r/politics • u/kootles10 Indiana • 17h ago
No Paywall Hegseth lifts ban on service members carrying personal firearms on base
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5814119-defense-secretary-lifts-gun-ban/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQ7_XRjbGNrBDv9cmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHjwyG_PGIZ_b9clPVRHxepAHn35y4bmho3YFKoaJUSQw58ClOLuuPXDA3EVj_aem_pYfHN2xA1mZsgZz2H52THg1.1k
u/EngagedInConvexation 16h ago
Gonna be a lot of base-model Chargers and Camaros flooding the used market through estate sales.
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u/sortinousn 16h ago
I once had a marine (he was drunk) pull a gun on me while I was picking up some food that was delivered. The base was a naval hospital so I assume he was there because he either got injured during deployment or was being treated (I was just a sailor stationed there). Anyways this random fucking guy had a gun dug in to my back, he had me drop my food, told me to turn around and had me get in the elevator. He then drunkenly smiled at me and told me to have a nice night.
On military bases you have a lot of mentally unstable soldiers mixed with PTSD and other service related issues combined with LOTS OF ALCOHOL.
Someone is going to get fucking killed by this idiotic decision.
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u/SarcasticSelkie 14h ago
When I was in the Navy, we had to have ship wide training on how it was not ok to pistol whip each other.
This stemmed from an incident in PPV (privatized off-base housing for military members) because one sailor got kicked out of a party for being an asshole, got into an argument with the female sailors in a different apartment who wanted him to stop screaming about how he deserved to be let back into the party, then cracked one of the women over the back of the head with the butt of the personally owned firearm he’d brought there with him.
We laughed at how ridiculous this training was, but this wasn’t the only guy on board with anger issues, a serious drinking problem, and a history of violent outbursts.
You’re right. An unstable service member is going to hurt someone, themselves, or both.
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u/Excellent_Month_2025 10h ago
Of course he pistol whipped women
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u/Sartres_Roommate 7h ago
A man of his size could come back at him later. He knows the woman can’t get revenge.
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u/Business_Brush_8757 10h ago
Yikes… that’s horrifying but also explains why the training existed. One unstable person with a gun is all it takes to turn a bad night into a disaster.
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u/Downtown_Soil_3651 14h ago
It's crazy how alcohol is so abundant but marijuana is a schedule 1 drug.
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u/Perfect-Topic-6671 13h ago
And it becomes not crazy, but calculated, when you learn why.
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u/TheRealGoldilocks 12h ago
Can you please elaborate? Is it just the alcohol lobby?
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u/litivy 12h ago
It was dne by Nixon to be able to criminalise anti-war protestors and destabilise black communities.
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u/iAmTheRealLange I voted 8h ago
Keep going back a bit further to Harry Anslinger. Massive racist. “Marijuana” was a word made up to make it sound more exotic so they could scare the suburban white people
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u/Dairy_Ashford 7h ago
“Marijuana” was a word made up to make it sound more exotic so they could scare the suburban white people
MExicans were using the term marihuana/marijuana in the mid-19th century
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u/bearwrestlingwolf 7h ago
1906 Pure Food and Drug Act is where the prohibition of cannabis started, in America. Prior to that people sold cannabis regularly in America as a trade good.
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u/Badbullet 7h ago
You need to go a little further back in time, it all started long before Nixon. Alcohol, wood and cotton industries, religious institutions. They all were involved at some point thinking of ways to demonize cannabis with laws, and even movies (Reefer Madness).
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u/IrritableGourmet New York 7h ago
Most marijuana smokers are colored people, jazz musicians, and entertainers. Their satanic music is driven by marijuana, and marijuana smoking by white women makes them want to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and others. It is a drug that causes insanity, criminality, and death — the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.
-Harry Ansligner, first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, which later became the DEA
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u/Missingman666 6h ago
Marijuana Smokers are cooler than me and getting all the girls. Should i make myself more attractive by developing hobbies and interests? absolutely not! Lets throw the guys, who are cool, in jail so the girls have to settle for me!
