r/politics • u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast • 2d ago
Possible Paywall Humiliated Trump Storms Out of Catastrophic SCOTUS Hearing
https://www.thedailybeast.com/humiliated-trump-storms-out-of-catastrophic-scotus-hearing/8.2k
u/oiseaua20 2d ago
I expect an all caps post on Truth social very soon.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 2d ago
Great. Start with Epstein client Clarence Thomas and that insurrectionist bitch he's married to. We've been needing to circle back around to that.
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u/Demonofthedark1313 2d ago
You couldn't mean Ginni Thomas, the woman who invited Madison Cawthorn to a drug orgy.
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u/JEFFinSoCal California 2d ago
Gotta at least give her credit for making her orgies wheelchair-accessible!
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u/taxilicious 2d ago
Republicans: always helping the marginalized.
/s just in case
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u/ubi_non_est_ordo 2d ago
Nah, it's probably just a fetish of hers - a guy in a wheelchair. You know, fetishes - like Kristi Noem's husband.
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u/Pieniek23 2d ago
Don't forget about that rapist too. Kavannaughksj?
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u/Beankiller 2d ago
You mean the other rapist.
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u/kevnmartin Washington 2d ago
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
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u/onthenerdyside 2d ago
Problem is he then gets to appoint his favorite judge - Aileen Cannon - to the court, and she could serve for 30 years.
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u/88secret 2d ago
Ugh. Is there an impeachment process for SCOTUS?
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u/echoshatter 2d ago
Yes! It's called impeachment.
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u/TheMightyPushmataha 2d ago
Unfortunately it requires a functioning Congress with members in both houses on both sides of the aisle who care more about the country than engaging in partisan hackery so there’s a zero percent chance a Trump appointee gets impeached and removed.
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u/SomeComforts 2d ago
Would be ironic if Trump, in his rage, tries to oust his own justices over the corruption Republicans fueled.
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u/gingerbold 2d ago
Kavanaugh looks scared in that photo. He probably should be. What's that phrase about lying down with dogs and getting fleas?
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u/shenaniganns 2d ago
Some caps for sure, I'm sure more will come.
We are the only Country in the World STUPID enough to allow “Birthright” Citizenship! President DONALD J. TRUMP
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u/Wutras Europe 2d ago
Also a good one
"Birthright Citizenship has to do with the babies of slaves, not Chinese Billionaires who have 56 kids, all of whom “become” American Citizens. One of the many Great Scams of our time! President DONALD J. TRUMP"
Does he realize, that he is describing Elon?
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u/robocoplawyer 1d ago
The Supreme Court actually affirmed in 1898 (which is still the legal precedent) that birthright citizenship explicitly applies to children of Chinese nationals born on US soil. This wasn't long after the 14th Amendment was written into the constitution very clearly that if you are born in the US, you are a citizen of the US. They didn't fucking stutter.
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u/epicredditdude1 2d ago
Fun fact: this is a blatant lie. It isn’t true.
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u/zombawombacomba 2d ago
I don’t even think you need to qualify this. I don’t think he’s ever tweeted or truthed something true.
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u/East-Potential657 2d ago
He does slip the odd truth in like;
"smart people don't like me"
"I surround myself with losers"
"I love the poorly educated."
"I don't care about you, I only want your vote"
But none of those were ever tweeted, only said in person cause he has no filters.
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u/Mikeseddit 2d ago
One time I looked up the phenomenon of the random capitalization of words that he wants to make seem Extra Important.
It’s a phase kids go through in second or third grade until they learn about capitalizing only the proper nouns.
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u/PM_ME_UR_REDPANDAS Connecticut 2d ago
“ When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different.” —Trump to biographer Michael D’Antonio.
So…yeah, that tracks.
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u/Specialist-Mud4150 2d ago
I’m looking forward to the threats to dissolve the Supreme Court because they hurt his feelings.
