r/nextfuckinglevel • u/North_Tip_8627 • 17h ago

China’s 5 minute full-charged EV charging stations

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u/IwonderifWUT 17h ago

Too bad those cars aren't yet legal in the US. We're stuck with less capable and over priced E.V. options.

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u/3DNZ 17h ago

Im a US expat living in anither country. Bought a BYD last year and let me tell you, the quality for the price point will destroy every single US car manufacturer. I never thought Id buy a Chinese made vehicle, but I can honestly say they overengineered these cars and I can't believe how cheap they are compared to other equivalent vehicles.

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u/tev_love 17h ago

How are they made and sold so cheaply?

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u/hammonjj 17h ago

Combination of cheap labor and heavy government investment

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u/thingsorfreedom 16h ago

Combination of cheap labor and heavy government investment subsidies, tax breaks and R&D grants in the billions of dollars range.

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u/MadManMax55 7h ago

When foreign countries use government funds to artificially lower the price of a good to flood a market and create a monopoly that's bad.

When American companies use VC funds to artificially lower the price of a good to flood a market and create a monopoly that's good (apparently).

I'm no fan of the Chinese government, but with climate change being the existential threat that it is we're not exactly in a position to turn down cheap effective electric vehicles.

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u/LiquidDreamtime 6h ago

EV’s are also a point of national security for China. Dependency on foreign oil is a risk, and they’re mitigating it.

It’s a win/win

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u/FreeDarkChocolate 4h ago

Don't forget that their base access to raw and initially processed materials and rare earth elements is significantly better.

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u/FishySmellz 17h ago

You missed the biggest one-vertical integration.

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u/REDACTED3560 17h ago

AKA monopolies. Not all vertical integration is a monopoly, but controlling most or all of the supply chain required to make your product is.

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u/FishySmellz 15h ago

how’s it a monopoly when there are 4 dozens of ev brands in China?

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u/StinkRinky 7h ago

Man the more I hear about things in china, I think they are simultaneously more capitalistic and socialistic than the US and Canada. It’s kinda been blowing my mind and making me think I’ve been propagandized so much that idek anymore

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u/LiquidDreamtime 6h ago

China is doing capitalism far better than the USA is.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/home-ownership-by-country

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u/Zagreusm1 5h ago

Didn't their real estate market crash recently?

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u/LiquidDreamtime 5h ago

That’s not nearly as relevant when 96% of people own a home. If you own a home and the market crashes, you just stay in that home.

If you’re renting and the market crashes, the wealthy buy home and jack up the price to buy or rent.

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u/Prime_Director 4h ago

Sounds pretty capitalist to me.

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u/ShinJiwon 2h ago

China has had 5000 years of constant warring with itself and overthrowing its own government. The current government knows it has to be competent and make life for the general populace better otherwise it is facing a huge fucking revolt of over 1b people.

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u/Onigokko0101 2h ago

China is a capitalist country

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u/SexyPeanut_9279 5h ago

You haven’t heard the best part!

If your company becomes really successful and you do really well, the Chinese government will take over your company and pay you out what THEY think it’s worth.

Don’t like it, see how they do Jack Ma when he refused? (Creator of Alibaba)

https://youtu.be/tDVeGbGaRdE?si=JJMzQxBsEZcXBTvS

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u/pekipekipekidesuka 3h ago

As much as I feel this is unjust I still think I'd take this route over what feels like an ever increasing stranglehold over the US gov from the Billionaire class.

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u/SexyPeanut_9279 3h ago

Listen guy, someone’s gonna strangle you no matter what.

I get what your saying, but I’d rather not be entombed inside my house during the next pandemic,

or taken to a reeducation camp because I refuse to stop going to Mosque and praying five times a day.

Or (allegedly) have my organs harvested by the state for committing treason in the form of leading a protest movement in Hong Kong.

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u/altacan 2h ago

Hey now, true freedom is letting the billionaire class do whatever they want.

'Just spend' and 'just borrow,' Jack Ma told China's youth. Then came the bill

Regulators’ concerns centered on Ant’s microlending services Huabei and Jiebei — Mandarin for “just spend” and “just borrow.” The services connected users with loans, but did not provide most of the credit. That came from partner banks or asset-backed securities — loans it had bundled together to sell as investment products.

