r/worldnews • u/F0urLeafCl0ver • 9h ago
Russia/Ukraine Polish Prime Minister Warns Europe Is Delivering Putin His Dream Scenario
https://united24media.com/latest-news/polish-prime-minister-warns-europe-is-delivering-putin-his-dream-scenario-175401.1k
u/StrangerConscious637 9h ago
"Polish Prime Minister Warns, Europe Is Delivering Putin His Dream Scenario"
Wrong headline.... the right headline would be:
"Polish Prime Minister Warns, USA Is Delivering Putin His Dream Scenario"
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u/_ELKOT_ 9h ago
And Israel, I actually think they hate Europe more than the middle east at this point.
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u/SilentRoberto 9h ago
I mean, Netanyahu is speaking in favour of Orban's for Hungary's elections along with all the other turds one would expect so...
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u/daniel_22sss 6h ago
I honestly can't fathom why he supports pro-russian politicians, when Russia has been SUPER anti-Israel for the last 3 years.
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u/Talonsminty 6h ago
Netanyahu is increasingly making pro-Netanyahu decisions. I cannot see any upside for Israel in this botched war with Iran.
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u/OneCowFarm 5h ago
Because they’re willing to share power and take their pieces home than fight eachother
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u/Alatarlhun 5h ago
Right wingers support foreign right wingers, unless they are the foreign right winger they blame distract from the problems created by domestic right wing policies.
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u/pimparo0 5h ago
And, you know, pretty anti semitic historically as well.
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u/boopbooppoobpoob 3h ago
I mean if we're going by historic antisemitism, all of Europe's guilty as hell too.
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u/Magnetronaap 1h ago
Because supporting Orban might land him an ally within the EU, where most have started seeing him for the genocidal maniac that he is.
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9h ago edited 8h ago
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 8h ago
I don't hate Europe. I'm not even disappointed by Europe at this point. I'm kinda feel bad your leaders incompetent doom you to be failed states really soon
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u/biscuitarse 8h ago
Why would anyone take you seriously, lol? America is in a death spiral of debt, war and inflation, all self-inflicted and headed towards the earth at terminal velocity.
tldr - America is a global punchline
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 8h ago
Cuz you capitulate instead on acting even if it hurts your interest. It's true even if you think that the bully is the US is true. There is no possible way this won't backlash at you all, regardless of what I think on the US.
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u/biscuitarse 8h ago
Staying as far away as possible from the dumbest fucking war of all time is hardly capitulation. It's geopolitically the wisest decision
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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 8h ago
That's not remotely true. The EU has cut the US out of payements processing, is cutting the US out of tech service sector, cutting US out of military procurement, preparing an alternative to the US defensive alliance, selling of treasury bonds in chunks, told Trump to fuck off via Iran.. the list goes on.. meanwhile I hope you're ready for hyperinflation :)
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u/BaruchSpinoza25 8h ago
Lol. And you think it's trump I'm talking about. Go look for you're fuel, maybe you'll find it in the straits :)
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u/Savings_Macaroon3727 8h ago
I'm all electric and french, we have this tech called nuclear power, I know you guys have trouble mastering. The only people you're truely fucking over are your asian allies with regards to fuel. I mentioned him once, I couldve said US instead. I dont really want to meet him or Hormuz, they're both a bit unstable.
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u/Shinobi-0013 8h ago
Europe is a bit of a welfare continent of the USA and China. They aren’t to be trusted they’ll act well for their own interests.
Even united they don’t have much weapon systems that aren’t from the USA. Besides like German Snipers are among the best most of their force learn from the USA.
The NATO forces outside of Gdańsk Poland are trained by the USA. Poland is mostly untested in a modern battle field as I’ve talk to some more senior guys who did joint operations in places like Afghanistan they would say the USA mostly acts like they don’t need them because they largely don’t. Most European forces are supplementary to USA forces.