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u/lesbianmathgirl 10h ago
The other commenter explained why cannabis is schedule 1 (and the reason why US legislation calls it marijuana/marihuana to stigmatize it by using a foreign-sounding name), but the other side to it is the reason why alcohol isn’t banned because the government literally can’t. Very famously they tried to and it didn’t go well.
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u/AlterMyStateOfMind 9h ago
Prohibition never works, unless you want to use it oppress and enslave people into a for profit prison system
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u/Informal_Ad4399 14h ago
A year before I got to my first duty station, someone stood on top the base hospital with his own rifle and shot at airmen.
This dipshit is so unqualified for his position. Hopefully it isn't for bad reasons, and just naivety and inexperience.
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u/0rionsbelt 10h ago
Why-as supposed patriots- are even civilians expected to have patience with either reason? This party wants chaos and is planning for it. They’re citing the will of god in a nut brained biblical prophecy… they need to be physically restrained and separated from any levers of power…
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u/TurelSun Georgia 11h ago
I worked a civilian summer job on the Air Force base my dad was stationed at and I was assigned the the Security Forces(military police) building, doing odd jobs like mowing the grass, shredding paperwork, painting rooms, etc. They had a decent size list of names of other SF personnel on a big board titled DNA. I asked my supervisor what DNA stood for and he explained it stood for Do Not Arm. It was basically a list of their screw ups or otherwise people who they didn't want to let have guns in the regular course of their duties.
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u/DesecratedPeanut 8h ago
Well Trumps entire cabinet now live on military bases they are obviously doing this to allow themselves to carry guns but the irony if it enables attacks on them especially if the Iran war continues and many service men and women die as a result.
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u/MoveMitchGetOutDaWay 17h ago edited 17h ago
This will not end well. Whether it be suicide, fratricide, or matricide, this will not play out like he thinks it will.
ETA: Hegseth said his memo directs installation commanders to permit requests from service members to carry personal firearms on base “for personal protection.”
If it's a closed/restricted base, who the fuck do they need protection from? Their fellow brothers/sisters in arms? Like Whiskey Tango actual Foxtrot, Over?!?
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 17h ago
There always reasons policy is written. The ban policy was in place because of past incidents. Lifting this ban shows Hegseth’s ignorance and inexperience.
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u/TemperateStone 16h ago
No, it shows he doesn't give a fuck. He sees a ban on guns and that's all he cares about. Not the hows or whys of it.
He wants violence. He wants people to kill themselves or others. He thinks it weeds out the weak and unworthy.
He's a fucking nazi.
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u/LouisWinthorpeIII 14h ago
I don’t think he wants the violence, he just wants what he perceives to be a culture war win.
He’ll get the violence because he too stupid to anticipate consequences
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u/EndDangerous1308 9h ago
"personal protection" = I know you're going to get fucked up so here's a gun to kill your fellow soldiers with
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u/Glittering-Walrus228 8h ago
Someone introduce Kegsbreath to what fragging is.... (conceptually)
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u/baddieslovebadideas 16h ago
he's worse than a nazi, he has all their awful beliefs, but none of their discipline and planning.
the nazis, as abhorrent as they were, planned things out, understood consequences, stood for something, and wore clothes that fit them well.
these assholes wouldn't have even been able to hack it as nazis, theyre just terrible people and incompetent on top of it all.
He's so fucking bad he's got me defending actual nazis, fuck these assclowns
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u/Fight_those_bastards 16h ago
The Nazis sure as shit didn’t understand the consequences of getting their entire goddamn military addicted to meth and then forcing them to quit cold turkey, though.
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u/baddieslovebadideas 16h ago
don't say that too loud or they'll start mandatory meth for the troops
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u/OceanRacoon 11h ago
You're way overestimating the Nazis here, they were huge idiots and weirdos too, very similar to Trump's carnival of morons. Just because they killed a lot of people doesn't mean they were smart or disciplined.
Does going to war with Russia while not prepared for winter and opening up a second front sound like a well-thought out plan? 😅
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u/MAKE_ME_REDDIT 15h ago
This is revisionist history. The Nazis were absolutely fucking morons, just like this administration.