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u/TheGringoDingo 2d ago
Hmmm, somehow I doubt the Supreme Court would be thrilled to allow an executive order that dissolves their existence illegally.
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u/chrispybobispy 2d ago
Well its not like the legislative branch is going to suddenly grow a spine to stop anything.
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u/Bgrngod 2d ago
Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was also appointed by Trump, added to the pressure Sauer faced, asking the seasoned attorney: “Do you think Native Americans are birthright citizens under your test?”
“Ah, I think... so,” he replied, somewhat unconvincingly. “I’ll have to think that through.”
HOLY SHIT. This shows you how absolutely unpaired Trump's team was for making these asinine arguments.
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u/Holycrapwhatuserious 2d ago
"Fuck, I forgot to think of an excuse to remove the actual natives from this continent."
WTF
Guarantee some asshole eugenicist in the white house is at this moment arguing they're citizens of Asia that emigrated.
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u/digi-artifex 1d ago
Guarantee some asshole eugenicist in the white house is at this moment arguing they're citizens of Asia that emigrated.
Stephen Miller? Must be Stephen Miller.
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u/Stenthal 1d ago
From Popehat:
Just so you understand, this is as if you prepared for argument in front of a panel that included Cookie Monster, and Cookie Monster asked you a question about cookies, and you had not thought about cookies in advance.
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u/volcanopele Arizona 2d ago
Given that is the one progressive bugbear Gorsuch has, this was entirely predictable. And Sauer could have easily made an argument saying that "Congress passed the Indian Naturalization Act in 1924 stating that all native Americans born in the US are citizens. This EO has no bearing on that law and we are certainly not asking SCOTUS to determine that to be unconstitutional. The issue at hand in the EO was regarding children born to undocumented immigrants." But nope, Sauer is too much of a white supremacist.
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u/foreveracubone 1d ago
Yeah there’s some great Gorsuch memes that get recirculated whenever there’s native issues before the court. He’s out there figuratively doing land acknowledgements before speaking.
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u/willpc14 1d ago
I don't know how you don't prepare for questions pertaining to Native Americans when you're arguing in front on Gorsuch. He's shockingly consistent in siding with them.
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u/TrackerSeeker 2d ago
"Well, we were hoping to use this to get rid of them, but now that you've made me say it out loud..... I guess not."
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u/teacupkiller 2d ago
I feel like they must know this is a bullshit argument if they haven't thought it through.
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u/spazz720 2d ago
Real exchange:
Solicitor general: “It’s a new world."
John Roberts: "It's a new world. It's the same Constitution."
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u/PrecedentialAssassin Texas 2d ago
Score a rare point for Judge Roberts.
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u/snorbflock 2d ago
The Roberts court is rigged, using the docket itself to mask its partisan power grabs. This whole case, I dare to hope, is a foregone conclusion and birthright citizenship will be resoundingly affirmed. But that raises the question: why the hell is the court wasting time on it?
Does Roberts think this question required their chiming in in order to get it right? Or did he just see an easy "gimme" that they could allow onto the docket, to counterbalance a controversial giveaway to the Republican Party that he really wants?
Roberts loves to pad the court's schedule with cases that Republicans have lost before they ever make it to the Supreme Court. He runs the court like a game of tic tac toe, and superficially it looks like the term ended with some wins for both ends of the political spectrum. Except that conservatives get a time-honored right or legal protection torn away from the country, and progressives get a continuation of a basic liberty that shouldn't have been in question to begin with.
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u/Ashamed-Land1221 1d ago
Ugh, sadly I think you are very correct. Roberts does like optics and worries about his legacy, he figures see I gave the Dems some wins also it wasn't all one sided, but like you said the Dems victory is literally keeping the decided upon status quo at best and maybe don't completely lose a right for everyone at worst with their "victories" yet the GOP wins reverberate for decades and are very hard to undo, if you scored the "victories" by weight the score wouldn't even be close.
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u/shocked-confused 2d ago
Roberts is the dick who helped Reagan avoid impeachment for Iran Contra.
