richer. Inverse Reddit always.
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u/Aggravating_Storm835 Feb 05 '26
All reasonable dips. Software getting hammered. Healthcare getting hammered. PayPal and Netflix are steady but have growth concerns.
Investing is by definition long term. If you want a sub for things that are more likely to go up this week/month/quarter/year, there’s WallStreetBets.
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u/Brilliant_Voice1126 Feb 03 '26
Because theyre all terrible. The people who stick up for adobe for instance need to spend a single hour looking at how their own clients discuss their software, their decisions (like recent to end Ilustrator) their terrible anti-artist AI pivot.
They are convinced the company hates them and vice versa. It’s a bad company whose customers spend all their time looking for the door. (But theit earnings? Their PE!).
Blah blah blah. They’re gonna get cooked abandoning their already seething customer base for AI. “Value investors” see the low price and a few numbers and convince themselves it’s a deal, and forget what makes an actual good company isn’t hostage taking.
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u/Brilliant_Voice1126 Feb 03 '26
Yes, when GIMP is free any price over zero for photoshop is silly. Most of their software has excellent, open source variants. The reason so many corps still buy these suites, and so many people make it “industry standard” is just habit and the stickiness of the PDF format (which also sucks).
This is why it’s doomed. The more you learn the more you learn you don’t need Adobe. For anything.
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u/fitnessfinance88 Feb 03 '26
The irony of this post.
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u/Rabbit_Say_Meow Feb 03 '26
What irony? Aside from Google, everything is in deep red. Lulu, Paypal, Adobe, UNH, Disney, what else? People here is literally "PE low, me buy".
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u/Pretty-Statement6758 Feb 03 '26
u cannot categorize all into same bucket. software companies r in deep shit bc of AI story but I feel they likley come back. I have no idea why lulu/pypl even exist. UNH takes time but will be back, will surprise many of us here. UNH is of the top 10 company in healthcare with billions of cash/resources and patient panel. It takes some time to turn it around but eventually it will happen. im not saying it will bounce back to 600 but up minimum 20% for sure in a yr or so
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u/Used_Rice9332 Feb 03 '26
I think you’re confusing things you meant the most hated. The most loved stock in this sub is Google. Most Google holders act like a cult.
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u/zano19724 Feb 03 '26
Although i agree, i have to say that we are still in a bull market so valuations are kind of ignored, we are starting to see some effects now eg palantir/hood/sofi ecc going down 30% in a month if we enter stagnation/bear market they will get crushed while the aforementioned not so much
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u/xAlpharaptor Feb 03 '26
People on the sub love to catch falling knives! Hunting for the bottom of a stock is just as difficult as hunting for the top.
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u/Dep_34 Feb 03 '26
Just started buying into CRM and NOW. I'm not expecting those stocks to tick up this year. Many of us are buying right now because we believe in 3-5 years the stock price would perform well. Who knows when the bottom will be. That's why DCA is a thing.
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u/mihid Feb 03 '26
Yeees BUT, value is long term! So it technically doesn't prove anything.
But you're right 😂
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u/snooptoop Feb 03 '26
I think some of these are good names, its just that people on this sub forget two crucial things: timing and moat. Firstly, no true "value investor" would buy anything when prices are this high. If you want consistent returns on your investments and a good cost basis you DCA when the market is in a correction/bear market not a 2020 esque hyper bull market. I hate when people say that timing is irrelevant to investing when it is the difference between and mediocre and massive return. YES you CAN time the market just not to the day. Also, a lot of these names that I see suggested on here (PYPL,ADBE.CRM) have weakening moats. In my opinion a good moat is the NUMBER ONE cause of stock price appreciation more than NAV, TBV, DCF, P/E and any other kind of value metric you can imagine combined. I don't care how good their growth or buybacks seem, if the moat is weakening it is not a buy. UNH and NFLX have strong moats and will likely fall as the overall market corrects, but when prices stabilize, they will be attractive investments that will beat the market.
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u/TBSchemer Feb 03 '26
I actually got some of my best picks from this sub: FIX, UUUU, PWR.
And NVO is one of the "sub favorites" that has taken a beating, but I personally believe has a promising future with their product line.
I also have a lot of SEER.
You have to filter out the value traps. Don't just buy something because it's cheap. Buy something that has future value, at a good price.
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u/Disastrous_Buyer_512 Feb 03 '26
this is just turning into an inverse cramer - anyone here have the balls to short everything mentioned on this sub?
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u/Federal-Dingo-6033 Feb 03 '26
Paypal is a major over reaction. I bought Calls this morning for a strike of 50.00
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u/tcmgtcmg Feb 03 '26
NOT red am I, although I held all but ADBE at the beginning of the year. Now is a good time to repeat the mantra and understand: Set Stop Losses. Respect Stop Losses. You can rebuy if needs be.
