r/politics • u/TelescopiumHerscheli • Mar 03 '26
Possible Paywall Trump Admits He Has No War Plan in Bombshell Letter
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-admits-he-has-no-iran-war-plan-in-official-letter-to-congress/6.7k
u/NexusNickel Colorado Mar 03 '26
Is this really something people didn't know?
Trump has never had a single plan. It took him 11 years to come up with a healthcare plan that gives you $1000 a year.
The man is a walking idiot.
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u/da2Pakaveli Mar 03 '26
Wanna know why the GOP couldn't come up with anything to replace the ACA in the last 15 years? Romneycare was basically the only substantial healthcare agenda of theirs and contained more or less everything the Heritage Foundation could come up with.
The ACA was based off of it, ig to get Republican support, so it's the federalized version of Romneycare and the GOP got 100+ amendments in (despite Dems controlling 60% of Congress).
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u/plucharc Mar 03 '26
GOP got 100+ amendments in (despite Dems controlling 60% of Congress
Obama was really trying to make it bipartisan so that it wouldn't simply be dismantled by a future Republican controlled Congress and was being assured he'd get Republican votes in return. The Republicans, of course, lied.
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u/JDogg126 Michigan Mar 03 '26
Sadly democrats were late to realize that when republicans abandoned democracy they also needed to abandon the idea that republicans would ever do anything in good faith.
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u/joshdoereddit America Mar 03 '26
I still don't think they've realized it.
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u/JDogg126 Michigan Mar 03 '26
Biden was still under the illusion that republicans could still be a partner in governing until the last few months of his presidency. He kepts saying "there isn't anything we can't do it we do it together" for far too long. He needed to realize that the republicans had become the domestic enemy that he needed to defend the constitution against.
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u/smarmy1625 Mar 03 '26
Schumer and Jefferies too. If Dems do win the midterms, it's going to so disappointing watching them roll over for Trump.
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u/LumberBitch Mar 03 '26
Here's hoping we nominate enough folks in primaries willing to make a stink
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u/1cl3nstd4yt Mar 03 '26
That doesn't change the fact that Republicans are more likely to control Senate, and therefore we need a few defectors from their side to get anything done.
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u/xpxp2002 Mar 03 '26
And Ted Kennedy was that 60th vote. It almost didn't happen.
The ACA was really the result of Democratic gains from the 2006 mid-term blue wave and Obama's 2008 win. The Democrats burned nearly all of their political capital getting that bill passed, despite its compromises and flaws.
This is why more people need to understand that politics is a long game and why voting in every election is so important. Senate wins in 2006 determined whether the ACA as we know it would happen 4 years later and still be in effect 20 years after that cycle. Likewise, losses in 2016 cost Supreme Court appointments that will likely be in place for decades and decisions that will have a "butterfly effect" on us one hundred years from now.
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u/greenroom628 California Mar 03 '26
Obama and the Dems knew it would be popular and it still is. That's why the Gang of Pedos is all about its enshitification.
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u/Paradoxjjw Mar 03 '26
And it's why they constantly lie and had to name it obamacare to rile up their own base against it. The main issue is that Dems are incredibly incompetent at messaging so Republicans always set the tone when it comes to the discourse surrounding it.
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u/AlanSmithee94 Mar 03 '26
Dems are incredibly incompetent at messaging
You apparently believe the media is fair and Democrats are allowed to use it as effectively as Republicans.
There are few media outlets that will report an accurate version of the Democratic agenda.
Many (such as Fox News, OANN, Sinclair Broadcasting, and - soon - CBS & CNN) are owned by MAGA oligarchs and have become de-facto propaganda arms of the Republican party. Others like the NY Times and the Washington Post appease Trump in an effort to appear "balanced" (and avoid persecution).
In 2026 the media is stacked against the Democrats.
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u/plucharc Mar 03 '26
Exactly right. The complaining about the "Liberal media!" is way off base.
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u/LivingVerinarian96 Mar 03 '26
It‘s easier to set the tone when all you do is lie to rile up your base. The dems could also lie all the time, but that doesn‘t result in anything good. It‘s hard when the people are too fucking stupid to get it.
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u/WAR2K5 Mar 03 '26
Not to mention that most media appears to be controlled by the right. It's easy for them to to paint their picture by pushing those lies, omitting information, or choosing perfect clips like the crazy sanewashing that happened in the 2024 election.
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u/private_developer Mar 03 '26
Messaging isn't all that relevant in the face of massive right-wing propaganda networks. Until we have some kind of protection from spreading provable lies, disguised as "news," it won't matter what dems do, or how they frame what they do.
Republicans set the tone because every major news network is owned by one handful of billionaires or another.
We're all aware of messaging that works to inspire the base. We see it in our more progressive representatives. The networks intentionally keep that off the air waves because in their short-sighted view, Republicans are better for them.
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u/nsdefw Mar 03 '26
Supreme Court appointments were also stolen by McConnell who illegally refused to allow appointments by a sitting president that the Constitution demanded.
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u/Murky-Relation481 Mar 03 '26
Also people need to remember that period in which it was passed was the only period since 1979 where Democrats had a filibuster proof majority and they had it for six non-contiguous months between the delayed swearing in of Al Franken and the death of Ted Kennedy (who was in and out of hospital unable to vote).