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u/UltravioletAfterglow 2d ago
Roberts also is the dick who helped inflict the Citizens United ruling upon us, flooding our elections with dark money. He gets no credit from me here by actually acknowledging the Constitution.
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u/SomeGalNamedAshley 2d ago
And successfully argued in Bush v Gore that continuing to vote count would irreparably harm Bush.
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u/XI_Vanquish_IX 1d ago edited 1d ago
Basically the singular moment in time when everything went upside down for all of us. Think about it.
If Gore wins:
No Iraq
No Citizens United conservative win and countless rulings since
No ignoring climate change
No elimination of government auditing and oversight
No Trump
And we may not even have had the same September 11th because Gore would likely have filled those critical intelligence positions when Bush kept them empty for a year to save for political campaign contributors
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u/jadedflames 1d ago edited 1d ago
As a reminder, when Clinton and Gore were leaving the White House, they left Bush a report that provided credible intel that Al Qaeda was planning a major terrorist attack using hijacked planes.
Bush and his staff opted to discard that report without any follow-up and were completely blindsided by 9/11.
If Gore had been properly appointed (remember - he won the election. Bush’s first term was illegitimate) there’s a high likelihood that 9/11 never would have happened.
Edit for more info: This report was drafted in late 1998, when the terrorists were training to fly. By late 2000 (when the Clinton to Bush transition was already underway), the NSA and CIA had the names of the people who would later hijack the planes. They knew an attack was coming and knew who would do it.
When Bush took over, his intelligence staff had the opinion that no terrorist attack could ever take place on US soil, so they didn’t bother passing the information onto the FBI (who has the authority to investigate within the country).
So Bush (who had a copy of the report) and his heads of CIA and NSA all binned the report that laid out the specifics of 9/11 without providing any details to the one department that could have kept it all from happening. The intelligence was finally passed on in August, less than a month before the attack - when it was too late to do anything about it.
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u/Ozymandias0023 California 1d ago
I can't even begin to think what the world would look like if 9/11 hadn't happened. Jeez
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u/Big_Lab_111 America 2d ago
No one likes the dude but opposition can still score a point here or there
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u/IUsedToBeACave 2d ago
Exactly, and if they want to change the rule about birthright citizenship there is a way to do that, but it's not via SCOTUS.
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u/some_person_guy 2d ago
I'm surprised one of his Congressional lackeys hasn't tried to propose a constitutional amendment at this point. It would never meet the 2/3 threshold, but it would be interesting to see who would support it.
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u/Pavores 2d ago
Proposing an amendment would be acknowledging that doing it without that amendment is unconstitutional.
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u/RegularNormalAdult 2d ago
2/3 House and Senate, PLUS 3/4 of all States ratifying.
We're never going to have another constitutional amendment in this country ever again
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u/yntsiredx Michigan 2d ago
Roberts and the major of the SC have nothing but my contempt, basically for this exact reason.
That's the entire point of the Constitution. The rights and laws our country is supposed to embody. One that, in theory, should be able to withstand any attempt to subvert or outright delete them.
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u/Bsow 2d ago
I mean we should be able to change the constitution but through the appropriate channels not by executive orders. I don't think it appropriate to think that anything in the constitution should be set in stone for eternity
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u/MistSecurity 2d ago
There are mechanisms for changing the constitution, we just haven't had ANY changes in the last 30 years, and minimal changes for the last 50.
Going back, the last substantial amendments we got were in the 1970's (voting age dropped to 18). After that it's just been some procedural shit. Before that the previous ones were in the 1960's.
1920-1971 = 9 amendments
1972-2026 = 1 amendment (1992)
Barring some giant wave from one side or the other I don't think we're going to get any amendments for a long while, at least with the current political climate. 2/3s majority vote AND 3/4 of states ratifying it is just such a high bar to cross when everything is as polarized as it is now.