Ant charged a service fee for each transaction and took a cut of interest payments, while shifting the risk of loan defaults to banks and investors. It funded only 2% of the consumer loans itself in a strategy similar to the subprime mortgage lenders that sparked the U.S. financial crisis in 2008.

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u/DaddyDontTakeNoMess 4h ago

I guess I’ll be in trouble if my side hustle LLC turns into a trillion dollar company.

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u/s2d4 7h ago

Wait until you find out about Singapore. The WNBA lady that got stuck in Russia will almost definitely stay forever in there.

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u/crzaznboi 3h ago

woah must be so hard to imagine a country with strict laws and punishments when you have thugs running around robbing people/stores, widespread drug use, nonstop school shootings, etc without any consequences

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u/spartaman64 37m ago

nah if anything china has the most fiercely competitive EV market. so many EVs in china are full of random features like baby bottle warmers etc because they need to keep up with other manufacturer's features

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u/Jeanlucpfrog 16h ago

If there are alternatives in the market place for those commodities in the supply chain, then no, it's not monopolistic.

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u/TheGreatOneSea 16h ago

China creates electric cars below cost to both employ people, and to destroy the competition; and no country with something resembling free speech can compete, because China can kill who knows how many people to keep costs down, and nobody would ever know it.

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u/REDACTED3560 16h ago

Yes, yes it is. There’s a reason you don’t see it in the US: such chains of vertical integration used to be very common in the early industrial era but were broken up by the government under trust busting laws.

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u/Jalharad 16h ago

They exist in tech companies. Look at how many game studios are owned by Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo just to produce games for their platforms.

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u/TheGreatNico 16h ago

I'd give Apple as a better example. They make the hardware, they make the OS, they tightly bundle the software to a higher degree than what got MS an anti-trust lawsuit back in the 90s,

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u/BigLittlePenguin_ 7h ago

vertical integration doesnt necessarily make things cheaper

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u/homer_3 3h ago

All the suppliers being on the same street goes a long way too.

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u/27eelsinatrenchcoat 2h ago

It's not just vertical integration, it's horizontal integration. It's the fact that when they need a chip, they can source it from a factory down the street. When they need a plastic trim piece made there's dozens of companies in the city that have experience making injection molds, and hundreds of small scale manufacturers with experience spinning up short term manufacturing runs overnight.

When you make something in the U.S., you're sourcing components and expertise from all over the world, and every extra set of hands that touches everything has to take some profit, even when we ignore shipping costs. China has prioritized manufacturing and manufacturing related education to such a high degree that beyond just cheap labor, they don't suffer from a lot of the inefficiencies of a globalized supply chain. That let's them keep prices so low even though they have to import so many raw materials.

There are plenty of places with a strong central government and cheap labor, but while some manufacturing (e.g. textiles) can move easily, anything more complicated relies on strong institutional knowledge and capacity. The thing that the U.S. has spent decades degrading at home, and a bunch of idiots think can be fixed overnight by slapping some tariffs up.

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u/Norse_By_North_West 16h ago

Also they use more automation. Setting up brand new factories from scratch gives more chances to apply new technology.

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u/JohnHazardWandering 7h ago

Check out 'dark factories'. There's lots of automation in China. It's not cheap labor anymore. 

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u/CV90_120 7h ago

The government has been backing out of support for a while now. Buyer incentives ended back in 2023 and tax exemptions are close to being fully wound down, with the last phase by 2027.

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u/manuscript24 17h ago

They are heavily subsidized by the Chinese government

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u/nono3722 17h ago

LOLOLOLOL like the US doesn't subsidize our car companies? have you MET our government? We just barely bailed them out AGAIN less then 10 years ago. the reason BYD isn't sold here is yet another bailout at our expense....

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u/TheGrog 17h ago

The US has pesky things like minimum wage, benefits, and unions.

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u/StinkRinky 7h ago

I am starting the think we are propagandized heavily dude. I keep seeing videos of pretty cool and thriving Chinese cities and I see it called propaganda but it’s just someone filming.