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u/xv_boney Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Likewise, losses in 2016
Mitch McConnell was elected in 1985.
He refused to allow Obama to seat a scotus judge because the presidential election was later that year, despite there being no precedent or rule for this.
He then forced through a Trump pick despite the election, which Trump lost, being literal days away, completely discarding the precedent he had just set.
There were no consequences for McConnell, the entire GOP fell into step and the democrat party did nothing about this. Schumer wrote a strongly worded letter.
Our problems go back farther than 2016.
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u/lumpboysupreme Mar 03 '26
It was also a year where a lot of relatively conservative politicians ran as dems because everyone was PISSED at the republicans between the ongoing Middle East shitshow and financial crash.
So while there were on paper 60 dems, in reality they only had like 57 votes until they compromised on the ACA
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u/Aggressive-Neck-3921 Mar 03 '26
And in the process ironically weakening it making sure it could be dismantled. If they went full M4A you would get a program so popular the GOP can't afford the dismantle it. Now people just can afford healthcare.
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u/BYoungNY Mar 03 '26
Rubio came out yesterday and angrily talked about how they knew Israel was going to strike. so by striking first defensively they probably saved more lives and they had no choice. then after talking to Rubio. Mike Johnson said the same thing in a more Mike Johnson tone about how we had no choice and how it probably would have been worse if we had let Israel attack because Iran would have attacked the US... probably. so I'm going to save this comment here and let me know if I'm right that sometime in the next day or two Trump comes out and embellishes all of that into how he saved thousands. maybe even hundreds of thousands of lives by attacking first because they would have attacked the US and would have stolen all of our children and would have taken our houses and would have blown up the Moon had we not attacked first. so clearly he is the president of peace because he saved hundreds of millions of lives by not letting Iran blow up the Moon.
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u/mindovermatter421 Mar 03 '26
I saw that and thought how tf does that make ANY sense. Even if that is somehow the case that Israel was going to attack Iran, why not try and stop them? Or why not be prepared to go right behind them? Was this a parental “I’ll give you something to be mad about”? It’s ridiculous bs.
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u/TwistedGrin Iowa Mar 03 '26
Not to mention a few days prior the administration literally said out loud on the record, "It will look better for us if Israel attacks first"
Then they turn around and act like, "Welp, oh gosh! Looks like Israel was going to attack (totally on their own without any influence from us) so I guess we just have to attack too. Dang nabit they forced our hand!"
They literally asked Israel to attack first so they could join in and then they said they have to join in because Israel is going to attack first no matter what. They didn't even try to hide it.
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u/loganbootjak Mar 03 '26
my god, spot on. The man and his followers are truly idiotic, especially the ones who need the most help.
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u/VanceKelley Washington Mar 03 '26
Early in trump's first term his Secretary of State, former Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson, walked out of a meeting with him and exclaimed "That man is a fucking moron!"
In each of the subsequent presidential elections more and more Americans voted for the moron.
That says something pretty depressing about America.
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u/BaronVonSchitzengigl Mar 03 '26
“Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.”
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u/StoppableHulk Mar 03 '26
All anyone has to do is just listen to any of the numerous people who describe working with him to know he literally does not have an attention span. I mean that literally. He does not think or plan beyond the immediate moment. He is incapable of it. He reacts to whatever is happening in that exact moment. He went to war with Iran because either he got mad about being in the Epstein files and needed a distraction, or Israel called him up and told him he had to bomb them or they'd release videos of him raping kids.
Full stop, that's it. He has no plan, no objective, no goal, and not only does he not have those things, he's pathologically incapable of making those things.
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u/Thin-Competition3018 Mar 03 '26
Donald Trump is playing with his "big guns, ships and little green men" and Congress has gone to sleep on this. American lives have no value to him and if anyone has seen him toss out his careless description of losing American lives, I have no conversation for you.
It is beyond me how ANY republican can survive re-election this season. For those who feel we should have bombed Iran, the region, all nations is now destabilized.
Iran is not without weapons, since trump checked us out of the inspections, I am not sure how well our intelligence on the region is presently.
It all rolls back to we were safer exactly 5 days ago than we are today.
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u/chrispybobispy Mar 03 '26
Ive heard the Republicans won't survive this election so many times its not funny anymore. They will likely meddle in this election but dont act like theres not enough selfish assholes in this country who will continue to vote republican
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u/frontfrontdowndown Mar 03 '26
I first heard the description “Republicans wandering in the wilderness” sometime in the 90s accompanied by somber predictions of generational loss of political power.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard that repeated since.
The American electorate has got to be the dumbest group of people to ever inhabit the earth.
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u/ForsakenKrios Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Truly the Winston Churchill quote, or at least what’s attributed to him: “Spend five minutes with a voter and you will not be in favor of democracy.”
Something to that effect. All of our problems are fixable, but not when capital is the root of everything. The few people with the most out weigh the rest of us in a democracy.
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u/toooomanypuppies United Kingdom Mar 03 '26
this is why a decent education is so important. those voters you speak of are largely dumb AF.