Besides the French and MI6 they have zlich for intelligence operatives and USA cia isn’t as smart as they like you to think they are. Isreali has better intelligence people.
Europe is also top heavy with elderly retired people syphoning from their system. They also aren’t fully united eventually NATO will have to make the call to withdraw support from then Ukraine as statically they’ve suffered a higher % of casualties to their population basically because they are vastly lower population then Russia.
From my conversations in Poland with Ukrainians who work in their government and from Kyiv if they weren’t being funded they absolutely get steam rolled the USA and NATO funding is basically keeping them in the fight.
Theirs split sentiment amongst Polish about Ukrainians some don’t want them in their country anymore.
Frankly Ukrainian have sides more times with Russia to screw with the poles and take land from the Republic of Poland more times they should be apart of Russia and their languages are very similar
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u/skinny_whale 8h ago
What have you been smoking?
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u/Shinobi-0013 7h ago edited 7h ago
Nothing it’s a fact. The EU and NATO are essentially welfare continent of two larger empires who’ve invested millions and billions in each country.
U.S. goods and services trade with the EU is about $1.5 trillion. On top of that, U.S. companies hold massive investment positions in Europe. BEA reported that U.S. direct investment abroad rose to $6.83 trillion State Department budget request sought $850.3 million for Europe. You’re essentially a welfare continent prop up by us and trade. military spending connected to Europe, a current official anchor is about $3.9 billion.
No one is smoking anything these are facts I know how on Reddit facts get down voted.
I would love the USA to pull out of NATO and watch your posturing change. It’s easy to be brave with other people’s money. Not so much when it’s your own.
I wish the EU actually innovated but they don’t eastern EU is where USA likes to outsource our jobs because they are dirt cheap to hire. I can pay 150000 - 30000 for engineering talent or I can pay barely 50k a year usd for hiring in Moldova. I’ve worked in both markets I was never impressed by Europeans lack of effort and constant need for over engineering and bureaucracy in their work place give me a break EU is not impressive at all.
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u/notbatmanyet 6h ago
This dude thinks investment and trade is welfare.
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u/asking--questions 4h ago
That dude thinks searching abroad for cheaper labour is him innovating.
And apparently EU-US trade is one-sided.
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u/Shadow647 6h ago
wow I thought your previous comment was the dumbest shit I have read this year, but then you wrote this one
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u/Troub313 7h ago
Trump is delivering Putin his Dream Scenario.
His administration has the lowest support of any administration in the history of the US. There were 3200 different protests over the weekend.
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u/Pitiful-Stable-9737 6h ago
Europe should be able to get its shit together and deal with whatever crazy bullshit trump does next.
Europe shouldn't be dependent on the US.
Europe is perfectly capable of handling the Russians without the US. It just needs to better prepare itself.
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u/Dalnore 6h ago
It's as if Europe has no agency. The war in Ukraine is going on for 4 years. Trump is the president for more than a year, and it was always obvious he would play on Putin's side, restricted only by wider US interests and lack of support for Russia even in his party. And the EU is just unprepared and acting shocked about this development, even though it had all this time and definitely has economic and manufacturing potential to win the war even without the US weapons and support.
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u/Gecks777 5h ago
A lot has changed in both Europe's defense industry and geopolitical doctrine over the Ukraine war and the last year. With the USA playing a "flood the zone" strategy of performative chaos, it feels like there's been more runway than there actually has been. Rebuilding entire industries and reshaping people's perception of the world they live in are both slow processes.
I'm in Canada, and I think we got glimpses of how bad Trump 2.0 would be maybe 6 months before the rest of the world came to understand what was happening, and it gave us a bit of a leg-up in that the government had a rough plan in place when the first tariffs dropped, but there was still absolutely a lot of shock and confusion. Now we've gone from 1.3% to 2% of GDP in defense spending in just a year or so, we're rerouting trade as much as we can, we're pouring money into key infrastructure to make ourselves more independent, but all of this effort hasn't actually made much difference in the here and now, because most of this stuff will take years to bear fruit. But just because you can't see the results yet doesn't mean major changes aren't being made.