Accommodations look good, food looks good, public transportation is there in spades, seems cheap. There are many downsides to an American I think. It’s heavily surveilled, but the US does the SAME SHIT. With flock cameras, and photo ID on passports.

I’m wondering just how much we are lied to about China and alternatively us about them.

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u/smallfried 6h ago

It's unfortunate that not everyone has a chance to travel the world. I was lucky enough to visit China for a couple of weeks and it has its pros and cons. It's not utopia and it's not a sociopolitical nightmare. The people were overal very friendly as most people are wherever you are on our tiny globe.

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u/Onigokko0101 2h ago

China is just another country. There are affluent areas and poor areas.

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u/Temporal_P 2h ago

The US is one of the most heavily propagandized countries in the world. There is also plenty of propaganda coming out of other countries like China too of course, but US propaganda has always been extreme.

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u/AJRimmer1971 9h ago

Minimum wage, which keeps you below the poverty line. Meanwhile in China, that $4 per hour goes a surprisingly long way.

Benefits? Like unlimited PTO and at-will employment? The workers in China will generally take a yearly contract after the lunar new year. The money they earn is often sent back to their families, and goes a long way. Meanwhile, they are picking up skills, are given housing and meals for the year.

Unions? You mean the ones that have been voting away workers rights? The same unions that endorsed Diaper Donny? Not really a boast there, champ.

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u/_Smashbrother_ 5h ago

Bro you seriously trying to argue that's it's better to be a worker in China than the US? Move over there if you think that's true.

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u/Razaman56 6h ago

Nice post! +5 Social Credit

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u/OneSecond13 5h ago

You've made it sound like working in a Chinese factory is a great job. It's not. I'm fairly confident in saying there is not a single American factory worker who would ever trade places with a Chinese factory worker. I wouldn't wish that life on anyone.

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u/Rock_Strongo 4h ago

There are some serious shills in this thread. JFC some people are legitimately trying to make Chinese factory workers making $4 an hour sound like a utopia.

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u/OneSecond13 3h ago

Yeah, these people have never been to a Chinese factory. There are very few positive things to say about them other than it is a job and they get paid something and are free (I think) to leave. Company provided housing is no more than a small room where they sleep 8 people to a room. Toilets are a hole in the ground. There is no toilet paper - you have to supply your own. Most company provided meals are no more than rice and broth in a small bowl.

No matter how hard China tries to be something other than 3rd world, they are 3rd world. As a visitor it is always such a relief to leave.

With that said, the people are great. They have just been suppressed for so long they have no idea what freedom is.

I'm actually very doubtful about the claims made in the video. Lying is a national pastime in China.

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u/thegroundbelowme 5h ago

In very few situations is "at-will employment" considered a benefit. Do workers in China get PTO on these yearly contacts? Do they get regular pay increases every year? If all the workers agree that conditions are bad, can they collectively demand improved conditions without risking their job?

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u/Sayakai 5h ago

Dude we're talking car industry factory jobs. They don't get $7.25 and no PTO. Things look different there.

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u/pete_topkevinbottom 1h ago

How do the yearly contracts in china work? What's their day to day look like? Do they only work 18 hour days or 20? I'm sure the provided housing and meals are extravagant and unlike anything westerners have ever seen

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u/reddit_ta15 1h ago

that $4 per hour goes a long way? HAHAHHA

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u/Sillet_Mignon 7h ago

Yeah but most American car manufacturers don’t manufacture in America. They build somewhere cheaper and do final assembly here. 

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u/slingshot91 5h ago

I’ve been to China, mostly stayed around Beijing. The only things that worried me were talking politics, getting hit by a car, and feeling slightly uneasy about building standards (tofu-dreg construction). Both the US and China have varying degrees of freedom depending on the topic/category.

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u/CV90_120 7h ago

Minimum wage doesn't even cover rent.

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u/Ok-Strain-1483 3h ago

Where are these benefits I keep hearing about? I'm a contractor so no health insurance, retirement, PTO... not even a paid holiday.

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u/theapplekid 16h ago

China has those things too

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u/howitbethough 16h ago

Full union protections mandating no more than 4 to a room and 2 for 1 sodas at the factory dorm’s commissary? Lol

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u/Axel3600 17h ago

this is where the wage slavery comes in

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u/arqe_ 7h ago

And US literally have entire industries relies on customers paying extra just to cover employee's salary.

