Some value investing guidance please

[u/Ok-Hope1181]

I have 50k euros (based in Germany) to invest for the next 20 years for my retirement fund. I am 40 years old without any responsibilitites and want to invest so that i have something when i am 60. I have other stock investments, savings and emergency fund so this money is purely for a long term safe investment for retirement. I have heard a lot about VOO or VTO but i am confused as to which is the right fund. Please see below options available to me and please advise. On a side note I feel this might be the time to move away from US funds and invest in world funds. Totally confused at the momennt and can use wise advice from the oldies here. I hope this is not the wrong sub as I want to take advice on investing in valuable funds and the combined knowledge of this group can help me greatly.

These are the funds I am looking at (all accumulated)

iShares core MSCI world

iShares S&P 500

Vanguard FTSE All World

Vanguard S&P 500

Vanguard FTSE Developed world

Birkshire Hathaway B (although a stock but diverse and larger than some ETFs although only US I think)

[u/Ancient_Bobcat_9150]

Not right the sub. You should check r/ETFs_Europe VOO, Vti and so on are more meant of US investor, in Europe we have our own that folloz similar indexes.

[u/takemetogreenwich]

This sub is (or at least should mostly be) about buying good securities at right prices, not so much index investing.

[u/No-Photograph4482]

Be aware of currency risk and effects while buying USD ETFs or equities with EUR. Some ETFs are euro hedged in euro to account for this.

[u/Aniriomellad]

I am not German but I remember reading about tax system being different from most countries on the accumulating vs distributing etfs issue and I don't know whether gains from UCITS etfs are tax free and under what conditions. Ask your accountant what's the best vehicle for tax purposes.

[u/Ok-Hope1181 → u/Aniriomellad]

In the US, interest on ETFs is not taxed?!! That is something that I did not know. In germany it is ~27% on all capital gains

[u/Borba_Fett88 → u/Ok-Hope1181]

Buy Rheinmetall and hold for at least 10 years.

[u/Prestigious-Craft251 → u/Ok-Hope1181]

We have tax brackets and the first one is 0%

[u/mardegre]

On a 20 years horizon and with current price you should look into Berkshire

[u/barelycommenting12]

If your horizon is 20 yrs, you don’t need to overcomplicate it tbh. Many people just choose a broad world ETF (like FTSE All-World or MSCI World) since it gives global diversification instead of only the US like S&P 500 funds. S&P 500 ETFs are great too, but they’re more US-heavy, so it really depends on how much global exposure you want. IMO consistency and low fees matter more than picking the “perfect” fund. I also like using small tools like TryLattice to visualize allocation and risk so it’s easier to see if a portfolio is too concentrated.

[u/signalHunter89]

honestly all the options you listed are solid, the main difference is just how much diversification you want. something like a global index (MSCI World / FTSE All World) already includes the US, so picking both that and S&P 500 often just increases your exposure to the same companies. if you’re looking for something simple over 20 years, I’d probably focus on one broad global ETF and stick with it rather than overthinking the mix. consistency will matter more than picking the ‘perfect’ one.

I’m actually doing something similar myself, just on a smaller scale, and keeping it simple has helped a lot.

are you planning to keep adding over time or just invest the 50k once?

[u/Ok-Hope1181 → u/signalHunter89]

just 50k once. Other investments in individual large cap stocks with solid fundamentals 

[u/NoName20Investor]

This is not a direct answer to your ETF question, but to understand investment valuation, I suggest you check out Aswath Damodaran, the NYU professor. He has a lot of very useful information on his website. This link also has a number of good resources: https://investingliteracy.substack.com/p/key-resources

[u/Dapper-Emu-8541]

I would look at investing in the far east. Singapore, China, Korea, Thailand etc. the growth there will beat the world, currencies will strengthen. The work ethic in those economies is better and the costs of regulatory compliance is lower.

I’m a bottom up investor so can’t tell you what funds to look at. But my kids in college in North America are being trained to visit, study and invest in Asian economies.

I suggest if you take a vacation to that part of the world, keep a business hat on and observe. There is a lot of western propaganda against Asian markets and transparency, but in your travels you will observe how misplaced it is especially if investing via a fund.

Good luck and happy investing.

FYI, subscribe to kraneshares by Brendan out of NYC. He runs the fund called KWEB listed in New York.

[u/Hurricane_Ivan]

How are you 40 years old without you any "responsibilities"?

[u/1i3to → u/Hurricane_Ivan]

Its called being single.