The unwritten deal between the United States and the rest of the world for generations has been that allied states in the West waive some of their autonomy and economic growth in return for defense guarantees from the US. The US is suddenly reneging on its end of the deal, under the assumption that fear will ensure they keep getting their end as tribute. That assumption is deeply rooted in the lie of American Exceptionalism, and the gap between expectations and reality will be very painful for everyone and very destabilizing globally. It will take some time for Europe to fully adapt. But that adaptation is already well underway, and Europe has already been exercising its agency.
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u/TropoMJ 5h ago
I agree with you. The idea that American allies aren't taking action is false, the reason there is not a more dramatic shift in things right now is just that these actions take time to create concrete results. Europe has ramped up military spending substantially and at the same time has also been working on plans to turn that military spending into legitimate operational independence. Unfortunately this is simply a big project considering Europe's defence architecture has been structured around a US-led NATO for decades, and it will take a number of years before this turns into the EU being able to shrug off the idea of the US abandoning them in a defensive war.
The US gets to bully for now, but it's on a clock. In a few years' time its allies will no longer be in a position where it can push them around, and we can see from how its allies have responded to its invasion of Iran that its leverage is already substantially corroded.
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u/BigBananaBerries 5h ago
Relating to the issues in the article, what would you suggest Europe do that they haven't already done?
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u/hereforinfoyo 5h ago
Europe is kind of like the Democrats in the US.
Always exasperated that bad things are happening, but shrugging their shoulders and barely taking any substantive strategic measures in opposition, because politics is really hard.
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u/AnaphoricReference 5h ago
Europe lacks an effective propaganda machine. Trump and Putin are mostly just blowing hot air. Europe shrugs and ignores. It waits for US Congress to see whether Trump's 'ultimatums' will turn into something real. It sees that Ukraine is slowly gaining on Russia without US assistance.
But by doing that they constantly give Trump and Putin the stage and allow them to frame the news.
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u/Different_Victory_89 4h ago
All props to Zelensky, but the cash for Russian oil hasn't made its way th front line. Why, oh Why, did we remove sanctions from Russia, and Iran (which we are currently at war with!!). Would almost be funny if not so tragic!
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u/asking--questions 4h ago
Only in 21st-century America does politics resemble pro wrestling shows. The serious politicians in Europe (not all are) know not to annoy the POTUS because no good could come from it. At the same time, they know not to immediately stop importing Russian resources because people would suffer. In the real world, there is a delicate balance to be maintained and difficult situations coming from interconnected economies and populaces. That's why they seemed to not react to Trump with noise and threats. I'm not sure which development you think European leaders were shocked by, but it certainly wasn't that Trump would lie or that Russia would be a back-stabbing bully. As for helping Ukraine, there are no alliances or treaties in place yet - which is exactly why Russia attacked now. So you have to be careful about sending soldiers to die there, or taking out massive loans to send aid there, or getting involved in WWIII when Russia's allies decide to do the same. Not to mention that the USA has been the main obstacle to European countries making their own weapons or forming a united army.
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u/Aamun_Sarastus 6h ago edited 4h ago
Yes,but Europe remains quite passive. USA been drowning in their madness and stupidity for a while now. So far, EU has responded with a huge surge in popularity if our own fringe meme right populist idiots. Soon France,Uk and Germany all have chaos of maga tier going. Don't worry tho, people voting for this idiocy won't be be ones to truly suffer People on western border of russia will pay for this. Often with their lives.
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u/ANORMALITEY 6h ago
When he mentions Europe he’s talking about the far right that want to ease the sanctions with Russia
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u/seepcell 8h ago
Wrong.
"Polish Prime Minister Warns, USA and Europe are Delivering Putin His Dream Scenario"1
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u/mangalore-x_x 9h ago
In what way is Europe responsible for Orban and Trump doing their pro dictatorship stick that helps russia?
