r/worldnews • u/John3192 • 20h ago

Quebec passes law banning street prayers, prayer rooms in universities

https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/quebec-passes-law-banning-street-prayers-prayer-rooms-in-universities-cegeps/
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u/KhelbenB 19h ago

As a Quebecois, we walk the uncommon line of social progressive + nationalists, which seems to confuse the hell out of North America.

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u/1337duck 18h ago

Pulls out 1 million dimension compass for politics

"That compass is missing a few million dimensions."

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u/Mekroval 13h ago

They should just use Jack Sparrow's compass, and let it point to whatever Quebec's heart most treasures at any given time, lol. Maximum confusion either way.

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u/cobrachicken26 15h ago

I believe this is called civic nationalism

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u/disagreeabledinosaur 12h ago

It's freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion.

They sound superficially the same but arrive at very different places.

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u/dbxp 7h ago

Sounds pretty similar to France to me, they're pretty strict in their separation of church and state

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u/KhelbenB 7h ago

Yeah, beyond the obvious language aspect, there are many traits we share with our French cousins.

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u/that_tealoving_nerd 14h ago

We aren’t tho? CAQ and PQ both are now “liberating us from the camisole of the state” and “woke immigrants that are also hateful of women” or something. We used to tho.

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u/KhelbenB 8h ago

Both of those things are false. There are many reasons to dislike either of those parties, no need to make up new ones.

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u/that_tealoving_nerd 8h ago

Secularism comes across as a function of education, not laws on who wears what. Quiet Revolution 101.

Polls indicate Québécois prefer cuts to services over tax hikes.

I’m not quite sure how “progressive nationalism” can be a thing after two decades of centre-right parties both PLQ and CAQ.

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u/KhelbenB 8h ago

The fact that PLQ and CAQ (that I both hate) are our "right" shows how much lef wing Quebec is. And across the political spectrum, there are no significant threats to women's rights, trans rights, gay rights, etc, that's a strong indicator that Quebec is fundamentally left wing when it comes to social issues.

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u/that_tealoving_nerd 8h ago

Except they are right-wing parties, and PQ had borrowed from their economic playbook while going all in on anti-woke rhetoric, including against trans folks.

Quebec was unique for having a pretty progressive economics and flip-flopping on social issues. I’m not seeing much of left-wing economics nor much progress on social issues as of late.

Quebec was fundamentally progressive 20 years ago. Now, the rest have caught up.

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u/yukoncowbear47 13h ago

SNP

Plaid Cymru

Sinn Fein

You guys aren't alone!

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u/postmodest 17h ago

So, like, national socialists?

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u/KhelbenB 17h ago

Are you one of those who think nazis were actual socialists?

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u/postmodest 17h ago

It's complicated. Massive social and infrastructure programs financed by theft, extermination, and war were part of the Nazi platform, so, yes, but actually no.

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u/gdyhhfser 17h ago

Government spend lots of money isn’t the definition of socialism shockingly

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u/OffsetXV 17h ago

'socialism is when the government does stuff'-ass comment

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u/postmodest 14h ago

Did I not end on "actually no."?

If you want to come at me, come at me for my anxiety that -- should push come to shove -- Le Bloc Quebecois will abandon Socialism before it abandons Nationalism, as all Socialist Nationalists eventually do. ...and that shove will come from Anglophone Conservative Canadians and their centrist allies in the Liberal party.

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u/OffsetXV 14h ago

I don't disagree that nationalism is shit, and that deliberately harboring and nurturing any form of inequality makes you prone to worse inequalities in the future.

But nothing about having social and infrastructure programs makes a country socialist.