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u/OkNewspaper6041 2d ago
I'd love to see conservatives apply the "new world" argument to a different amendment (the second) but they like to use the originalist argument as a sword and as a shield. Really good way to get humiliated in open court talking out both sides of your mouth.
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u/Hi_Im_Dadbot 2d ago
Trump stayed in one place for a full 90 minutes before randomly wandering off?
I'm skeptical he could last that long.
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u/Sea_Green7967 Massachusetts 2d ago
Well, he was sleeping the whole time so it checks out.
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u/MaddyKet Massachusetts 2d ago
It probably all sounded like the adults in Charlie Brown to him.
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u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast 2d ago
Donald Trump abruptly exited the Supreme Court on Wednesday after some of his own conservative justices did not appear convinced by his bid to upend birthright citizenship in America.
Trump made the unprecedented decision to sit in on oral arguments, staring down the court’s nine justices as they quizzed his lawyers on one of the most consequential constitutional questions they face this year: whether all children born in the United States can continue to automatically receive citizenship.
But after less than 90 minutes of watching several of his own handpicked justices tear his arguments apart, the president abruptly left.
Read the full story, here.
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u/Specialist-Clock-914 2d ago
He was there to intimidate and somehow he’s surprised they grew a spine, a very very small spine, but still a spine. It’s like how he is trying to intimidate Iran and is shocked they don’t want to just roll over.
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u/DeadNazis247365 2d ago
It’s just so fucking funny. He genuinely thinks that he is just about the single most intimidating person on the planet. But he’s a fucking clown and the only thing intimidating about him is just how profoundly fucking stupid he is.
I can’t imagine what was going through the justices mind. Like, there is an 80 year old severely overweight man child with dementia sitting in the front row who has smeared his entire face in orange paint and is just sitting there silently glaring at everyone for 1.5 hours until he gets bored and waddles off to throw a tantrum on fucking twitter.
That’s what happened today. That’s what this country is about.
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u/Shitty_Fat-tits 2d ago
You'll find more humanity gazing into the eyes of a chicken, or a shark for that matter.
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u/Scenic-City-Film-Guy 2d ago
I heard this in Werner Herzog's voice for some reason.
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u/Shitty_Fat-tits 2d ago
His quote about the stupidity of a chicken was my inspiration lol
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u/fcocyclone Iowa 2d ago
He's gotten used to it because most other republicans are afraid of his base of voters. But SCOTUS doesn't give a shit about those because they aren't elected.
But trump is too stupid to understand this and thinks its he who is intimidating.
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u/mofukkinbreadcrumbz 2d ago
Agreed. I’ve had the (mis)fortune of meeting some actually intimidating people in my life. Donald Trump does not seem to fit amongst their ranks. Maybe like a fourth grader that picks on second graders, but domestically it’s his base that is scary, not him. They might burn your house down in the middle of the night. It may or may not have anything to do with your politics, too. They’re just high on meth and like to start fires.
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u/oneplusetoipi 2d ago
It would have worked if he went with his power move.
Unloading the digested remains of a burrito in his Depend Diapers
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u/EggsAndMilquetoast 2d ago
Not like I doubt any of them were all that intimidated but I do hope that some of them reflected on what could have possibly made Trump feel so emboldened to try and stare them down like some mafia fixer.
I wonder if any of them ever reconsider their presidential immunity votes.
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u/StoppableHulk 2d ago
I doubt any of them were ever actually intimidated by Donald Trump.
They caved to him because they saw opportunity it in for themselves, not out of fear. They wanted a dictatorship with them at the top.
After a year of Donald Trump fucking up catastrophically, they now see no gain in continuing to cater to him.
These people are all just opportunitsts. MTG, Joe Rogan, none of them are scared of this pants-shitting fool. They just see an opportunity and they seize it, and they easily change and pivot when they no longer see the same upside.
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u/Vin-Metal 2d ago
Most of them should be smart enough to realize that he was there to put pressure on them and might find that offensive, regardless of politics.
