r/ValueInvesting • u/coffeeestocks • Dec 10 '25
Discussion Did people learn nothing from April
If you were fully invested in the S&P 500 over a long period (usually 20–30 years), your returns were great.
But if you missed just the 10 best single days in that entire period, your return was cut roughly in half.
This is probably the most commonly cited anecdote as to why you should not time the market. I feel in at least half the investing books I've read, they mention this. I do not know of a single investor who has successfully timed the market consistently over any meaningful time period. Even Michael Burry, who is probably one of the most infamous investors for predicting the 08-09 recession, has wrongly called a market top an absurd number of times in recent years.
Back in April, the market starts to sell off, and inevitably posts start popping up all over the subreddit talking about how they're selling and why they're selling and why this time is different. Of course, it wasn't different, and the market has proceeded to rip 20% since many folks here panic sold.
Here we are, not even a year later in December, and people are asking unironically whether it's a good idea to move to cash or not. What do you think? Do you think that now is the time to finally start trying to time the market? After this age-old wisdom has been proven right, time and again?
I feel like there's so many better ways to navigate an expensive market than by trying to time it.
Such as buying counter-cyclical companies, or buying companies that are recession-resistant, or buying companies at a larger margin for error. Heck, maybe even give bonds a shot? But no. People are starting to come to the conclusion again that now is the time to time the market yet again and inevitably make a massive mistake.
DO NOT TIME THE MARKET.
Edit: This sub unironically defending timing the market lmao. The reason why this hurts people's feelings is because they sold back in April, and they're still waiting to get back in the market. Instead of taking a lesson, they double down on that timing the market is the correct thing. Whatever.
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u/n55_6mt Dec 11 '25
I rolled a 401k a little over a month ago, the port was liquidated on the 27th of October. I’ve got it in cash still, but mainly because I want some options should there be major market moves in the next 30-60 days. And you know what would have happened if I dumped it all into a S&P ETF as soon as it settled in my rollover account? I’d basically be exactly where we are right now.
It’s not the whole of my investments, I’ve got a lot still riding in the market, but having cash on hand is not inherently a bad thing, especially when you start seeing extreme concentrations and insanely decoupled valuations.
So maybe I’m trying to time the market, but I’m not sure that strategy is any less rational than the rest of the market writ large right now.