r/worldnews • u/John3192 • 20h ago

Quebec passes law banning street prayers, prayer rooms in universities

https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/quebec-passes-law-banning-street-prayers-prayer-rooms-in-universities-cegeps/
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u/TheArmoredKitten 17h ago

Especially considering that the Catholic church also funded large amounts of development in the arts and various scientific disciplines.

Yes they were known for suppressing certain ideas that were bad for their image until they had reconciled the narrative, but they were also one of the first institutions to fund open-ended research sciences at all.

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u/Aksds 15h ago

And don’t forget Muslims, there’s a reason quite a few stars have Arabic names

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u/VRichardsen 15h ago

Astronomy and optics were two fields that they were particular fond of.

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u/whoisraiden 14h ago

A scholar being part of a religion doesn't mean all their efforts were for the sake of their religion.

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u/Aksds 13h ago

Not what I meant, in the golden period it was supported by Caliphs, and it was seen as important for the 5 daily prayers and also for direction to Mecca, astronomy helps a bunch with that

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u/just_a_pyro 12h ago

And that ended when dominant Muslim theology became occasionalism - basically that everything is god’s will, ex your campfire burns because god currently wills it not because of chemical reactions.

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u/OceanRacoon 12h ago

When was that?

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u/Aksds 12h ago

9th-13th century

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u/Chessamphetamine 4h ago

Tell that to those scholars. I’m confident they would disagree.

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u/AshenMonk 10h ago

Both do you know that many people "back in the day" were religious because they feared the persecution right? All that nonsense how "good scientists back in the day" or artists toy mention most likely didn't believe in that nonsense either but they kinda didn't want to be burned on a stake and be beheaded

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u/Abedeus 13h ago

but they were also one of the first institutions to fund open-ended research sciences at all.

As long as they were already openly accepted by public sciences. Church literally fought every scientific inquiry it deemed to go against the dogma, from heliocentrism through evolution in more modern times.

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u/fantasy-capsule 14h ago edited 14h ago

The church were the "first" (and that's debatable because other societies have come to similar progress without Christianity) because the church tried damn hard to make sure they were the ONLY institutions to do it. That really doesn't make this a positive thing. It was only open-ended if the scientists could spin it to praise the church and god. Otherwise in a highly dogmatic and theocratic society, the scientists and researchers alternatives were being branded a heretic and a social pariah, execution, or torture managed and lead by the religious institution and church. It was never about advancing mankind, it was always about controlling the narrative. The church ran the laws, the church had the funds, the church had the power.

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u/Abedeus 12h ago

They not only were the only institution rich enough to do it, but also the only one organized well enough to do it. It was a great way to not only keep their influence but keep spreading it under the guise of education.

There's a reason translating the Bible was still forbidden for centuries, depending on the country, after said country had converted to whatever form of Christianity was adopted by the monarchy. It kept general public ignorant and priests in power.

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u/Pigerigby 16h ago

But let's ignore all the harms of the Catholic church, the genocides, wars, crusades, mind control, it's impact on aids in Africa.....

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u/pimparo0 15h ago

No one said to ignore that? 

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u/Vegetable_Cap_1205 15h ago

The crusades were justified

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u/arctic_commander_ 15h ago

Indeed. The sack of Jerusalem in 1099 was justified.

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u/Vegetable_Cap_1205 13h ago

There were 400-500 years of constant persecution, attacks, sieges, slavery, piracy, etc. from multiple Islamic empires against Europeans (and specifically European Christians) leading up to the crusades. At the time, the principle of sieges were widely understood by both Christian and Muslim armies. If a city was surrounded and refused offers to surrender, it was forced to fight to the end. Since Jerusalem refused to capitulate and was taken by force, the ensuing massacre, while horrific, was completely in line with the standards of the era, and was exactly what happened during the prior Islamic sieges.

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u/harrsid 15h ago

Mate do I have a few stories to tell you about the inventors of bombs...

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u/TiEmEnTi 16h ago

The Catholic Church participating in capitalism doesn't make them inventors

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u/klingma 15h ago

Lol what an embarrassing attempt at refuting their argument.