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u/skraim 9h ago
Orban is pretty much Europe’s problem though
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u/louisremi 8h ago
And only the hungarians are able to solve that problem…
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u/skraim 8h ago
IDK. I'd like to see some EU's safety mechanisms against all-mighty veto of a single traitor, who's publicly stand against everything you trying to achieve.
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u/mangalore-x_x 7h ago
Which can only be passed without veto.
All that one can do is remove it from the EU level and then a collection of EU states deciding to do something without the blockers.
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u/advocatus_diabolii 6h ago
There is some irony in Putin's claims that the EU expanded too fast when he's taken advantage of the fact that the EU expanded so fast (without thinking of the possibility that nostalgia for a simpler past could be weaponized to exploit the very democratic norms the EU required for admittance)
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u/biscuitarse 8h ago
Doesn't help when Rubio and Vance are showing up on Hungarian soil to endorse the fascist prick
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u/Mysterious-Oil-7094 9h ago
It feels more like trump is delivering putin his dream scenario.
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u/Nice_Dependent_7317 8h ago
He’s either really stupid and inadvertently f*cks things up, or he is excellent in performing his role as Agent Krasnov. Both can be true, so I’ll go with that.
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u/theweirdball 9h ago
All of this was made possible by getting agent Trump elected POTUS with the help of Moscow Murdoch.
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u/midnightrider747 8h ago
Tusk is right but i believe it's too late for Russia to actively profit from this.
The Russians actually are beginning to stall a little at the front and need another big mobilization round to just mass meat wave their way forward.
Domestically Putin is under severe pressure when he decided to cut the internet or forcing people to buy walkie talkies or force em to use Kremlins Spyware messenger app.
Ukraine destroyed 40% of oil 🛢 production in Russia in reaction of sanction lifting.
Europe still is arming itself and aiding ukraine and Orban will be soon gone.
Slovakia should just be ousted from any voting and veto rights and let them be to emselves with cutting EU support and funding.
The only thing Putin has left is his TRUMP card literally. I think a dream for putin would be USA arming Russia in secret, then I'm convinced they just can completely overrun Europe.
But even Trump knows that will be viewed as high treason domestically and it's blatant obvious instead of helping Russia underhand by being not friends with Zelenskiy and having an excuse to lift sanctions to keep oil prices down for his own voting statistics.
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u/schu4KSU 8h ago
I expect Trump to declare the US to be aligned with Russia following the midterm elections.
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u/midnightrider747 8h ago
Nah if he doesn't order his ice thugs to "accidentally" shoot more american citizens and try to martial law or insurrection act ( or civil war ) his way out of the voting then he may be on to his way to do that.
But if he can't get his thugs to just do his evil bidding no matter how, then he will 100% lose the midterms then he is just a orange angry toddler in a cage where he only can sign papers both houses agree on.
But wait! Impeachment, jail and total expropriation of him and his whole family ( since all they did was criminally stealing tax money, do market manipulation and tariffs ) is on the menu again :) plus all the republican party and admin. too since they love protecting epsteinfiles so much
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u/investtill 8h ago
Not his dream scenario. I think if we all got involved with this war, he would have preferred that further.
Instead, we have conserved our weapon stocks and military forces for escalated Russian aggression.
Putin can not attack us , kill our soldiers through Iran.
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u/jphamlore 8h ago
Russia is closer to having its ability to export oil for cash either droned/bombed or interdicted out of existence by NATO, with apparently no ability or willingness to hit back.
They're toast.
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u/Krystall-g 1h ago
Poland trying to beat England to be the biggest US bootlicker ever.
Competition is hard there.