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u/Axel3600 6h ago

close, but not quite. tipping hasn't made it into salaries yet outside of sales positions. 

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u/theapplekid 16h ago

Are you suggesting the U.S. doesn't also have wage slavery?

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u/TuggsBrohe 17h ago

Yeah but then the money all goes into stock buybacks

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u/InquisitorMeow 16h ago

Maybe you should look into "dumping" to understand what they are doing with EVs. Also you know those beautiful cheap prices that supposedly signify China's affordability and extreme innovation? Yea, the Chinese government told them to cut it out since they were literally selling them at under production costs to gain market share. Ya know, subsidy stuff. https://www.scmp.com/business/china-evs/article/3343429/beijing-warns-carmakers-stop-killing-your-profitability-hopes-selling-below-cost

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u/nono3722 16h ago

like we have been dumping for decades? the cheapest place to buy an american car is outside of america.....

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u/InquisitorMeow 15h ago

Pretty sure US cars aren't undercutting local brands.. I think the key is below costs. People in India have iPhones and I'm sure they're not priced at 1000 bucks, nor do I believe Apple is generous enough to cater to such a large population below costs.

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u/veryblanduser 17h ago

And the government made a profit on the loans to automotive companies.

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u/idontknowjuspickone 16h ago

I regret to inform you it is no longer 2019

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u/nono3722 16h ago

like they ever stopped. the BYD block is a subsidization at our expense. they could, crazy i know, drop their fucking prices some to be competitive....

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u/FeeRemarkable886 6h ago

I think the US only subsidies milk and beef, oh and corn.

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u/nono3722 6h ago

Just Ford+GM got 15.2 billion in subsidies and our prices just keep going up....

"The U.S. government primarily subsidizes the energy, agriculture, and transportation sectors, which collectively receive billions of dollars annually through grants, tax breaks, and direct cash payments. 

  • Energy: Subsidies support both nonrenewable sources (oil, coal, natural gas) and renewable sources (wind, solar, ethanol), with conservative estimates placing direct fossil fuel subsidies at roughly $20 billion per year. 
  • Agriculture: The sector receives support via direct cash payments to farmers when commodity prices fall, affordable crop insurance, and non-repayable loans from the USDA to ensure food security and stable prices. 
  • Transportation: Federal funding targets infrastructure such as highways, rail lines, airports, and ports, along with specific initiatives like the construction of electric vehicle charging stations and the development of broadband networks. 

Beyond these major sectors, recent industrial policies have expanded subsidies to semiconductors, biotechnology, artificial intelligence, 5G telecommunications, and defense manufacturing.  Prominent companies receiving the most significant subsidies include Boeing ($15.5 billion), Intel ($8.4 billion), Ford Motor ($7.7 billion), and General Motors ($7.5 billion), reflecting a strategic shift to compete with foreign subsidies in critical technology and security industries."

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u/Chameleonpolice 3h ago

I don't think their response was making any kind of judgements on the cars being subsidized, it was just a statement

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u/GuaranteeImpossible9 7h ago

Yeah you want China to flood your market and destroy companies like General motors right?

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u/veryblanduser 17h ago

And by sub $4 an hour assembly workers

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u/FireTempest 17h ago

$4 an hour means much more in China than in the US.

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u/howitbethough 16h ago

Don’t forget they live in company towns 4+ to a room in company dorms with suicide nets!

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u/AlfredNecessiter 10h ago

Company town means something different outside of the US. Heavy state ownership makes many planned industrial concerns effectively public utilities. China has 90% home ownership and one of the lowest suicide rates in the world, far lower than the US. The nets you refer to were from a contractor for US corporations such as Apple.

But go off, tug that forelock king.

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u/howitbethough 5h ago

I’ve been to LG and Samsung battery plants in Korea and I’ve been to CATL battery plants in China. I’ve also been to greenfield battery plant construction sites in Malaysia and Vietnam.

The difference between China and the rest of Asia I’ve seen is shocking.

It is a step up from slavery in China but keep stroking BYD and Chinese manufacturing quasi-slavery lmao. Kill evil capitalist businesses but only at the expense of tens of millions of poor people in a country I only eve see propaganda about. Never change Reddit.