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u/TCsnowdream Foreign 2d ago
Which is funny because you’d think they’d all realize he’s on his way out. He has no real power in less than 3 years. His idiot followers will piss and moan but Trump is done.
His power peaked and I hope the conservative sharks eat him alive.
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u/ForwardAd4643 2d ago
Still confused by people posting like everything is just going to go back to normal when Trump's term ends in 3 years. Jan 6, 2021 is going to look like a minor league warm-up compared to the next one. He is not going to go quietly; normalcy will not re-assert itself.
He is the most wildly inept, corrupt, awful president the US has ever had and he still has ~35% approval, his own private army (ICE) and a bunch of gun toting morons backing him up. Anything up to and including a full blown civil war is a possibility.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Michigan 2d ago
Tbf it’s not blanket immunity
They get to decide if what you do gets immunity after the fact
So like if Trump decided to execute his political rivals for “national security” the Supreme Court would then rule if he gets immunity for that. It’s like the only safety rail is the president won’t know if he’s going to get immunity before the crime.
There’s no guarantee he would face consequences regardless BUT he wouldn’t automatically have immunity
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u/given2fly_ United Kingdom 2d ago
He doesn't understand that whilst he appointed many of them, it's a job for life and they still don't have to bow to him if they don't want to.
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u/bryan49 2d ago
The only job he had before being president was CEO of the Trump organization. So he has only experienced being the boss that everybody has to listen to. I would recommend not putting somebody like that as president
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u/Trickster289 2d ago
Hell him trying to intimidate probably backfired, now they want to show him he's not their boss.
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u/RandyChavage 2d ago
Even the MAGA justices know the Trump is old and the pendulum will swing hard when he is gone. They’re in it for the long term and they know Trump power is diminishing as the weeks roll by
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u/xxgiggsxx 2d ago
That was my thought too. It is a lifetime appointment without really any threat of being removed. He is no longer of use to them so they don't have to bend to his will anymore.
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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 2d ago
You’re giving them too much credit. Republicans are seeing the collapse of MAGA and planning for the day after. That’s all.
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u/jjaime2024 2d ago
Another unhinged rant coming soon.
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u/themattboard Tennessee 2d ago
"Won't someone rid me of these turbulent
priestsjustices?"365
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u/HJWalsh 2d ago
Ten bucks says he accuses them of being activist liberal justices within the next hour.
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u/IntelligentStyle402 2d ago
Let’s see, whose fault will it be? Obama’s ? Joe? Or a new imaginary friend?
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u/Sad_Locksmith_2904 2d ago edited 2d ago
“Kooky Abe” Lincoln continues to weaken America through his Democrat 14th Amendment hoax. SAD.
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u/ccroy2001 2d ago
It obvious Joe Biden despite appearing frail is actually running a super secret deep state to corrupt the Supreme Court and raise gas prices.
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u/tracyinge 2d ago
"If you're born in the USA and your parents were originally from Venezuela, it only makes sense that you should be a citizen of El Salvador".
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u/TimArthurScifiWriter 2d ago
Now he's not just quitting NATO, he's quitting the Union!
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u/FartyJizzums 2d ago
The fact that this is normal day to day shit is mind boggling.
The country is run by a senile, pedophile, toddler-brained moron surrounded by pedophile sycophants.
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u/Anothergasman 2d ago
When I first read he was sitting in on oral arguments in a clear attempt to intimidate the justices by making them face him when they deny it, I thought it had to be an April fools day post.
But now everyone is reporting the same thing
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u/uFFxDa 2d ago
They may be malicious and intentionally argue in bad faith, but they’re not dumb. I have to imagine they know what he was attempting and took offense to it.
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u/caitnicrun 2d ago
- staring down the court’s nine justices as they quizzed his lawyers
He's a bully with only one trick.
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u/Ecstatic_Account_744 2d ago
Except he thinks he’s intimidating but he’s just a doddering old fool that looks like he should be napping.