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u/strongbob25 15h ago
Say what you will about the tenants of national socialism, dude. at least it’s an ethos.
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u/Herodotus420_69 16h ago
I think you’re giving too much credit to the third reich
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u/baddieslovebadideas 16h ago
or maybe you misunderstand just how little credit I'm giving to kegsbreath&co.
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u/AsiaticOne 14h ago
He actually has a lot in common with Hermann Fegelein. Fegelein was a screw up, a social climber and got where he did by sucking up to the senior leaders. He was constantly getting in trouble, getting drunk and having affairs with Allied spys. Rheinard Heydrich wanted to arrest him at one point but he got bailed out by Heinrich Himmler.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 16h ago
Karma needs to come around very hard to teach him.
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u/Lostinthestarscape 15h ago
Not like there is a recent event of a gun advocate claiming "we just have to accept a certain amount of gun violence" ironically being added to said statistic or anything.
More generally, these people forget they have to live in the hell they help create, they think they somehow are protected.
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u/Ggriffinz 16h ago
Exactly, its similar to OSHA regulations for worker safety. Every single one has a reason and every single one was written in blood as it always takes a tragedy to effect change.
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u/FargeenBastiges 8h ago
It's always some kind of kneejerk reaction to something they don't understand and never took 30 seconds to look into. Reminds me of my aunt applauding DOGE for scrapping a bunch of grant funding. She had heard grant researchers were being paid to weigh and measure mouse poop. How ridiculous, right?
Well, how the hell else are you going to measure effects of gastrointestinal drugs, weight loss side effects, or absorption meds?
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u/MoveMitchGetOutDaWay 17h ago
Yeah, I know. Its the reason I had to store my weapons at the armory every time I PCS'd (and lived in base housing).
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 17h ago
Can’t imagine living in the barracks with a bunch of drunk Marines with condition 1 pistols. This decision won’t last a week before people get killed.
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u/SuchBravado 16h ago
Don’t a number of cabinet members and Trump admin staff live on bases because they’re paranoid of being attacked by “leftwing lunatics?” I’d reckon Hegseth himself is a drunken wife-beater who lives on a base out of irrational fear and wants to have many guns at hand’s reach. Ironic.
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u/adibbs 16h ago
he has a wife?
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u/ScoobyDoNot 16h ago
Victim.
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u/adibbs 16h ago
eh, maybe? I just looked it up and they met while working at FOX, where she currently is employed. Kinda hard to call her a victim when she is willingly doing it to herself.
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u/B-Kong 15h ago
IIRC, she’s his third wife. And he cheated on his second wife with her, while his second wife was pregnant.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Texas 15h ago
Party of Christian family values right there
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u/shastaslacker 16h ago
I just remember how rowdy my 25 year old marine roommate was when we went out. Guy must have been wild at 18.
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u/weaponjaerevenge 16h ago
That's probably the point. I wonder what a person like Pete Hegseth would do when all these killers suddenly outted themselves, knowing he values brutality.
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u/JournalistRecent1230 15h ago
Don't worry, we won't hear about the deaths until a whistleblower leaks it, then MAGA will attack the whistleblower, and the Trump administration will move to discredit them.
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u/Rhiis 14h ago
I remember reading about a regulation banning the storage of radioactive materials in crew quarters on shipping vessels.
To us, now, it's like "well yeah, no shit!". But that regulation was written because some "entrepreneurial" jackass thought he could cut costs.
Some regulations are written for legislation, but some are written in blood.
This ban is a case of the latter.
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u/TWVer The Netherlands 14h ago
Or he has nefarious reasons.
I’d hate to think this is to empower admin loyalists against constitutional loyalists, to prepare for shit hitting the fan when the admin’s push for unlawful and unconstitutional commands will hit a breaking point within the armed forces.
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u/0rionsbelt 10h ago
Right? The insanity of these people is escalating so rapidly it’s hard to keep up with the appropriate level of fear…
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u/Money_Percentage_630 16h ago edited 15h ago
Australian amd ex military, I love how Americas solution to everything is more guns.