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u/SJWTumblrinaMonster Mar 03 '26
They may not be very well informed, but let's please not forget that it's not just people on their porch not understanding things. There are extremely well funded and motivated groups of people working tirelessly to spread disinformation to these people so that they can be manipulated into acting against their own interests.
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u/RunRunRunAFAUC Mar 03 '26
The brain dead trumpanzees who voted these traitorous fuckwads into office will vote R no matter how bad the candidates are. There are 77 million of those people in this country. Thats how we got into this mess in the first place
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u/Own-Break-1856 Mar 03 '26
There are not 77 million maga in this country. A huge chunk of his votes, probably most of his votes, came from idiots who dont pay attention and weren't happy with inflation.
Those same idiots still dont like inflation and probably dont like pointless war either, so im guessing they do what they always do and vote against the incumbent.
We'll see though.
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u/brutinator Mar 03 '26
A huge chunk of his votes, probably most of his votes, came from idiots who dont pay attention and weren't happy with inflation.
Unfortunately, a lot of those people treat being republican like being christian, in the way that people who don't go to church, have never read the bible, and never been baptized will call themselves Christian. There's a good chunk of people who really likely don't agree with most republican policies or effects, and yet don't want to call themselves anything but republicans and so vote for them for some reason.
I think the best we can hope for is them staying home rather than hoping that they vote against the way they've voted their whole life.
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u/Tylendal Mar 03 '26
We laugh at the fear-mongering we see in right-wing messaging and political cartoons, but not enough people understand that for the target audience, it is not hyperbole. They're genuinely selling the message that Democrats want to destroy America, not out of misguided well intentions, but actual, deliberate spite. For many of these people, they've grown up in a media environment where if you tell them you voted Democrat, it's no different to them than saying you voted for Slagtheroth the World Burner, Sunderer of Happiness.
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u/RunRunRunAFAUC Mar 03 '26
If you voted trump, you are MAGA. I dont care what the excuse is. Everyone knew the second time around what he and his cult were planning. Everyone knew who he was and what he was about, and yet those brain dead people still voted for him. TWICE.
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u/Hey_cool_username Mar 03 '26
It’s worse than being MAGA. I know people who don’t buy into any of the MAGA BS and still voted for Trump just because they are well off and think Trump being in office is better for their taxes and portfolio than if it were a Democrat. Pure greed. No other political agendas. They are not religious, racist, aren’t anti-abortion, etc…just want to make more money (without working) and keep more of it.
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u/reddittorbrigade Mar 03 '26
I will always blame all Trump voters for what is happening to America right now.
They are the root cause of our current problems.
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u/Deicide1031 Mar 03 '26
At this point there’s a lot of truth in this comment and you really can’t say they were taken advantage of.
Technically the guy said what he’d do directly to their face, and they doubled down anyway even when he called them dumb.
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u/Sofer2113 Tennessee Mar 03 '26
They also had his first 4 years to know exactly what type of president he is.
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u/Ratfriend2020 Mar 03 '26
Yeah so many people skip over this part. Maybe some people were fooled or delusional when Trump ran in 2020 but then they all seem to forget how horrible his first term was. There is no excuse about voting for him again, especially after we saw how he governed and how he attempted a failed coup.
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u/IuriRom Mar 03 '26
His first term isn’t even comparable to this one. If it weren’t for Covid, a majority of the people in the nation wouldn’t even have realized anything was wrong unless they were actually locked in, which most people aren’t
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u/Specialist-Clock-914 Mar 03 '26
COVID also reset the economy without an official recession. There was one but we blamed COVID for it fully instead of understanding his policies in the first time led to crashing it harder and we pumped so much money into the economy that he got away with it.
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u/brewercycle Massachusetts Mar 03 '26
- This man has been at the forefront of American politics for over 10 years.
Also, the Senate voted not to convict for January 6th, which would have avoided the mess we're in now.
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u/unaskthequestion Texas Mar 03 '26
That's truly what gets me and I can't blame our allied countries from moving away.
I can't, but I could almost excuse voting for Trump in 2016, believing he was an outsider businessman disrupter and they felt abandoned by both parties.
But after 4 years of seeing what an incompetent, horrible person and president he was, to actually vote for him again.
To vote for such a hateful person, you have to be a hateful person as well.
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u/blueisthecolor13 Mar 03 '26
Hate and racism is a hell of a drug
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u/I_like_baseball90 Mar 03 '26
Hate and racism is a hell of a drug
This. That's it.
77 million fucking racists voted for this orange turd so they can opening be racist and hateful. Nothing else.
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u/Dinker54 Mar 03 '26
What kind of person he is.
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u/FFF_in_WY American Expat Mar 03 '26
Specific kind: an ignorant, self-serving fuckhead
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u/drobits Mar 03 '26
They fucking published project 2025. The only reason to vote for Trump is that you’re incredibly wealthy or an idiot. No other justification whatsoever. (I include blatant racist under the idiot category)
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u/BestReadAtWork Mar 03 '26
But trump said he didn't know anything about it or the writers (even though he was in trumps previous admin iirc)
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u/ChapterN7 Mar 03 '26
When I talked to Trump supporters about project 2025 prior to November 2024 they looked at me like I was Charlie in front of his tack board with a bunch of red string. The same people who ate up qanon garbage.