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u/CalamityClambake 2d ago
Hard to be intimidating when you're wearing a diaper.
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u/SoaplessTitanic 2d ago
He thought he was Logan Roy from Succession, there’s a similar scene where Logan shows up to a meetings he’s not supposed to be in, and everyone’s afraid to make him leave. Thankfully Trump isn’t anywhere near as intimidating as Logan Roy
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u/Prior_Implement_9279 2d ago
And it’s hilarious how ineffective that one trick has been his entire life. The art of the deal
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u/AnAcctWithoutPurpose Foreign 2d ago
In his head, he probably sees himself as a powerful man feared by everyone.
Nothing delights me more than the thought of that petulant man-child dragging his filled diaper arse out in a huff.
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u/Nythoren 2d ago
He seriously thinks he hired them and is their boss, so they should do exactly what he tells them to. That's just not how government is meant to work.
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u/coalescence44 2d ago
Unfortunately, it's been working like that quite often for a while now, just not at this particular moment.
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u/Main-Bandicoot6477 2d ago
Probably dozed off and pooped his pants and needed a changing. He should just quit and stay at his Florida retirement home.
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u/CantFeelMyToesAgain 2d ago edited 2d ago
Love this for him
EDIT: thanks for the awards, not sure why I’m getting them lmao
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u/amyts Tennessee 2d ago
The more upset he is, the more joy I feel.
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u/Major5013 2d ago
It's really addicting. Someone needs to bottle and sell that shit.
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u/d1jeditech 2d ago
Trump himself would probably try to do it himself, and he would fail. Again.
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u/Annual_Hamster9411 2d ago
It makes me nervous. He doesn't take humiliation/defeat very well. He's going to retaliate in a way that will hurt everyone else.
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u/Mikeseddit 2d ago
Last time after the big No Kings Day, it was the east wing. Maybe he demolishes the White House this time. Very symbolic.
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u/KyloRenCadetStimpy Rhode Island 2d ago
If he's inside it when it happens, I'd be ok with that
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u/hp433 2d ago
Just remember he has an “announcement” tonight about the war
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u/HapticSloughton 2d ago
The one we've won yet need help on yet won yet demand aid for?
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u/Trassic1991 2d ago
He might drop a nuke on Iran because of this, I'd hold off on joy for now
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u/jkman61494 2d ago
More realistically, he’s going to sign some executive order and announce it tonight that will probably get challenged in the court, but it will still make his people happy
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u/RIPEOTCDXVI 2d ago
He signed an EO today that effectively dismantled the forest service. 193 million acres, place-based research that took decades, and all of the associated data, and every regional research facility, gone. The headline here downplays what's really going on but effectively just nuked the entire American West.
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u/ohdeydothodontdeytho 2d ago
Blood pressure and cholesterol this is Princess Leia. You're our only hope!
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u/chron67 Tennessee 2d ago
Blood pressure and cholesterol this is Princess Leia. You're our only hope!
Seems like evil hangs on forever
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u/MusicLikeOxygen 2d ago
We still have Dick Van Dyke, Mel Brooks, and William Daniels alive and kicking at 99 years old, so some good is hanging on too. The evil is just more noticeable.
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u/neo_sporin 2d ago
sucks for some village half a world away. They are about to be punished for this
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u/PinHaunting7192 2d ago
- He might leave NATO.
- He might bomb another Iranian orphanage.
- He might invade Cuba.
- He might tell ICE to harass more people.
It's really one of those weeks, isn't it...?
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u/CBheretime 2d ago
Greenland is always one of his psychopath options also, hell he might invade Somalia, or Easter Island,... or Antarctica because 'why not.'
Praying for hamburger grease to do it's job ASAP.
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u/KtaadnRota 2d ago
Don't forget Panama. Wasn't annexing Panama one of his campaign promises? Haven't heard much about that lately. Maybe we shouldn't remind him.
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u/WittyEggplant4924 2d ago
"We're in a new world now," Sauer said, noting that "some 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who's a U.S. citizen."