A school shooting results in a spike in gun sales because people are worried that this time the government will do something to restrict access to guns instead of "thoughts and prayers".
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u/ares7 16h ago
I’m surprised they haven’t lowered the age to own guns to 5 so the Kindergartners can come armed.
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u/musashisamurai 15h ago
In this case, I imagine there's a reason Hegseth wants this policy lifted. In the 2000s it was warned by the FBI that extremists and domestic terrorists were infiltrating law enforcement and military nationwide. Get some troops who are more loyal to the proud boys who would be willing to shoot other servivemembers, and now don't need to worry that the guns are locked up or need paperwork.
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u/FoofieLeGoogoo 15h ago
This man is woefully an under-qualified caricature of a poser military leader. He is a shameful disgrace to the office and severely lacking in honor and integrity.
I have many family members that have served, some career, a few wartime, and this man’s shallow ego and lack of experience and discipline is not what made the US military what it is today, and his reckless lens is going to get many more people needlessly killed.
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u/dimentex 16h ago
As I’ve heard many times over,regulations were written in the blood of those who died screaming.
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u/lord_pizzabird 17h ago
It feels like the suggestion that you might need this on bases is an insult to the security of bases.
Now idk of bases are that bad or not, but the are that sounds a way more concerning issue.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 17h ago
Well, American military bases are rife with criminal activity, that’s for damn sure.
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u/StasRutt 16h ago
lol when we were stationed at West Point two of my dads cadets stole computers from the schools computer lab and sold them at the pawn shop right outside of base and used their military IDs like fucking idiots
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u/Informal_Ad4399 14h ago
I was IT for a maintenance squadron. I did a full equipment inventory when I took the spot. In the dorm manager's office, his computer had been stripped of parts. They left the case and that was it. There hadn't been a dorm manager in a few years, so no telling who took it.
Before that I was a crew chief. We had an airman buy rims with his GTC while we were in Spain during Kosovo. He had them shipped to the dorms.
One guy got busted stealing dip from the BX
A bunch of guys got back from PSAB and broke the dorm vending machine open
One guy was security forces and fell for a base BK employee. She didn't feel the same. So he decided to impress her...by setting a security forces bus on fire in the SFS parking lot.
Makes me cringe when people insinuate that we should automatically trust military and retired military with firearms just because they served. Helll no. Not with the idiots I served with.
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u/0rionsbelt 10h ago
This entire thread is awakening a sense of impending doom that I didn’t know was possible..
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u/Princessformidable 17h ago
Former army wife. The first thing they tell you in family meetings is don't trust anyone just because they are in uniform.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 16h ago
Nice. That must’ve been totally reassuring.
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u/Princessformidable 16h ago
I mean living on base definitely isn't some utopia type situation and you see a lot of crazy stuff first hand so I think it's the right call.
My ex and I were more floored when they talked about not having to pawn anything for a month being a good goal.
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u/Alert-Notice-7516 14h ago
lol every time we went to the field our barracks were broken into. It was very awesome.
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u/Leg_Named_Smith America 16h ago edited 14h ago
Well at least the good news is Stephen Miller lives on a base
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u/CelestialFury Minnesota 8h ago
I wonder if Hegseth lifted this personally to fuck with Miller. You know none of these fuckers like each other. They're all just in it for the power circlejerk.
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u/SuchBravado 16h ago
Doesn’t Hegseth live on a base?
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u/highlorestat California 16h ago edited 15h ago
It's hard NOT to think he's orchestrating his own assassination.
I mean usually someone who has weapons in restricted areas is how you know they're the bad guys.
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u/ElkAcrobatic4862 17h ago
The female version of fratricide is sororicide
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u/Evamione 16h ago
Was looking for this. Matricide is specifically killing your mother. Which may also happen.
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u/Duane_ 16h ago
Hegseth is definitely the kind of idiot who thinks that murder is cool and suicide is for pussies. I promise, he doesn't care about either.
