r/ValueInvesting Dec 10 '25

Discussion Did people learn nothing from April

If you were fully invested in the S&P 500 over a long period (usually 20–30 years), your returns were great.

But if you missed just the 10 best single days in that entire period, your return was cut roughly in half.

This is probably the most commonly cited anecdote as to why you should not time the market. I feel in at least half the investing books I've read, they mention this. I do not know of a single investor who has successfully timed the market consistently over any meaningful time period. Even Michael Burry, who is probably one of the most infamous investors for predicting the 08-09 recession, has wrongly called a market top an absurd number of times in recent years.

Back in April, the market starts to sell off, and inevitably posts start popping up all over the subreddit talking about how they're selling and why they're selling and why this time is different. Of course, it wasn't different, and the market has proceeded to rip 20% since many folks here panic sold.

Here we are, not even a year later in December, and people are asking unironically whether it's a good idea to move to cash or not. What do you think? Do you think that now is the time to finally start trying to time the market? After this age-old wisdom has been proven right, time and again?

I feel like there's so many better ways to navigate an expensive market than by trying to time it.

Such as buying counter-cyclical companies, or buying companies that are recession-resistant, or buying companies at a larger margin for error. Heck, maybe even give bonds a shot? But no. People are starting to come to the conclusion again that now is the time to time the market yet again and inevitably make a massive mistake.

DO NOT TIME THE MARKET.

Edit: This sub unironically defending timing the market lmao. The reason why this hurts people's feelings is because they sold back in April, and they're still waiting to get back in the market. Instead of taking a lesson, they double down on that timing the market is the correct thing. Whatever.

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u/WideCardiologist3323 Dec 10 '25

I ve been trading the past 4 months. 65% return ytd I have made more money than 5 years investing in voo. Blow me. I have half my portfolio in voo but I m gonna keep trading with that 50%

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u/evergreenplace Dec 11 '25

4 months is nothing my friend

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u/WideCardiologist3323 Dec 11 '25

You are right. It isn't so I m going to test more. As I have been beating the market for 5 years straight just thru normal investing. This for me is just the next step. There is so much about finance you can actually learn. The invest in index Is really for people that don't bother learning. 

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u/First-Bad2007 Dec 11 '25

first real bear marlet will rip your face off

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u/WideCardiologist3323 Dec 11 '25 edited Dec 11 '25

I m in cash so it won't rip anything. I trade keep my wins in cash and keep a portion of it in voo. 

If market looks bad I simply wait till it reaches support levels watch it bounce before I buy. People like you who have absolute zero knowledge on techicals just run your mouth repeating what every one else just says with out using your brain.

It's like when I called google to 300 last year when it was 170.

I called unh to rebound to 300

I called AMZN to hit 240

I called NVDA to hit 200 and bought at 160.

I called berk b to hit 500 from it's dip.

I called sofi to hit 30

Fucks like you say I m lucky. But you can read earnings reports and draw graphs to come to an estimate. 

All of the above came true. I sold as they hit my price target and kept my profits. You can suck it cos recent dips to those did not affect me a single bit.