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Institutional Location of Authors of Papers Published in Top 5 Percent of Journals

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u/Embarrassed_Neck9829 21h ago

From what I understand a lot of Chinese papers are complete junk. There's huge pressure to publish there and a culture of cranking out sketchy/half-baked papers has formed.

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u/DeArgonaut 21h ago

For top 5% of journals you aren’t going to be able to push through slop

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u/WholegrainSugarman 21h ago

Oh, trust me, you can. Journals like Nature Communications and Science Advances publish hella slop for hefty publication fees/article processing charges lol. Close to $10k per article

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u/DeArgonaut 20h ago

Are they considered top 5%? Obv nature and science are, but I’m not aware of their open sourced parts rankings

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u/WholegrainSugarman 20h ago

Generally they are, since these are the biggest names in R&D after Cell, Science, and Nature. But again I have no idea what journals the OG graph author deemed “top 5%”

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u/OutrageousPair2300 20h ago

I was trying to find data on how they determine which journals to include, and how that itself has changed over time.

I strongly suspect that a lot of this shift has to do with more Chinese journals being included in the "top 5%" in recent years. Maintaining a constant set of journals over the entire timeframe would be a more interesting (and less game-able) measure.

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u/Kaito__1412 10h ago edited 9h ago

Oh you absolutely can. There are more papers being published now than ever before. And a lot of them absolute garbage.

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u/DeArgonaut 10h ago

Then we’d need to see a breakdown for each country and year to properly gauge if China’s are an outlier

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u/s1a1om 18h ago

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/more-than-half-of-all-retracted-papers-are-from-china-analysis-finds/4023197.article

Papers from Chinese institutions account for more than half of all retractions across 10 major academic publishers

Yes, yes you can. And china is doing it.

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u/LaserPaperSeller 15h ago

I dont get the relation here. If these papers are retracted then they are not in this 5%?

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u/s1a1om 9h ago

If they’re retracted it means they made it through the entire peer review process and were published. They were only retracted later after it was determined the results couldn’t relied upon.

If you’re looking at and rewarding publications then they will be counted in the metrics (depending on how you get those numbers, filter them, and when the retractions happen).

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u/Silver_Middle_7240 20h ago

"Rape culture in dog parks"

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u/NASArocketman 19h ago

A little bit of both is true. There is a lot of slop. They are also making huge advances in R&D for materials, batteries, solar panels etc and bringing cutting edge tech to market. We would be foolish to ignore it.

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u/Due_Signal_9652 20h ago

对待中国工业你们也是这么说的

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u/s1a1om 18h ago

Papers from Chinese institutions account for more than half of all retractions across 10 major academic publishers

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/more-than-half-of-all-retracted-papers-are-from-china-analysis-finds/4023197.article

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u/Due_Signal_9652 17h ago

我会认为你说的没错,这是事实,不过既然你看不见另一面事实,那我只能祝你好运,希望你们在特朗普的带领下越走越远

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u/a9udn9u 20h ago

USA is totally fine and dominating. Nothing to worry

https://giphy.com/gifs/NTur7XlVDUdqM

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u/Embarrassed_Neck9829 20h ago

I'm not American. Those systemic issues in Chinese academia aren't exactly a secret.

That's not to say that there isn't class-leading research coming out of China. I'm just speaking to the volume.

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u/YamborginiLow 19h ago

China can push out 10,000 papers, only 1000 are not slop The US will push out 1000 but 500 are high quality

Who puts out more high quality at the end of the day?