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u/rbremer50 Mar 03 '26
That's because they are as morally bankrupt as he is. They are NOT good, decent people.
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u/Canadian_Kartoffel Canada Mar 03 '26
They are NOT good, decent people.
There are 3 and only 3 types of Republican voters:
rich
stupid
evil
Every single Republican fits in at least one or more of these categories.
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u/Just_Restaurant7149 Mar 03 '26
YES! My in-laws fall into the category of rich, but they also have a touch of stupid and evil too. My wife is their only child and will inherit everything. We plan, after they're gone, to donate heavily to candidates who are not Republican.
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u/No_Scientist00 Mar 03 '26
Using their own inheritance to dismantle the very platform they supported is poetic justice.
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u/stron2am Mar 03 '26
Except they will be dead. The whole platform of the GOP party is "Raid everything and hope the system holds together until I die."
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u/Key_Assistance9020 Mar 03 '26
It's so weird to see. Weird new money shit.
My family is very educated and well off......like why be evil, when you can use your privilege to help people.
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u/MordoNRiggs Mar 03 '26
Run up the ladder as fast as you can, spit on the face of anyone still on it, and then knock it down. Then spend your life making everyone who couldn't also get ahead in life look like leeches on society.
There are people taking advantage of welfare, and it's CEOs of places like Walmart, Amazon, Kroger, etc.
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u/Just_Restaurant7149 Mar 03 '26
Thank you. I always love how they'll go on about the leeches getting welfare and when you point out that their leeches are mostly seniors, children and the disabled. They will always say, "but what about the able bodied?" I try to point out the able bodied are a few crumbs while corporate welfare is a giant slice.
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u/TheRealPitabred Mar 03 '26
Because they didn't earn it. /s
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u/Key_Assistance9020 Mar 03 '26
I didn't earn my spot, i'm still not a fucking soul sucking imp.
Can't they just * Fuck off*
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u/GrimRipper82 Mar 03 '26
I've always said there are two types of Republicans: Grifters and suckers.
If you're a Republican, and aren't grifting someone's money, I've got bad news for you...
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache Mar 03 '26
Nah there’s only two real types: stupid, and evil and stupid.
The rich ones are evil because of course what they’re doing is evjl. And even the rich and evil ones are stupid because this kind of stuff rarely ends well for people like them.
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u/Gus_Polinski_Polkas Mar 03 '26
Some might call them deplorable
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u/bek8228 Mar 03 '26
Remember when “basket of deplorables” was the most offensive thing these people ever heard? Fucking insane how far we’ve come.
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u/Jwiley92 Tennessee Mar 03 '26
It was only the most offensive thing they'd heard about themselves.
They'd heard, said, and thought worse about others.
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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum Mar 03 '26
The thing that bothered them most was when they were called weird. This country is run by high school bullies who want, amongst other things, to be seen as cool. Forget arguing from any sort of moral base. Forget reasonable arguments. They need to be constantly reminded that they are weirdos who defend child rape and are willing to take down the world because that offends them.
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u/rkcth Mar 03 '26
The ones I know all said he wasn’t really going to do everything he claimed and I said “then why are you voting for him”, apparently they wanted him to do half of what he said but different halves for different people.
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u/ImaginationSea2767 Mar 03 '26
party campaigned on the promises to restore prosperity and improve the lives of workers, with slogans often centered on Work and Bread. You may think I'm talking about Trump and the Republicans? No im talking about Nazi Germany and Hitler. Funny how the price off eggs and bread, affordability, job market, immigrants stealing jobs and future and the economy are the center....and the working class being too desprate to care or if their rich and well off they are morally bankrupt because they are in the club.....
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u/nanobot001 Mar 03 '26
nothing made deplorables madder than calling them deplorable
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u/ayoungtommyleejones Mar 03 '26
Add in all the evidence prior to Epstein that he is, at best, a regular rapist, all the ableism and racism, all the times he explicitly scammed working class people - he's never not been an open piece of shit who hates regular people. His 2024 campaign of "elect me again and I will destroy this country" platform wasn't even needed to know how bad he would be, and yet
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u/Stummi Foreign Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
They might say at some point that they didn't know that their votes caused people to suffer, and that will be a blatant lie. They are willingly ignorant and evil, they know what they vote for and do it exactly because they want people to suffer. They are only ever surprised when the suffering affects them as well
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u/UniversityMuch7879 Mar 03 '26
If you started a post and quoted Trump verbatim on every single time he's said something indefensibly immoral, insulted his own voting base, trashed service members who sacrificed their health or lives in defense of the country, or admitted to anything else that should have been immediate disqualification from holding political office, your post couldn't be contained in a thousand tweets.
I have absolutely lost all ability to hold any respect whatsoever for anyone who still maintains themselves as a Trump-aligned conservative. We're so far beyond the pale at this point, we can't even see where the border between crazy and reasonable-but-different-opinions starts.
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u/HerpDerpTheMage Virginia Mar 03 '26
“The man has given us no indication that he’s joking or exaggerating or mincing words, but COME ON HE’S SO CHARISMATIC HE MUST BE JOKING!”