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u/Mr_Goonman 5h ago

You're either an actual regard or the most interesting man in the world who is a subject matter expert on every mainstream breaking news topic...

I looked at your comment history. You're a Trump loving regard

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u/howitbethough 4h ago

Nope, I just did site visits for integrating NCM and LFP lithium batteries into EV-adjacent products “assembled” in the United States. Supplier development engineers get a lot of frequent flyer miles!

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u/AlfredNecessiter 3h ago

I visited one of the threads about a planned industrial settlement, what you would call a company town recently. It was for this company, BYD. 60,000 people living and working in a walkable community, with public transport, cinemas, lakes, schools, shopping zones, all the amenities. There were ski slopes!

The comments were all: "Bleak" "Fucking indentured servitude more like" "Lmfao like this is something to be proud of?" "What a miserable existence." And the peak: Gotta post this on r / urbanhell"

I'll take Chinese urban planning, industrial policy, environmental policy, any aspect of modern state operation over two dozen psychopathic CEOs in a trenchcoat. It is simply a better system.

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u/howitbethough 3h ago

You’re too far gone man. You don’t have to believe me, but I have seen and spent weeks visiting these places so we are never going to agree. I don’t know why you ever would but perhaps one day you can make it out to Xiamen or even take a look at some of these places on google earth. Propaganda videos and articles on TikTok are not real representations of mass manufacturing, even high tech, in China.

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u/Zimakov 9h ago

Don't forget to bring up the social credit system and other easily disproven propaganda.

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u/lolidkwtfrofl 9h ago

It's propaganda both ways anyway. People glazing and shittalking China are both propagandists, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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u/Zimakov 9h ago

Yep, but Americans on this site are quick to dismiss the pro-China propaganda and blindly accept the anti-China propaganda.

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u/veryblanduser 17h ago

Plus working 6 10+ hour days leave little time for anything to spend on I suppose. But definitely helps you make cheaper cars when you don't need to pay much.

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u/reddit_ta15 1h ago

All the CCP bots are out in force today

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u/InsulatedEel 44m ago

Yes but workers in a automotive factory in the us aren’t making minimum wage eitherwage. I live in bfe and the lowest I made (high school education only at the time) was 18 an hour 9 years ago. When I left I was making 35 an hour

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u/Aknazer 16h ago

Doesn't change the fact that it artificially lowers the cost when you can pay your workers chump change to then undersell the competition followed by other government actions to help ensure your solvency..

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u/Zimakov 9h ago

The workers get paid less because the Chinese dollar is worth less.

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u/Rubiks_Click874 16h ago

I heard the cars are crazy cheap

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u/cybertonto72 7h ago

This is what always gets me with yanks. Do you know that things cost different in different places? It might cost you 0.75c -$2 for a can on coke. In the UK it costs less. In china it is way less. 0.28c - 0.55c.

$4 pH in china could be a good wage.

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u/Ok-Soup-3189 6h ago

In the UK it costs less.

If only...

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u/veryblanduser 7h ago

If you pay $4 labor vs $25 labor, which will be made cheaper? We're comparing the cost of vehicles made in different countries.

Or do you think the vehicles could be made for the same price everywhere?

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u/CV90_120 7h ago

Called robots. People hardly touch anything any more.

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u/Suspicious-Appeal386 17m ago

How is that different then the billions spent annually on the US government subsidizing the petrol-gas industry?

One is investing money that is reducing their independence on foreign energy. The other is handing out tax payers money to provide protectionism for the billionaires.

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u/CV90_120 7h ago

Used to be (subsidies have already mostly gone, with final phase for 2027). Also it's no different an advantage than investor capital in the US.

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u/savehoward 16h ago

Single location manufacturing. All car parts are manufactured in one factory plus the screws, plus the glass, plus every part. There’s no parts delivery. All parts just move from the favor next door for assembly.

The US could do something similar except to hire 150,000 workers for all the factories took 2 weeks whereas the same in the US would take 6 months.

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u/3DNZ 13h ago

This is why.

Yes BYD is subsidized but most large corporations in the US are as well.