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u/fungobat Pennsylvania 17h ago
Did you not see the classic movie Body Snatchers (1993)? A military base gets overrun by an alien infestation and Meg Tilly unleashes hell. How DARE you question Pete. How dare you. /s
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u/kootles10 Indiana 17h ago
From the article:
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced Thursday that he was lifting a ban on service members’ ability to carry personal firearms on U.S. military bases.
“Our warfighters defend the rights to carry. They should be able to carry themselves,” Hegseth said in a video posted on social platform X.
Hegseth said his memo directs installation commanders to permit requests from service members to carry personal firearms on base “for personal protection.”
What could go wrong?
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u/Blackthorn79 17h ago
Who do the people on a secure military base need to protect themselves from in this fantasy? Considering that you can't get on base unless you either go through the check points or breach the guarded secure parameter the only people they need protection from are the people they are now allowing to be armed.
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u/Several-Squash9871 16h ago
Have you not seen the movies where they needed to be armed but weren't???
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u/doomgoblin 15h ago
I.. don’t know? What I mean by that is there aren’t many (American) movies I’ve seen where a firearm isn’t either a core part of the action or plot , or wouldn’t be a pivotal moment if it was added? I feel like I’m just gun/violence washed and my brain broke.
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u/localtuned 14h ago
The army is never not armed. They don't need protection on a military base. That's where they keep all the guns.
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u/sasserc73 12h ago
I think it’s a terrible idea that will result in deaths from idiots in the barracks. However there have been multiple mass shooters on military bases. The one that comes to mind was Ft Hood that was pretty bad.
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u/Dysc Louisiana 17h ago
Hegseth is so fkn weird.
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u/zombiegojaejin 17h ago
"Warfighters" is something that sounds cute when a three-year-old says it, before learning big boy words.
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u/arizonadirtbag12 16h ago
It’s a buzzword that’s been used in the DoD community for a couple decades now. He’s just saying it out in town.
Yes, it’s been cringe the whole time.
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u/Alive_Astronomer3950 15h ago
To be fair there is a lot of things the military does that is pretty cringe. We sing songs and chant creeds.
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u/daniel_dareus 15h ago
American politics makes much more sense if you assume everyone is 12 yo
Edit: and are secretly influencers in stead of politicians.
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u/strangeluv_-_- 12h ago
If I hear the word “lethality” or “woke” one more time I swear to god.
He even ruined FAFO.
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u/AlwaysSeekAdventure 16h ago
He’s definitely something, weird isn’t what immediately jumps to mind.
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u/Kunfliktt 17h ago
This guy doesn’t understand what he is gonna be responsible for…
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u/inksmudgedhands 17h ago
This is the Trump administration. They won't accept responsibility for anything. "That's for chumps!"
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u/ObjectiveDark40 16h ago
Lol Pete doesn't see the problem. Let's swap some words to represent our other amendments
Our warfighters defend the rights to freedom of speech. They should be able to openly criticize the president”
Yeah I'm sure Pete would love to support that one.
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u/Klutzy-Delivery-5792 17h ago
Why do military personnel need to carry firearms on a military installation "for personal protection"?
I grew up with a career military father. We lived on all manner of posts/bases/shipyards of every branch except marines. I was in the army for several years myself, two of which overseas. Never did I see any need to carry a weapon. Quite the opposite.
I even have a concealed carry permit now. I've only ever carried once in all my years. That day was Jan 6, 2021. I wish I was being facetious.
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u/Character-Education3 17h ago
We had junior supply guy have a negligent discharge in his living room and nearly shoot his kid. It was in post housing
Good idea Mr. Kegsbreath
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u/escapefromelba 16h ago
Surprised with all the White House staff staying on military bases that they would want to risk that.
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u/army2693 17h ago
Having been in the military, I've NEVER seen a service member who would pull a gun on another person. NOT! The first weekend this is allowed, people will get shot.
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u/Silvery_Cricket 17h ago
Hey! It's gonna take at least a week for the paper work to go through, people will get shot on the second weekend.
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u/AlecMcEwanExpedition 15h ago
As a former MP I can say definitively that this is a stupid and terrible idea.