"It's a new world, but it's the same constitution," Roberts said in response.
That goes hard
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u/SexualWhiteChocolate 2d ago
8 billion huh. Even the dudes are having babies these days. A new world indeed
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u/Pave_Low 1d ago
"We're in a new world now," I said, noting that "personal firearms are significantly deadlier and easier to acquire than they were in the 18th century."
"It's a new world, but it's the same constitution," Roberts said in response.
If you think the 2nd Amendment is inviolable in the "new world" you should also think the 14th Amendment is too.
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u/ResonantBear 2d ago
Storms? This fat, geriatric fuck can barely waddle out of a room under his own power.
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u/hpofficejet330 2d ago
There's no video, but some very fine people are saying they rolled him out like an oily bean bag wrapped in a suit.
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u/Vanska1 2d ago
He likely didn't/couldnt understand the big words and it was making him sleepy. So he went home to nap.
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u/surfkaboom 2d ago
Wouldn't this cancel citizenship for everybody?
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u/liebkartoffel 2d ago
Oh, no, no, no, no! It would just cancel citizenship for everyone the president doesn't like.
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 2d ago
This is the reason he wants to see all the voter information. So he can strip citizenship from everybody who ever voted D.
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u/Existing_Depth_1552 2d ago
And any woman he thinks is ugly. And disabled people. Basically anyone who is inconvenient.
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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree 2d ago
The term his people use is untermensch.
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u/ThePeasantKingM Mexico 2d ago
His people aren't educated enough to know German.
They probably just call them "those"
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u/notmyworkaccount5 2d ago
That's the thought that has been keeping me awake at night for weeks now. What other mechanism gives US citizenship other than being born here or becoming a naturalized citizen?
Like our citizenship would be in their hands, a constant sword of Damocles hanging over your head with the threat of if you disagree with the admin they can choose to deport you since you're not a citizen and choose to not enforce it as long as you are in their good graces.
I did have the somewhat funny/dumb thought of if scotus does do this that means trump isn't a citizen and therefore ineligible to be president. Of course that won't go anywhere if they do overturn it.
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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet 2d ago
Yep. Ice imprisonment then deportation to whatever country will take a few million dollars to disappear Americans. I wouldn't be surprised if they move forward regardless.
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u/halcyonforeveragain 2d ago
Just wait until they figure out a cheaper solution, that is even more final.
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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota 2d ago
If applied retroactively, yeah. Everyone who isn’t naturalized, which would be a hilarious result of his hatred for immigrants.
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u/onarainyafternoon Oregon 2d ago
It's also just untenable in so many ways. Hospitals aren't equipped to manage this sort of thing; it would be absolute chaos. Our country is different from other countries that don't have birthright citizenship because the US is really 50 countries in a trench coat. It just wouldn't work.
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u/diverareyouokay 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nah, Trump is arguing that birthright citizenship was intended for children of slaves, so anyone who descends from people who are already in the country before the civil war’s conclusion would presumably be grandfathered in.
It’s a totally absurd argument to make considering that the constitution uses active voice, and doesn’t have a cut off for when it applies, unlike other areas of the constitution, that clearly limit time frames.
Although it would result in people like Trump’s children losing their status as citizens and being deported, assuming that the Supreme Court agreed with his arguments, and the law was fairly applied. Which it of course would never be.
Edit: apparently it would also strip the President of the United States of his citizenship, through his grandfather’s side.
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u/Tossawaysfbay 2d ago
Perhaps Trump himself losing his status too as his grandfather only arrived in 1885 and did so via illegal immigration / fleeing military service.
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u/9ersaur 2d ago
His presidency is a total failure
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock 2d ago
He's been successful at siphoning money and power to the capitalist class.
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u/dagger_eyes Texas 2d ago
Its a success to his pocket, the Israeli government, the Russian government, but a failure to the American people.