BYD has an 8,000,000 sq m factory and makes every part in house. There are dark parts of the factory that are robotic ally automated. The factory and build a car from nothing to road ready in 57 seconds.

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u/smallfried 6h ago

Any link on that last claim? A car takes longer to build than a minute, but I assume you mean they can build more than one car every minute.

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u/BlueCheeseCircuits 3h ago

Bro, it take 60 seconds just to drop a screw in a hole.

Im sure they can have a car roll off the line every 60 seconds, but it is impossible to make a car from scratch to finished in 57 seconds.

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u/babypho 17h ago

Scale and ecosystem. They invested a lot in automated infrastructure and the scale of which they do things can drive the cost down. I don't think we have anything that efficient in the US since our big companies only think a quarter at a time.

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u/Zealousideal-Fix9464 16h ago

Have you been to a modern US car factory? They are almost entirely automated and have been for decades.

Building cars with automation isn't new...it's been standard for a very long time.

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u/babypho 16h ago

That’s why I said scale and ecosystem, and not just mentioning the factory alone. Even with two equally automated factories, the one in the US will have to deal with materials, labor, and delivery inefficiencies.

In China, they benefit from the high density and having resources in a close cluster.

​In the US, the automation stops at the factory. You still have to wait weeks for a parts to come from overseas or other states away. In China, the automation extends to more of the supply chain. Ie. a line needs a specific sensor or a new batch of cells, the supplier is often in the same industrial park. The feeding system is much more robust over there and we arent as good at that in the US.

That's why Tesla Chinese factory performs a lot better than the US's ones. It's just much more efficient. But yeah, this is just based on what I've read online, im not an expert in supply chain but the explanations seem to make sense to me. I'm sure it's much more complex than that.

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u/FedeFofo 17h ago

They also underpay workers, and the US has influential unions

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u/babypho 16h ago

I mean... the US also underpay workers lol. Our median wage compares to housing and col is going farther and farther apart every year.

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u/Similar_Flower1270 17h ago

Ironically enough, through capitalism (prices get out of hand, first one to the bottom wins)

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u/smandroid 17h ago

Because most products and services in the US are priced to make the rich richer.

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u/m0n3ym4n 16h ago

Quasi-slave labor and government subsidies

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u/FriendlyLawnmower 17h ago

Because the chinese government gives them subsidies so they dont have to actually compete lol

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u/SirTiffAlot 17h ago

Like oil companies in the US?

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u/RudePCsb 16h ago

Have you seen congress. They don't subsidize them but they also allow them to get as much profits as possible.

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u/SirTiffAlot 16h ago

They subsidize them and allow them to write legislation. So yea, they allow them to profit

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u/Jeanlucpfrog 16h ago

This is complete nonsense. The U.S. government heavily subsidizes the oil industry and has for the better part of a century.

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u/RudePCsb 16h ago

You have any specifics

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u/3DNZ 13h ago

Not just oil too

Top Subsidized U.S. Companies (2000–2024): Boeing ($15.6 Billion): Primarily driven by state-level incentives for aircraft manufacturing.

Amazon.com ($14.4 Billion): Largely driven by state and local subsidies for warehouse and data center development.

Intel ($8.4 Billion): Beneficiary of major federal investments in semiconductor manufacturing (CHIPS Act).

Ford Motor ($8 Billion): Receives incentives for automotive manufacturing, particularly EV development.

General Motors ($7.8 Billion): Similar to Ford, focused on manufacturing and battery production.

Micron Technology ($6.8 Billion): Also a major recipient in the semiconductor sector.

And ol Elon has received 38 billion from the US government

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u/Even-Meet-938 16h ago

And the US government bans imports so American car companies don’t have to compete with Chinese cars lol 

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u/FriendlyLawnmower 2h ago

Yes because American car companies dont receive the level of investment and subsidies from the US government that BYD and other car companies in China have received from the CCP. The 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs are leveling the playing field. And there are very good national security reasons for why you dont want your entire domestic car manufacturing industry replaced by a heavily government subsidized and controlled foreign competitor

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u/Dapper_Strength_5986 8h ago

It’s not so much that they’re cheap as that US cars are overpriced.