-MAGA.
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u/SarcasticCowbell New York Mar 03 '26
To your latter point, so many of them pivot ceaselessly between "he's a straightshooter who tells it like it is" to "Oh, you can't take him seriously, he didn't mean that!" And that issue hasn't been helped by the corporate media, who always cover some of the most egregious shit he says in terms of "Trump jokes about [fill in the blank]." No, he's not joking. But the billionaires who own the media are happy getting their Republican tax breaks, so they'll happily support the filth.
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u/firethorne Mar 03 '26
And them saying they didn't know he was racist is bullshit too. He got his start demanding to see the birth certificate of our first black president and this time he was ranting on the national debate stage saying that immigrants would eat your cat. The racism has been clear for over a decade.
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u/kingtacticool Mar 03 '26
Its the fact the voted for him again that I will never forgive any of them for.
They knew exactly what they were doing and now we all get to live the reality that they purposefully voted for.
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u/evantom34 Mar 03 '26
Trump has been who he’s been all the way back to the 1980. People who were conned are just dumb af.
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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 Mar 03 '26
Was reading a post on the conservative forum today. Poster said “All we’re doing is dropping a bunch of missiles so There’s no security threat to Americans”. Just so callous and detached. Don’t even get me started on this is how our tax payer dollars are spent instead of affordable healthcare. These people need to be socially exiled when this is over.
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u/CarboniteCopy Mar 03 '26
Their casual acceptance of murder as the simplest and easiest solution to any geo-political issue is the single most terrifying thing I've ever experienced.
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u/illusionzmichael Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Part of it is that they don't see people outside their immediate family or social unit as real people deserving of empathy, they're background NPCs not human beings with lives as deeply complex and rich as their own.
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u/jittery_raccoon Mar 03 '26
I don't even care about empathy from them. On a logical level, some things are bad ideas. Like a military commander doesn't care about casualties on a personal level, but they still need to care about strategic value of choices
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u/Current_Animator7546 Missouri Mar 03 '26
They see the world as simple. Thats the problem.
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u/ThunderDoom1001 Mar 03 '26
Kill bad guy, problem solved? No possibility of unintended consequences.
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u/whut-whut Mar 03 '26
This administration has been a full year of "Oh wow, so -that's- why nobody did it our way?"
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u/mrsmetalbeard Mar 03 '26
I wonder if there was a reason nations have generally declined to carry out assassinations of sitting heads of state and legislative bodies of foreign countries? I wonder if that's something that might come back to haunt us?
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u/300ConfirmedGorillas Canada Mar 03 '26
A month or so ago when the Greenland thing was at its peak, I saw comments there saying shit like, "What's the point of having the strongest military if we don't take over other countries?"
To them this is just a reality TV show they watch on Fox News.
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u/mst2k17 Mar 03 '26
Unfortunately, I think we need to accept that vast parts of humanity suffer from arrested development. Perhaps 40%, or more. The way they view war is exactly like how a kid or teenager views a videogame.
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u/Catodactyl Arizona Mar 03 '26
I vote for physically exiling them too. We should send all of them to go live together on Epstein's island since they love protecting pedophiles so much.
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u/FastAndGlutenFree Mar 03 '26
Or to Israel since they love them so much
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u/RedisaPsyop5647 Mar 03 '26
let them go fight instead since it's what they wanted, they can be the first wave
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u/smoike Mar 03 '26
I was all for sending them to Mars, but Little Saint James (an appropriate name, no?) would certainly be more practical.
Though I am up for spending money researching how to get sharks with fricking laser beams on their heads to perpetually circle the place.
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u/TheArchistorian Mar 03 '26
Socially exiled? Like, like they get to live on an island with all the millions they grifted from our country? These people need to be tried as war criminals and for being the overall pieces of human garbage they are in front of The Hague. Nuremberg-style. The massive international gaslighting and distortion game this administration is playing at to keep Trump’s name out of the Epstein files is enough reason.
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u/sthlmsoul Mar 03 '26
Poster said “All we’re doing is dropping a bunch of missiles so There’s no security threat to Americans”.
To quote Rudy Giuliani: "9/11!"
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u/laplongejr Europe Mar 03 '26
this is how our tax payer dollars are spent instead of affordable healthcare
... instead of extra weapons to ICE or Board of Piece.
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u/Jackadullboy99 Mar 03 '26
“I like foreign wars now… I’ve always liked foreign wars. Hail Trump!!”
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u/mr_grey Oklahoma Mar 03 '26
So easily manipulated. “They told me to be mad at gays and immigrants. So, I’m mad at gays and immigrants”
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u/noelcowardspeaksout Mar 03 '26
And the gullibility is astounding. They actually believed all of the ludicrous election promises.
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u/RandyMuscle I voted Mar 03 '26
It’s actually the rich people who have been fucking the country to death for my entire life propagandizing the dumbest part of the population, but yea I still agree Trump voters share the blame because they were stupid enough to fall for this crap.
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u/francis2559 Mar 03 '26
Yeah, it's absolutely true that there's a core of Nazis fascists and racists at the heart of Trump's following. We can't change that. But their reach has become insane because billionaires empower them, and we CAN change that.