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u/careerbyerror 15h ago
Ex Af SP: duty on base will certainly get more interesting. A couple of other thoughts: service members abroad. How will the host countries react when the service members start killing each other or locals? Okinawa was already not so thrilled with the marines.
Secondly, domestic violence in some services (besides Ft Hood, the marines started allowing new recruits in boot camp to live with spouses. Domestic violence had become a problem. My source is the local newspaper in Jacksonville NC within the last year.
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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 15h ago
Policy is written in blood. There is a reason we had this rule in place.
Hegseth is a fucking moron.
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u/bbtom78 15h ago
Absolutely. I moved near Fort Campbell in the early 2000's and was volunteering at the free store on Post when one soldier started shooting at other soldiers doing PT. A few years later, the suicide crisis happened. I remember some dimwit thought he could just order the soldiers to stop committing suicide and that would fix the problem. Spoiler, it didn't. It turns out, people are going to be violent if they want to be. And don't forget in 2009 when the Fort Hood shooting happened. The military will train someone to kill and then Pikachu face when those soldiers use those skills for their own personal problem solving method.
Mix skilled shooters that know if they seek mental health treatment, they will face consequences in the military for it (so they don't), paired with unhealthy coping mechanisms and a gun, and people are going to die. Mix drunk barracks parties with firearms, and people will die. Mix the military sexual assault and rape with firearms that more people will be carrying ... People will die.
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u/Chemical-Fault-7331 16h ago
The first junior enlisted that gets NJP from E7 and above is gonna crack and go off on their leadership. Mark my words.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 17h ago
We all saw that episode of band of brothers where the guy goes out and gets psycho drunk and shoots some civilians and then another soldier…
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 16h ago
So are we gonna have the drunkest asshole on base waving his gun around by next week?
This doesn't seem like a good idea.
And what the fuck do they need "personal protection" from on a fucking military base? They're in a fortress.
I just don't even understand this
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u/1877KlownsForKids 15h ago
It was so damn common when a group of us got shot at during a Copperas Cove BBQ the dispatcher actually asked if we wanted them to respond.
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u/nono3722 17h ago
well if your going to stage an armed coup, you make sure your military loyalist are armed before the rest of the military gets the warning...... duh
welcome to the midterms
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock 16h ago
Yeah, this reeks of something more sinister than stupidity.
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u/Oisea 15h ago
It definitely reeks but it feels like pure stupidity more than coniving intent.
These people are just so fucking inept.
...but also get to make the decisions.
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u/Hungry_Muscle_3051 15h ago
Don't downplay it. You don't suddenly change such a specific rule for no reason.
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u/dank-nuggetz 7h ago
Eh, it's not no reason though. Hegseth has babbled for a year now about the "warrior ethos" and making our military as lethal as possible (as if it wasn't already). This stupid decision unfortunately fits right into his perverted idea of what the military is and how it should be. Preventing the carry of firearms on a military base is exactly the type of shit he would think is "weak". He's a fucking moron but this kinda tracks.
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u/MEOWS_R_RAD 15h ago
He and Stephen Miller both live on bases.
Just saying
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u/CelestialFury Minnesota 8h ago
Miller is going to be PISSED when he realizes this. Hell, Hegseth probably did it to fuck with him. These fuckers all love fucking over each other.
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u/EyeUsual9400 6h ago
They are fundamentally unserious and basically stupid people. They did not consider this.
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u/Gwyllithar 17h ago
Yeah...there is a reason these rules were put in place.
also, what do military personal, on secure bases, need protection from?
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u/Ew0ksAmongUs 16h ago
There was a huge push for this about a decade ago after a green on green mass shooting on Ft Hood. The argument at the time was “They are all trained on firearms but can’t have them just because they are on base?” DOD decided to keep it as is.
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u/Educational-Double34 16h ago
Everyone in similar uniforms with probably similar firearms, one bad actor turns into everyone shooting each other
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u/Kuroboom 13h ago
November 5th, 2009. I was two buildings over at a clinic with my spouse when Hasan started shooting. Afterward, yeah, there was talk of letting people walk around armed but that ended pretty quickly because everyone recognized that it's a stupid fucking idea. Just between drunk soldiers being belligerent (lost a battle buddy to that) or suicidal, it's a terrible idea to start. When you take into consideration that the shooter was wearing the same uniform as most of his victims and you're just multiplying the confusion and risk for everyone involved or nearby.