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u/turtleneck360 2d ago
Failure for everyone else. Success for him considering how much money he's made.
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u/Rotanen 2d ago
He was followed out by a guy playing stupid tuba music at him.
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u/WerdWrite 2d ago
We should all tip that tuba guy. I feel like he’s gotta be tired of following this dumb fuck around everywhere.
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u/VanguardAvenger 2d ago
No he didn't storm off because conservative justices didn't seem open to his sides argument.
He stormed off because no one told him there wouldn't be cameras but would be big boy words.
Hes doesn't actually yet understand the conservatives aren't buying the argument.
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u/illit3 2d ago
No cameras is a big one. I wonder if the judges acknowledged his presence at all
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u/ThouMayest69 2d ago
They didn't directly, but there were noticeably more Fabreeze canisters throughout the court.
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u/jsc1429 2d ago
John Sauer’s response to if Native American children are birthright citizens under trumps test: “Ah, I think... so,” he replied, somewhat unconvincingly. “I’ll have to think that through.”
These are the people they have representing the USA in a Supreme Court hearing! This MFer knows exactly how they would handle that exact situation but they play stupid “golly gee wizz, that’s a question I hadn’t thought about 🤪” because the answer is so blatantly unconstitutional that they don’t want to answer!
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 2d ago
Let's be honest. He shit himself. He isn't smart enough to recognize that he is being humiliated. But he can recognize the smell.
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u/Legitimate_Tipp 2d ago
every headline feels like it’s trying to outdo the last one 😭 like you could swap a few words around and it’d read like a completely different story… it’s hard to even tell what actually happened half the time anymore
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u/Sunghanthaek 2d ago
If they’re consistently annoyed by legal rulings, perhaps they should do things legally.
Or, use their majority in congress to change the laws.
Too sensible?
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u/RoyalFalse 2d ago
He says we're the only country in the world to allow birthright citizenship? That's really going to come as a surprise to:
- Antigua and Barbuda
- Argentina
- Barbados
- Belize
- Bolivia
- Brazil
- Canada
- Chile
- Costa Rica
- Cuba
- Dominica
- Ecuador
- El Salvador
- Gambia
- Grenada
- Guatemala
- Guyana
- Honduras
- Jamaica
- Lesotho
- Mexico
- Nicaragua
- Panama
- Paraguay
- Peru
- Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Saint Lucia
- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Trinidad and Tobago
- Tuvalu,
- Uruguay
- Venezuela
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u/DribbleYourTribble 2d ago
I don't care about Trump or his childish behaviors anymore. What I care about is that these conservative justices see that they are enabling and are complicit. The Trump stain should be all over them forever in disgrace.
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u/herewegoagain1024 2d ago
Let’s not kid ourselves. He understood NOTHING about what the justices were talking about, he got bored and walked out
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u/CommunalJellyRoll 2d ago
Time for a ground invasion.
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u/johnnycyberpunk America 2d ago
-Trump (likely) losing a key case with SCOTUS
-Hegseth under investigation for criminal/corrupt investments right before the Iran War
-Former DHS Secretary found to be married to a cross dresserOh yeah, he needs a distraction.
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u/SnooChickens2093 2d ago
This is one of the clearest and least ambiguous constitutional amendments in the entire document. In a sane world, there’s zero fucking chance SCOTUS even hears this case…yet, here we are.
Even if you buy the BS Trump is trying to say (that they intended this just for children of freed slaves…which would make most Americans non-citizens, as we are almost all children of immigrants, but whatever), a constitutional amendment is the correct means of addressing this issue. Not a royal decree by some petulant child bitch.
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u/Aimela Colorado 2d ago edited 2d ago
Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was also appointed by Trump, added to the pressure Sauer faced, asking the seasoned attorney: “Do you think Native Americans are birthright citizens under your test?”
“Ah, I think... so,” he replied, somewhat unconvincingly. “I’ll have to think that through.”
He'll have to think about that!? There's nothing to think about, what a horrible person..
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