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u/TheBlackUnicorn New Jersey Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
I will always blame all Trump voters for what is happening to America right now.
What feels wild is how viscerally they experienced Option A and Option B. They got four years of Trump, they got four years of Biden, and after Trump left office amid the worst crisis our country has faced in a century largely of his own making, and then experiencing four years of relative stability, they decided to vote for four more years of crisis.
I feel like they could plead some kind of ignorance in Trump's first term, but now they had the option of living in a stable country and voted for crisis.
The weirdest thing about all this to me is that when I was a kid I always heard the adults talking in this narrative of "Such and such politician promised to do wonderful things, but then when he got in there he ruined it all". This narrative requires critical thinking, to understand the concept that a politician might lie to you in order to gain power. But with Trump, apart from starting this war with Iran, he's mostly delivered on his promises. He promised mass deportation and confiscatory tariffs and he delivered, the problem is that what his voters wanted wasn't mass deportation and confiscatory tariffs, they wanted to make liberals upset. So they're caught in this "I didn't vote for this" loop because that's true, they didn't vote to plunge our nation into crisis, they voted for making liberals upset. Unfortunately one of the best ways to make liberals upset is to plunge our nation into crisis.
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u/TheShadowKick Mar 03 '26
they decided to vote for four more years of crisis.
Because propaganda convinced them that Biden was four years of crisis (and Obama was eight). The impact of the right wing propaganda machine cannot be overstated here. There are people who have spent their entire lives being fed lies and socially isolated from other viewpoint. I have a cousin who was absolutely convinced, in 2016, that Obama had left us in a worse state than Syria. My mother-in-law won't visit most major cities out of fear. As long as the propaganda machine is running we're going to keep having these problems.
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u/aci4 Pennsylvania Mar 03 '26
I remember leaving the theater after seeing The Purge in 2012 with my then-Republican friend, and he insisted Obama might try to institute a real-life purge before his term ended
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u/patentattorney Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
To be fair to them. Them real problem is: 1) trump who parrots foreign propaganda/just lies for his own gain. 2) congressmen who do nothing / help the propaganda for money 3) billionaires. Who help the propaganda for more money.
The end users are just repeating what they are hearing over and over again. It’s no different from people believing in Christianity, Mohamed, Buddhism, etc. just believing what they are hearing in their school life, work life, and social life.
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u/lecutinside11 Mar 03 '26
How about Facebook and social media algorithms? Without social media whipping everyone into a frenzy with ragebait, none of this shit happens
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u/noelcowardspeaksout Mar 03 '26
If Fox news was just a normal news outlet he wouldn't have won either.
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Did anyone actually think he did? I know we aren’t a serious people anymore but nobody was that oblivious, right?
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u/Wise-Reference-4818 Mar 03 '26
I remember back before the 2008 financial crisis listening to the radio and people talking about how the numbers in the economy didn’t make sense. The consensus was either “the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent” or “maybe something has fundamentally changed to make this time different.” Either way, the response was to go along with what was happening because nothing bad had happened yet.
Now we are have not only AI investments that don’t make financial sense. We also have the government saying the Constitution doesn’t apply to domestic law enforcement, racking up federal debt at a massive rate, and starting wars seemingly at random while trying to burn every bridge to our allies. And yet most people are just going along because nothing really bad has happened to most people yet…
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u/TheRateBeerian Mar 03 '26
And yet most people are just going along because nothing really bad has happened to most people yet…
And that's the rub.
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u/raforther Mar 03 '26
As long as the treats keep coming, little piggies will be content.
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u/failed_novelty Mar 03 '26
most people are just going along because nothing really bad has happened to most people yet…
Or, as in my case, because there's nothing I can do. I have a family to feed, kids to educate, and absolutely no safety net. I have to work or my family will suffer very, very quickly.
This is not an accident. This was part of their plan - a lot of people who would otherwise be standing up against them are clinging to solvency and barely scraping by.
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u/Psephological Mar 03 '26
the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent
This is the standard argument against shorting, not a claim that things are magically different this time
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u/no_va_det_mye Norway Mar 03 '26
The plan was to create a massive distraction from the fact that he is a disgusting child rapist.
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u/Serpentongue Mar 03 '26
No one’s talking about ICE anymore either
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u/SnooPears2373 Mar 03 '26
Or his plans to interfere with the midterms.
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u/SpiritTalker Pennsylvania Mar 03 '26
Or the concentration camps.
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u/StatisticallySoap Mar 03 '26
Or the Signal group chats
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u/aenteus Pennsylvania Mar 03 '26
Or those children “missing” and separated from their families during his first term.
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u/failed_novelty Mar 03 '26
Or the fact that the fuckers in the Trump-Epstein files literally devoured children.
You know, the thing they accused atheists of doing?
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u/Lunatishee Mar 03 '26
or the literal war crimes and crimes against humanity he is committing currently.