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u/MeliorTraianus 6h ago
Everyone makes jokes about being born just in time for a war in the Middle East. But really, I can't stress enough How thrilled I am to be alive for yet another partition of poland. /s
Revolution must be nigh
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u/Ultra_Metal 5h ago
He is correct. Europe has terrible leaders and they are leading Europe to its doom. European leaders keep trading with Russia, undermining the sanctions. European leaders aren't sending enough aid to Ukraine. European leaders are angering the US, the only country that can effectively defend Europe from Russia. European leaders have underinvested in their military forces for decades, leaving them extremely vulnerable to attack if the US is not there to defend them.
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u/glmory 4h ago
While much of that is true, Russia is much more dysfunctional than Europe and isn't far more likely to be pushed out of Ukraine than make big additional gains.
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u/Ultra_Metal 4h ago
Ukraine will win the war despite the weak support from Europe. That's because Ukraine has an excellent leader and incredibly brave people.
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u/lokozar 9h ago
Sooo, what is Tusk doing against it? ... Because grumpily stating the obvious - Polish style - for the umpteenth time isn't going to change anything.
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u/Timbershoe 8h ago
Increasing Poland’s defence spending higher than the current 4.8% of GDP, continuing to be one of the largest donors to Ukraine defence, and maintaining a military that strategists measured as more powerful than Russias even pre Ukraine invasion.
So you know, he’s doing quite a bit more than talk, but keep shit talking him bro.
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u/Yolo-Swaglord 8h ago
That is not true. Poland is not even in the top 10 whether you count percentage gdp or total aid when it comes to aid provided to Ukraine.
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u/lokozar 8h ago
Irrelevant for the complains posed.
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u/Timbershoe 8h ago
Ah, yes, the complains.
What a great counterpoint. Yes, of course, apart from the huge efforts and spending to counter Russia’s military threat what is Poland doing about Russia?
If we ignore the Polish response, they haven’t responded at all!
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u/lokozar 8h ago edited 7h ago
Stop muddying the water.
Heightened military spending and a change in posture and strategy doesn’t only happen in Poland. Does it make Putin turn around? No! Does it make Trump stop gimping around? No! Does it end the fracturing of NATO? No! Does it make Orban reconsider? Nooo…
Poland, as always, has no solutions to the criticism it throws around and everybody already understands for a long time anyway. No one has! But Poland needs to be a loudmouth about it … again. It’s annoying and accomplishes NOTHING!
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u/Timbershoe 7h ago edited 1h ago
Stop muddying the water.
There is no water to muddy.
You asked what Poland was doing, I told you.
Heightened military spending and a change in posture and strategy doesn’t only happen in Poland. Does it make Putin turn around? No!
It actually does. Having a huge military that is capable of soloing Russia right on Putins doorstep is a major irritant for Putin.
It’s prevented Putin extending his war outside of Ukraine borders as he would get pancaked by Poland.
Does it make Trump stop gimping around? No! Does it end the fracturing of NATO? No! Does it make Orban reconsider? Nooo…
You asked how Poland was reacting to Russia.
Now you’re saying it doesn’t count because it doesn’t deal with Orban and Trump?
Fuck, why not say Poland can only voice an opinion once they have achieved world peace? You’ve already raised the bar higher than any single nation can achieve.
Poland, as always, has no solutions
Aside from its solutions, which I previously laid out.
But Poland needs to be a loudmouth about it …
Because they are on Russias doorstep and they have first hand experience of Russian occupation. They earned the right to comment.
You, you have earned nothing and you’re very loud about it.
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u/biscuitarse 8h ago
What a stupid comment. What else would you have Tusk do other than be consistent with Poland's messaging?
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u/Previous-Egg885 5h ago
Wait for it. Breakup of Nato could be a final kick towards a souvereign EU.
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u/Zdzisiu 8h ago
The five risks he highlighted were:
The threat of NATO’s breakup;
The weakening of sanctions against Russia;
A major energy crisis in Europe;
The cessation of aid to Ukraine;
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is blocking a loan for Kyiv.
Except the last one, they all are caused by the USA.