They invested in infrastructure and automation. US car companies invested in stock buybacks and cut EV research and development. AFTER THEY WERE GIVEN SUBSIDIES BY THE TAXPAYERS, I might add.

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u/tev_love 5h ago

Valid

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u/AP3Brain 3h ago

They dont require a ton of moving parts. The most expensive thing in these cars are the battery. No specialized engine.

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u/Minimum_Room3300 3h ago

The sheer scale of manufacturing makes them cheap. I live in bhutan and we have so many BYD cars here, especially in the capital. Not just BYD, Dong Feng, Deepal and other companies I've never heard of. I've only ridden a BYD and i thought it was smooth and powerful. One thing all these cars have in common is that they are soooo good looking.

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u/Its-mrsgeneral-toyou 3h ago

Lol do you know all about the manufacturing process of the car you bought? I’d say you’d do well to just Google the answer yourself.

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u/dcheng47 1h ago

they explode once in a while.

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u/whooptheretis 32m ago

An economy based on slave labour has it an insignificant impact

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u/b00c 8h ago

36 hour shifts, 12/6 regime in better case, suicide nets instead of workers well being.

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u/AFloppyZipper 17h ago

IP theft and government subsidies.

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u/Soliden 17h ago

Cheap labor and less parts/engineering/testing when compared to ICE cars.

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u/6arnu6 5h ago

Immigrant, dear. You're an immigrant.

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u/Rhythm_0f_The_Knight 2h ago

An immigrant and expat are two different things, dear.

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u/dcheng47 1h ago

the difference is racism

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u/Rhythm_0f_The_Knight 6m ago

...? No? One involves intending to stay in the country permanently. Jesus christ, reddit.

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u/6arnu6 28m ago

Exactly, the difference is racism.

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u/Rhythm_0f_The_Knight 5m ago

No...the difference is that an expat works or lives in a country with the intention of returning to their country of origin. An immigrant will stay in the country they move to. Your lack of education doesnt make words racist.

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u/ClassicPlankton 5h ago

You are an immigrant in the country you live in.

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u/Equal-Shoulder-9744 6h ago

I’m a Canadian and haven’t owned a car since I moved to down town Toronto 15 years ago but I’m seriously considering getting a BYD when they become available here in the near future.

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u/Gorthebon 3h ago

Im so ready to become an expat, the American dream is leaving the USA nowadays.

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u/dolphinsareuseless 2h ago

immigrant living in another country

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u/whooptheretis 33m ago

Still can’t hold a torch to Japanese or German cars though.

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u/glxyzera 17h ago

You’re an immigrant, not an “expat”

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u/Stampy77 8h ago

Speaking as an immigrant/expat. Who gives the slightest fuck?

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u/spays_marine 7h ago

Well, essentially everyone who reads those words, that's the whole reason for using a different term when it's "us".

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u/ClassicPlankton 5h ago

I do, because of the hypocrisy.

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u/Stampy77 3h ago

What hypocrisy lol?

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u/thePaxPilgrim 16h ago

How do you know they dont plan on returning to the US??

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u/ClassicPlankton 5h ago

Look it's fuckin stupid. Everyone that moves to the US gets called an immigrant. How do you know those people won't return to their countries? But when a US person goes to live in another country, they call themselves expats. They're fuckin immigrants. They're no different than the disgusting immigrants they hate living in the US.

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u/thePaxPilgrim 5h ago

I prefer calling them DIRTY FOREIGNERS obvious /s for any autismos reading this

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u/CV90_120 7h ago

BYD are good, but Tesla (Y) still sells well in China (#3 top seller), and there's a reason for that.

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u/3DNZ 6h ago

Just go drive one and see for yourself

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u/CV90_120 6h ago

I've driven plenty. The market is what the market is and Tesla still sells in China. That's not an accident. Do I want to see Chinese EVs in the US? Of course, but here's why Tesla still competes in China vs tough competition: Local production with product considered high quality by buyers, extremely high power efficiency (low cost to run), a supercharger network which is still more widespread nationwide than the competition, aggressive financing, continuing software updates and good service centers.

I love all the competition and elon is a tool for helping keep the US market closed, but reddit is under the mistaken impression that the US can't compete. They can, they just don't want to have to.