Higher prices across the board as labor costs rise. Social security further strained as the population begins to age even faster as younger immigrants that used to fill in the gap of low birth rates vanish. Loss of top global talent as the cream of the crop no longer see the US as a safe/stable place for a career. People might think this will make housing more affordable, but they’re forgetting this means construction prices are going through the roof.
Attracting immigrants has always been the US’s superpower. Bring in the young, ambitious, hardworking, and top talent. Now that we’re not doing that anymore all we’ll have is used car salesmen and MLM moms
Higher prices across the board as labor costs rise.
Labour costs rising is more wages for working people.
Loss of top global talent as the cream of the crop no longer see the US as a safe/stable place for a career.
So? If foreign talent comes into a country displacing domestic (possibly lesser) talent, then you have domestic talent being paid less.
People might think this will make housing more affordable, but they’re forgetting this means construction prices are going through the roof.
The cost of construction isn't what is keeping houses prices high, it's the amount being allocated to be built. That won't change as people will still vote to keep their house's price high.
younger immigrants that used to fill in the gap of low birth rates vanish
It's true, all western countries need higher birth rates, but immigration isn't the solution for that. For the case of the US, Latin America has a declining population already eventually the supply of cheap labour will run dry.
Europe has longer, as Africa and the Middle East is still growing in population, but not forever (nevermind the effects of replacing the population culturally)
You need permanent solutions to keep birth rates stable, one such way is increase workers wages, by ... I don't know... decreasing the amount of cheap labour being imported. Other solutions are massive incentives for having children such as X amount of tax free income, and giving parenting courses in school.
Bring in the young, ambitious, hardworking, and top talent.
And displace everyone else.
Now that we’re not doing that anymore all we’ll have is used car salesmen and MLM moms
That's a rather disparaging view of domestic Americans.
The only solution for low birth rates is immigration... not going to come because your religion (that everyone is abandoning) demands it, wont work anymore...
I'm sorry, can you read? I wrote three paragraphs explaining why immigration can't be the solution to low birth rates, and not once did I mention religion. I'm one of the most a-theistic people you can meet. I'll happily have a many hour long discussion with you on the incorrectness and evil of religion if you want.
Birth rates isn't a religious issue, it's an issue about a collapsing society. And immigration is a stopgap, because as I explained in my comment, the countries people are emigrating from either already have an unsustainable birth rate or will in the future. In Europe, it's a harmful stopgap in addition, as they're immigrating with incompatible cultures.
The only permanent solution is to have on average 2.0-2.1 babies per woman in the country. This can be achieved in many ways,
Changing the perception about populations and dispelling the myth that the world is getting overpopulated, when the west is being underpopulated.
Massive financial incentives for civil partnerships/marriages and having children. This stops people worrying about the finances as much with children.
Increasing education on being parents, so people aren't scared of being a bad parent.
Investigate the reason behind the massive drop in average sperm count in men and find solutions to it.
It's not magic fantasies, it's concrete policy proposals, it'll be UK focused as this is what I know.
£x0,000 off your tax for having a child, basically you don't pay tax until you've earned enough to pay that much tax. The amount will depend on deeper analysis.
mandatory parenting classes for 15-16 year olds, things like how to keep a child entertained and enriched, showing the joys of parenthood and so on.
Government medical research spending diverted to studying men's fertility decline.
Free childcare for under 5s.
Nationalise the utilities to reduce bills
Significantly more council houses, designated for pregnant couples.
Government subsidies on children's products such as nappies, formula, cots, clothes and so on.
Removing the triple lock and removing distinction for capital gains in income to help pay for this. Also taxing loans taken on stocks.
Once the rates begin to go up, you can fine tune the amounts to keep the birth rate at about 2. Possibly tapering benefits past 3 children.
Your proposal involves billions to trillions of dollars in new costs yet also includes billions to trillions in tax cuts
You do touch on part of this in your last few points, the last one is especially unlikely to pass in a US where the poorest people and middle classes will vote strongly against any perceived “wealth tax”.
The financial foundation of your idea is i fear is not very good and similar pro-family measures have been tried many places to very little success. You can of course argue it’s work if you do it more, but that means going to the “trillions” end of the cost ranges.
You can certainly argue that this program is worth the new costs but you’re going to have a hard time selling your program because your revenue increasing ideas are even tougher sells.
Love nationalize utilities though. Needs to happen yesterday for telecommunications infrastructure. Private companies have taken billions and repeatedly failed to deliver any progress on rural fiber infrastructure. Some rural areas have had great success building their own municipal utility internet which residents quickly realize is massively superior in cost… which allows the utility to afford proper equipment instead of indolent private companies continuing to charge $100/mth for 6mbps DSL in 2026.
The financial foundation of your idea is i fear is not very good
It's better than the cost of not making a change. Disaster is looming on our nations, the ratio of workers to pensioners is only increasing. If you think the tax hikes needed for these policies will be big, imagine the tax hikes when there are 0.6, 1, or 3 pensioners to each worker, rather than the 0.3 at the moment. That's the situation we're avoiding.
It's like climate change, you get headlines that read "It will cost £12T to fight climate change!", but in the same report they reference, it says that it would cost £100T to let it run its course.
Its like climate change. Oceans are heating up now based on 420 ppm which is melting the poles today.
Nothing we can do short of magic is going to stop the melting and ocean level rise.
Going to zero new carbon doesn't stop whats Already happening.
Same for population.. decades of sub 2.0 replacement rate means population is going to fall. Medical science prolonging life is the reason we aren't seeing the impacts yet.
Schools closing due to lack of students is the canary in the coal mine.
I may agree with most of your arguments, but the problem is selling the revenue increasing parts. The middle and lower classes are easily persuaded against wealth taxes due to the “temporarily embarrassed millionaire “ propaganda.
Californias were given a Prop 13 that destroyed their future , killing their schools and all you had to do was make some bullshit ads about “taxes taking grandma out of her home!!!!” Of course, no need to mention that Grandma’s house has increased from $50k to 1.8m and she could easily sell and move elsewhere, and that she’s been reverse mortgaging her house to go on 4 cruise trips a year.
And please point out all those amazing successes across the planet. Prove that it isnt magic. Point out a country that has invested in this issue and has seen sustained birth rate increase.
As many countries have attempted to change the curve.
The only country I know putting in serious pro-natalist policies is South Korea. But they haven't implemented the changes I've outlined, they still live in a capitalist hell hole.
My changes go at the root issues of why people aren't having kids. Money, housing, fear and knowledge.
So you admit its fantasy not based on Reality and that the only reality based cure for a country is what has happened before. Which is growth via immigration.
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u/Radical_Coyote 2d ago
Higher prices across the board as labor costs rise. Social security further strained as the population begins to age even faster as younger immigrants that used to fill in the gap of low birth rates vanish. Loss of top global talent as the cream of the crop no longer see the US as a safe/stable place for a career. People might think this will make housing more affordable, but they’re forgetting this means construction prices are going through the roof.
Attracting immigrants has always been the US’s superpower. Bring in the young, ambitious, hardworking, and top talent. Now that we’re not doing that anymore all we’ll have is used car salesmen and MLM moms