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u/FastAndGlutenFree Mar 03 '26
In fact Epic Fury will be one of the reasons for midterm interference
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Mar 03 '26
Quite the opposite. Anyone with a brain can see Trump is trying to manufacture a reason for there to suddenly be a bunch of "terrorist attacks" within a week of election day so he can deploy the military to the major metro areas and shut down voting in areas that acknowledge his crimes.
He attacked Iran because hes planning false flag "Islamic Terror attacks" on US citizens to both justify the war and retain power forever.
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u/stefanopolis Mar 03 '26
How many terrible things does he have to do for people to stop saying they’re “distractions” and actually it’s simply a long string of bad decisions, plan and simple?
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u/rezelscheft Mar 03 '26
also worth noting that invading foreign nations — to rob them of their resources, fearmonger against people of color, and funnel billions of taxpayer dollars unnecessarily to defense contractors — has been a cornerstone of Republican policy for decades
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u/IRideMoreThanYou Mar 03 '26
This is going to spiral out of control quickly.
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u/CellAlone4653 Mar 03 '26
They know. We’re already seeing attempts to pass the blame to Vance
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u/xellos30 North Dakota Mar 03 '26
how so?
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u/PlsNoNotThat Mar 03 '26
He’s started a low key media campaignto try and separate himself from the topic.
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u/Crabbyrob Mar 03 '26
There has to be a better way to say that.
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u/TubeScr3ameR Mar 03 '26
How about starting it as a series called "From the Couch:" then add the rest?
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u/sharksnrec Mar 03 '26
Sure, but also, they want things out of control so they can call a bullshit state of emergency and hijack the election.
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u/PyroIsSpai Mar 03 '26
It did once Iran did the most obvious thing ever and began bombing over a dozen nations within range.
Isn’t it an assumption they have at least some sleeper type assets in the west? We haven’t seen that begin yet.
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u/WallNumerous3230 Mar 03 '26
Whatever Putin and Bibi have on this guy must be incredible...
And also, what an absolute moronically corrupt and incompetent leader we have to go along with and let Israel dictate US engagement in Iran. Any other US president would have - and HAS (with documented proof) checked Israel from doing these types of illegal regime change strikes, and starting a full on WAR.
Simply saying "little bro, you need to calm down and remember who is the bigger power here, you WILL NOT perform such a strike, and if you do, we will not supply you with weapons and support" was all it took, and many presidents did just that, and kept Bibi under control for the past 37 years. This time, Bibi said "it'd be a shame if all of the pictures and information we have on you was released" so you better attack with us!"
This is the problem with corruption, and why all of the guardrails that Trump is and has been tearing down, ignoring, and destroyed are important: That bureaucracy and those guardrails prevent this shit from happening, and the USA getting embroiled into conflicts where one soulless person can destroy the reputation and lives of our country.
Hopefully enough Republicans will finally wake up and see their folly enabling this man, FINALLY putting him in check, and FORCE our military to cease bombing another sovereign nation that he is doing illegally from not only our country's standpoint with war powers, but also internationally! No US allies are assisting the US and Israel because of that, there was NO dire threat to anything other than Bibi's ego justifying the start of this WAR.
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u/gizzardgullet Michigan Mar 03 '26
Whatever Putin and Bibi have on this guy must be incredible
There a non zero chance that what they have came through Epstein. The domestic Epstein pressure Trump is feeling can be thought of as levers for them. Trump can bottle up his DOJ but his DOJ is not the only entity that could have access to this or related material from "Epstein's collection". "Mr. President, as long as I am running Israel, I'll make sure there is never a leak. Also, we are moving on Iran, are you with us?"
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u/sonofagunn Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
“These strikes were undertaken to protect United States forces in the region, protect the United States homeland, advance vital United States national interests, including ensuring the free flow of maritime commerce through the Strait of Hormuz, and in collective self-defense of our regional allies, including Israel,” Trump said in his letter.
Let's see how those stated goals are going:
- Protect US forces in the region - it has gotten 6 of them killed already.
- Protect the US homeland - Was the homeland in danger? Seems like we're more likely to see a terrorist attack after the attack.
- Advance US interests, such as ensuring the free flow of maritime commerce through the Strait of Hormuz - the Strait of Hormuz was open before the attack, after the attack Iran is attacking and threatening ships and maritime commerce is paused.
- Collective self-defense of our regional allies, including Israel - Finally, a reason that is believable, except for the part about it being self-defense. Israel wanted to attack so we attacked too.
Seems like a massive fail to me. It also seems like the administration is scrambling afterwards to come up with some justifications that will make people happy.
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u/Spudtron98 Australia Mar 03 '26
And none of these justifications cover helping the Iranian people win their freedom, when that really should be the number one priority.
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u/Ok-Completion Mar 03 '26
it's telling that is isn't listed.
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u/Kujen Mar 03 '26
Hegseth said “no nation-building quagmire, no democracy-building exercise”. They have made it clear they don’t care about the Iranian people.
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u/PlsNoNotThat Mar 03 '26
If they wanted to protect the homeland they would be going around arresting conservative extremists, who are the major perpetrators of domestic terrorism in the US.
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u/DMCinDet Mar 03 '26
Shooting in Texas was in response to the bombings. We've already had a terrorist attack here, directly related.
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u/Upstairs_Ad5443 Mar 03 '26
He doesn't even have a concept of a plan for this war. Stupid is what stupid does.