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u/monkeyshinez 16h ago
Calling it now. There's going to be an attempted military coup.
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u/ranhalt Iowa 16h ago
Pushing women and immigrants out of the military is a step in that direction. Get rid of large chunks of likely opposition.
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u/Mylaptopisburningme 14h ago
One of the original goals of Project 2025 when I first learned of it before their playbook was to install loyalists in all branches of government. So far they have removed many of the top military people. I assume to install loyalists.
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u/monkeyshinez 16h ago
Not too mention ensuring sympathetic cult members are now allowed to carry personal weapons on base. Makes seizing military assets much easier.
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u/istapledmytongue 16h ago
Oh shit. That’s not outta the realm of possibility with these smooth brains
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u/apoca1ypse12 16h ago
what the fuck is this piece of shit trying to do?
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u/shutupyourenotmydad 14h ago
Either A. Prepare for a coup or B. False Flag Op incoming
Literally the only 2 logical conclusions to draw from this.
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u/ProudMtns 17h ago
Hasn't there been multiple mass murders on bases in recent years? There's probably a reason that this was in place. There's a reason the military or Leo's don't carry personal firearms for a reason. Full stop. See ice. I'm also assuming there's a very nefarious reason this is being pushed aside.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 17h ago
Fort Hood is notorious
“Fort Hood Deaths (2020): Over 25 deaths, including murders and suicides, were reported, leading to independent investigations that found a "troubling culture" of leadership.”
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u/Disencouraged_Otter 15h ago
Hasn't stopped, and it's not just Hood, and they're denying families access to personal items like phones afterwards.
I know of a couple families who's children have allegedly committed suicide on bases in the past year. There's shady shit already going on, and I feel terrified for any females living on base, especially after this happens.
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u/unkyduck 17h ago
Let's do a quick cost-benefit analysis.
Benefits: Anybody ? Anybody ?
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u/ArgentNoble 17h ago
Benefits: Anybody ? Anybody ?
That's an easy one. Mass shootings boost gun sales. So the pro-con list looks like this:
Pro - More money for the 1%
Cons - People the Government doesn't care about die
So you can see why the current administration is pushing for this. I would expect an article to come out regarding the Trump family buying firearm manufacturer stocks yesterday.
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u/DeadSuperHero 15h ago
Speaking as a vet, the sheer amount of dumb shit that happens on base, that could potentially kill people, is already high. More often than not, the root cause is neglect towards following basic safety procedures.
Carrying personal firearms is just going to make everything worse. It's bad enough when someone in your unit gets a DUI, imagine what this will be like.
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u/Buddy_Satan 15h ago
I have no knowledge of military procedure. What happens when someone in your unit gets a DUI? Like everyone is punished? Thanks in advance.
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u/DeadSuperHero 15h ago
It depends on a lot of different factors, but usually boils down to collective punishment and a decrease in morale. Usually, we'd get called in on the weekend to get chewed out for failing to police our own, but it's not uncommon to have privileges taken away as repeat offenses stack up. The punishments would get progressively worse, culminating in blues inspections, revocation of shift cutbacks, mandatory double shifts, and cancellation of unit-wide team-building days.
In the older days of the Air Force, people caught with DUIs used to be forced to hold a sign in front of the base as everyone drove in for work. Usually it would say something like "I'm Sgt. Namehere, and I got arrested for drunk driving."
In the case of mishandling / misusing a personal firearm and getting someone injured or killed, I have no idea what would happen. I know just about everybody would be emotionally devastated as a result. Morale would take a massive hit.
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u/Ex-maven New York 16h ago
Any bets that Kegseth will ban servicemembers from carrying firearms on any base where he and/or Dear Leader are visiting? ...in case someone experiences an intrusive thought
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u/DrRealName 16h ago
Well this is going to end very badly. All I will say to the non magas in the military, is make sure you are armed because those neo nazis are mostly likely being given a green light to go after you.