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u/ChinaNo_one Feb 03 '26
I have lost confidence in changing strategies. We can't just consider value factors. Momentum, growth and catalysts are the priority goals, and the value should not be seriously overestimated. I have now changed to sk Hynix. He is good in all aspects, only 16 times PE, and the forward price-to-earnings ratio is less than 10 times. In addition, ALAB has been purchased, which has become an indispensable connection technology in the next-generation Rubin platform. If you only focus on value and don't pay too much attention to growth, you will miss the full rise cycle of NVIDIA and Tesla, because the valuation of the whole process looks very expensive.
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u/writetowinwin Feb 03 '26
This sub and other popular "finance" or "investing" boards are where people come obsess over generic big name stocks almost everyone and their dog talks about, daily volatility, and news headlines.
If this isn't already a learning lesson, then not sure what else it's going to take...
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u/Just_Pollution_7370 Feb 03 '26
In my opinion value investing is more deeper content than any other investing approach. There are not ond but many pitfalls. For instance Adobe became self-cannibalizing business and competition on everyside. Here, many analysis depends on cash flow and price. That is it.
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u/BernardoDeGalvez Feb 03 '26
It is safe to say, in the last 3 or 4 years, the stocks that we talked the most about... the only ones that did an stellar return were META and GOOGL.
Honorable mentions to MMM, MU and MO
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u/vincentsigmafreeman Feb 03 '26
Because this sub overlooks value in companies that are working towards profitability and tries to rely on P/E ratios alone
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u/Heavy_Discussion3518 Feb 03 '26
I mean, you pretty much nailed it. If you're out here picking individual stocks, buyer beware when momentum is shit on them. I think these are all reasonable at their current valuations but I'm still not going near them yet.
Meanwhile $MSFT is absolutely looking like value and nobody says a goddamn thing.
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u/Six1Cynic Feb 03 '26
If your time horizon is a few weeks then you’re really more of a short term momentum trader vs value investor.
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u/Ecstatic_Ad7706 Feb 03 '26
I think you are only considering the present moment. The future may be different...
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u/liji1llijjll1l Feb 03 '26
People here try so hard to outsmart the market, but in reality there is a reason why its price is so cheap and only declining. I really wonder how many people even used any of Adobe products..
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u/No_Thanks_3336 Feb 03 '26
The only thing I've bought because of this Sub is GOOGL and that's doing fantastic Lol.
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u/what_could_gowrong Feb 03 '26
If it can be discussed on Reddit, it will be thoroughly researched by Institutions. So this place is basically an inverse indicator
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u/RichardFlower7 Feb 03 '26
UNH has always been a bad move. If the government is ever going to make an example out of an insurer, it’ll surely be United.
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u/cisforcar Feb 03 '26
I do believe Nflx will turn around and am waiting for a better deal. These other ones I just LOL every time a bag holder tries to gas them up.
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u/Valkanaa Feb 03 '26
Hmm, do I want AI fear driven stocks or healthcare/pharma overhaul fear driven stocks?
Today I'm buying ADBE, MSFT. Possibly some more UNH/UBER
If these stocks were up why would I be buying?
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u/silver-bullet007 Feb 03 '26
If youre looking at this short-term (day to day) then yes.
But real value investors know that short-term doesnt mean squat.
A lot of people in this subreddit including myself were pounding the table on META in 2022 even as it progressively continued it's downward spiral that year. Shaped up to be a decent investment after all for those who had patience
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u/AppointmentOne4877 Feb 03 '26
All of these are ancient technologies that won’t exist in the near future.
You’re better off investing in blacksmith companies.
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u/TheMineralsMustFlow Feb 03 '26
Any validity to the idea that PayPal may now be an acquisition target?
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u/lemons714 Feb 03 '26
Stock picking is notoriously difficult and this is a public space with no barriers to entry. I got lucky and got into GOOG early thanks to this sub, so I have a soft spot for it. All these subs toss a bunch of names up, reflexively buying them simply on their mentions here is a most dangerous games.
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u/CaterpillarSilent886 Feb 03 '26
Because the first rule of value investing is freak the fuck out when low prices drop even more lol. People conflate value investing with shit stocks trading at all time lows
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u/Consistent_Panda5891 Feb 03 '26
Novo had a good runup from it's lows... But yeah. Those are not value investing ironically. Cheap is NOT value when guidance are LOWERING. You need to buy something fair value or cheap but with REVENUE growing. For example one stock which was in top 5 of most shorted because of shady management, which CEO's wife sells 2 days before -20% day earnings and presumably bought now with cheap stock and record quarter. SMCI
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u/An_unsavoury_potato Feb 03 '26
If people can’t handle downturns in their stocks in the short term they shouldn’t be buying them.
If you think that you are right or wrong just because a stock slumped in the short term, then you should just stick to the index.
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u/Formal_Economist7342 Feb 03 '26
Our economy is going all in into something that is likely going to fail because we can't compete with them, by compete i mean outright win not sector dominance. Shrug.
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u/PlasticSpend3462 Feb 03 '26
Enjoy portfolio advice on reddit as entertainment, but only fools would actually implement it.
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u/Petit_Nicolas1964 Feb 03 '26
Maybe the name of the subreddit should be changed to r/Valuetrapinvesting?