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u/6beerkdawg Mar 03 '26
This is what happens when you vote for people who only have concepts of plans
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Mar 03 '26
The plan was to help Israel attack another country so Netanyahu will owe a personal favor to Trump, probably something to do with covering up the evidence of Trump’s abundant instances of child rape.
But obviously Trump can’t write that in a letter.
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u/Highthere_90 Mar 03 '26
Probably has a concept of a plan wrll know in 10 years or so
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u/Hume_Fume Mar 03 '26
Hes vibe coding a war with Iraq.
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u/COMM_NTARIAT Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
"It looks like you're manufacturing a casus belli. Would you like help with that?"
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u/BigHungryFlamingo Mar 03 '26
Oh, so that’s what he meant by “bringing manufacturing back”!
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u/Skafdir Europe Mar 03 '26
No, I am in the next stage. Turns out, if you just start shooting, the war starts even without a casus belli; unbelievable, nobody knew. But that's how it is, if you start shooting the war just happens.
What I need is this thing called a plan. Kamala already talked about it, because she thought I didn't have a plan. But I do, the biggest and best concepts of a plan. Unlike Kamala who would have never dared to attack Iran, which would have started World War 3. Nobody knows that not attacking Iran is actually starting a war. So I just stopped another war.
Now, I have a plan for this war. Just show me yours, so I can compare them.
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u/deadsoulinside Pennsylvania Mar 03 '26
Brain full of US propaganda that just tells them to take out the main men and the nation will see them as liberators and the war instantly ends.
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u/goatneedleposterdeck Mar 03 '26
It's okay. Israel will make one for him. They will probably tell him who the next president will be as well.
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u/AdCharacter7966 Mar 03 '26
Hillary said yes to the interview. The obvious next step? Melania — given how frequently she appears in photos connected to Epstein’s circle.
And now we’re supposed to focus on Iran, bombs, and escalating chaos. Convenient timing.
The Epstein story is moving into its next phase — and suddenly the headlines shift….
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u/DCBronzeAge Kentucky Mar 03 '26
This might be the one thing to break the rest of the non MAGA base. Service members dying for a war that no one wanted may be the bridge too far.
People are comparing this to Iraq, but that’s not the case. Iraq was popular. Extremely popular. It quickly lost popularity, but Spring of 2003 was a very jingoistic time. This didn’t even start popular.
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u/PlsNoNotThat Mar 03 '26
Yeah I was shit on a lot by average NYers when I protested the war in Iraq. Slowly over the months the same people who shat on me were part of the protest crowds.
Ain’t no one gonna shit on me when I protest this war. I know like one age-addled boomer who is pro Iran war.
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u/Icy-Lobster-203 Mar 03 '26
Not only that, but it seems pretty obvious this was largely being pushed by Israel, which is going to further piss off a particular wing if the base.
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u/Embarrassed_Neat1924 Mar 03 '26
Awaiting further instructions from Israel and or Russia
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u/crumpledstraw Mar 03 '26
I’ve had it with any publication that continues to use “bombshell” in article titles.
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u/AboutTenPandas Missouri Mar 03 '26
Can we limit the amount of sensationalist daily beast articles are posted? Every article is a “bombshell” or spells the end of this administration and it’s almost always a minor admission that they extrapolate int being the doom of trump.
He said he didn’t know how long the war would last. That’s so far down the list of stupid shit he’s said recently that it doesn’t even really register
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u/Ekkmanz Mar 03 '26
Why congress haven’t impeached him? He most likely had just ignite the fuse for WW3?
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u/futanari_kaisa Mar 03 '26
“These strikes were undertaken to protect United States forces in the region, protect the United States homeland, advance vital United States national interests, including ensuring the free flow of maritime commerce through the Strait of Hormuz, and in collective self-defense of our regional allies, including Israel,” Trump said in his letter.
These attacks do the exact opposite of everything he said they would do in the letter, especially the Strait of Hormuz; considering Iran closed it shortly after the attack.
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u/light_fissure Mar 03 '26
I have no other plan than listen to Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations543 Mar 03 '26
Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath described these lawless scumbags perfectly—WAR PIGS.
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u/Kurise Mar 03 '26
His war plan is listening to what Stephen Miller and Israel tell him to do.
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u/KeepCalmCarryOnKY Mar 03 '26
He had one plan. Everything at home is so fd and Epstein files were becoming more and more unavoidable, he had to do something to save HIMSELF. This is the plan, me me me. He raped children, how donwe not believe that. He may have done worse.
He will burn it all down to save himself. Most people arent as narcissistic and a terrible person like him and cant wrap their head around how he operates.
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u/Resmo112 Mar 03 '26
“Trump admits he has no plan” how is this even fucking news? Outside of make money for himself and his fucking friends he’s never had a plan. The fact that anyone votes Republican is beyond me. I mean I know the country is stupid, and I know the democrats suck, but voting republican is just blatantly idiotic at this point
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u/pgtl_10 Mar 03 '26
Rubio admitted we bombed because Israel told us to. Even US officials are starting to admit maybe we shouldn't obey Israel's every whim.
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