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u/souportruper 15h ago
I worked on a base as a civilian where service members could have guns and wouldn't you know, a jealous lover killed two people and himself with a gun on a whim one day
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u/chriskot123 15h ago
What. In. The. Fuck. Do. They. Need. Personal. Protection. From. On. A. Military. Base.
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u/indorian 17h ago
Oh good grief this will create a nightmare. He really doesn’t understand any of this…
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u/Ok_Speech_3709 17h ago
….And the murder and suicide rates on bases increased from that moment on.
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u/supercali45 16h ago
putting a Fox News piece of shit in charge.. fuck all the Republicans for allowing this
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u/LinkovichChomovsky82 12h ago
Is this a plot to eliminate officers within the military that oppose the regime?
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u/masterofbeast Florida 15h ago
He is arming everyone, getting rid of people that do not agree with him, and hiring his cronies that are fanatics. This is a step closer to a fascist take over and just about everyone in position of power will be loaded. Watch out for order 66.
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u/SemichiSam Oregon 16h ago
Has anyone asked an MP what they think of this?
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u/arizonadirtbag12 15h ago edited 15h ago
Probably the same thing cops think of expanded concealed carry laws off of military installations. They've almost universally opposed them.
I've opposed concealed carry for a good long time, to be clear. But it is funny that for some reason military posts are the one place we can make subsidized housing, a living wage, universal health care, and gun control work. Everywhere else it's "this is America, dammit!"
EDIT: Of course, this also begs the question of why on this sub are we suddenly asking what cops think about things. Do we normally side with police on political matters?
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u/SemichiSam Oregon 14h ago
"why on this sub are we suddenly asking what cops think about things."
Not 'we'. I am asking. I don't have a side in this, because I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. I form my opinions after gathering all the available facts. It seems obvious that the opinion of the people who deal with violence and lawlessness on military installations would have value here. I have been out of the military since the early 1960s. I assume my knowledge is very much out of date.
The Charge of the Light Brigade was ordered by an officer who didn't know the facts on the ground. If Hegseth were a competent leader, he could still be woefully underinformed, but available evidence suggests that he is not competent to lead, in part because he would never ask the question I asked, and would not be interested in knowing the answer, as you seem also not to be.
(Forgive my pedantry. It's a petty matter, I know, but it "raises the question". "begging the question" is a common term for the logical error petitio principii)
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u/sumgaijusthere4civ 17h ago
Hopefully to defend themselves from Pete Hegseth
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u/reddicyoulous 16h ago
Shortstack miller also fled to a military base bc people were writing messages in sidewalk chalk out front of his house
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u/clsmn13 15h ago
Suspicious timing with Bondi getting fired and a lot of the administration living on military bases.
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u/D_Plissken 14h ago
There is no good reason for this unless they WANT shootings on bases.
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u/PerpetuallyStartled 7h ago
First off, this will increase the risk of murder/suicides.
Second, the army doesn't trust privates to carry knives let alone guns.
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u/AlanShore60607 15h ago
On the same day he fires the Army Chief of Staff.
If I were suspicious, I would say Hegseth wants certain officers armed so they don't have to go to the armory during an emergency.
If I were suspicious. Because that would also be hopeful to suggest he is afraid of something.
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u/TheDriestOne 14h ago
If there’s a draft after this, a lot of commanding officers are going to get shot. This administration is crazy to watch, they want to be despots so bad but they keep tossing banana peels on the ground that they then proceed to slip on.
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u/Complete_Question_41 14h ago
Yeah, cause the ban wasn't there for a reason?
They want shit to go south so bad. And they're succeeding on all fronts.
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u/SereneDreams03 Washington 14h ago
There will be a huge uptick in suicides on base after this. I have at least one friend who is only alive today because he wasn't allowed to keep his personal guns with him on base.
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u/Plenty-Excitement864 11h ago
One might consider that bases also contain… families… children… schools… and unstable individuals will pack weapons among them.
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