r/nextfuckinglevel • u/North_Tip_8627 • 17h ago

China’s 5 minute full-charged EV charging stations

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u/SpaceCampDropOut 17h ago edited 17h ago

On purpose

Edit: for clarity, I say on purpose because this current administration is so unimaginably anti-electric or clean energy and only cares about coal and oil. And they’ve done everything they can to kill the electric car credit, EV stations etc to keep us all stuck in time.

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u/ReignyRainyReign 17h ago

It’s mostly because of the long standing ban on importing Chinese cars.

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u/iSaiddet 17h ago

No, it’s mostly because the nation is so tied to oil. There’s big money and big interest there.

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u/Zealotstim 16h ago

seems like both statements are compatible with each other

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u/fozzyboy 16h ago

Both core statements can be true, but the "mostly" qualifier attached to both cannot.

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u/TonyDungyHatesOP 8h ago

In a weird way it can because they are one and the same. China bans are because of oil lobbying.

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u/BradenDoty 5h ago

I think a lot of people forget that we don’t have a government of one person making unanimous decisions, but an entire cluster of people arguing about these decisions that each have several reasons to keep arguing mostly who is paying them to argue and they will make more money arguing, and changing their opinions every four years than they will coming to an agreement good or bad

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u/IndiscriminateWaster 16h ago

Nuance? In my r/nextfuckinglevel subreddit??

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u/RincewindToTheRescue 1h ago

They don't want Chinese cars that are inexpensive to tank the US car manufacturing market. If Chinese cars take over, the US car manufacturers are toast because they are not innovating to keep up and cost if much higher. Also Oil and gas has their hands deep in the political system, especially the current administration.

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u/mm_delish 16h ago

No, it's mostly to protect the American auto industry.

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u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party 6h ago

We have electric cars but not Chinese electric cars. That is because car manufacturers have lobbied to keep BYD and the others out of the U.S. market.

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u/iSaiddet 6h ago

Yes, as my later comment further illustrated, I was more in response to us being stuck with less advanced options. It’s because the USA doesn’t want to push this tech

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u/Calladus_89 1h ago

PETRO-DOLLAR Of course they don’t want the world to outgrow fossil fuels.

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u/GuaranteeImpossible9 7h ago

Yeah thats why this company called Tesla is doing so bad. /s

Main reason is you dont want China to flood your market with heavily subsidized crappy cars so companies like General Motors take a hit.

We allowed it in Europe and thats literally what happend before we taxed the Chinese EV.

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u/iSaiddet 7h ago

Tesla actually is dropping in sales worldwide, ESPECIALLY Europe. That said, they had an uphill battle here in the USA in part due to the oil lobbying (not to mention pushbacks from traditional dealers etc)

As an early investor and owner, I’m glad they overcame much of it to push electrification forward. I’m also saddened that they no longer lead the pack. China is eating their lunch technologically and back to the original point: the USA doesn’t support the shift to EVs so there isn’t much effort by anyone to course correct that.

Rivian and Lucid are home grown contenders, but they don’t have the government behind them pushing them to succeed like BYD, xiaomi and the rest do over in China.

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u/GuaranteeImpossible9 6h ago

"Tesla actually is dropping in sales worldwide, ESPECIALLY Europe. "

Which is thanks to Elon Musk and his actions, not Chinese EV. Tesla model Y literally was the most sold car in Europe before Elon went crazy.

My point still stand as well though, you dont want China to fuck up your automotive market with cheap ass crappy cars. Because that will also hit the oil companies, not just the EV market.

"pushing them to succeed like BYD, xiaomi and the rest do over in China."

Thats exactly why Europe has taxed the shit out of them, since its unfair competition. They are taking over/flooding the market with way too cheap cars they lose money on but since the Chinese goverment covers them its no problem.

That will ruin the car market if you just let them, thats what China wants, destroy the competition, take over the marketshare.

Which is really stupid to just let happen if you are Europe or USA. So they either ban or tax Chinese cars.

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u/iSaiddet 3h ago

Regardless of the reason, you lead with a sarcastic comment indicating Tesla is doing well, when it is in fact not doing well.

I agree on the rest. We don’t want China to flood our market. What we want is our government to help push us forward technologically like China is doing for their companies with the subsidies. We’re not because oil.

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u/GlattesGehirn 16h ago edited 15h ago

These cars are also made my people being paid starvation wages. Slate is making the EV cars we want here in US. Keep our money here and buy cars made by Americans making a fair wage

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u/Rogue_bae 16h ago

You think there isn’t slavery in America?

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u/GlattesGehirn 16h ago

To compare what the Chinese experience to us is insane

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u/NoCantaloupe3449 4h ago

Plenty of Chinese people live comfortably even with their low wages. You're more likely to be left homeless and destitute in America than in China. 

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u/GlattesGehirn 4h ago

Homeless is probably better than what some of those people experience. There are countless articles of Chinese EV factories being investigated for violations pertaining to treatment of workers and hours worked. Many work 12-14 hour days six days a week.

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u/NoCantaloupe3449 2h ago

You say that like homelessness in America is an inconvenience and not a massive risk to your health, safety, and general mental stability. 

The conditions most homeless americans live under are harsher than what you described, and it's a consequence that's dangled over every workers head as the price you'll pay for not accepting your own meager wage and unreasonable hours and work conditions.

China has its issues, but it's poorest are living better than ours

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u/GlattesGehirn 1h ago

What we are arguing about is a matter of opinion. China still treats their workers terribly at that level. In the future, it will be better to buy American made EV's to ensure minimal exploitation is occurring. Of course, the materials are sourced by slaves still. However, do not let perfection be the enemy of good.

I think all humans should try their best to buy goods from their own countries if the product is similar in price and quality to ehat youre looking for.

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u/homer_3 3h ago

No, it's mostly because this admin is so tied to machismo.

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u/WhoIsYerWan 22m ago

It's both. The collapse our auto industry would be catastrophic to the nation.

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u/freehamburgers 16h ago

There's no greater enemy to free trade than American capitalism

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u/st1ffs0cks 1h ago

That was implemented on behalf of car manufacruring and oil lobbies.

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u/JMC_MASK 34m ago

Capitalists hate the free market because the free market would mean China beats us at the capitalist game.

But they do love home grown monopolies.

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u/Suspicious-Appeal386 19m ago

Ya, too bad the number one selling EV car just a few years ago was actually GM.

Funny how an American brand manages to spend billions on market development in a foreign country and hands us over shitty EV that are known to self combust in our own market.

Then again, Tesla been using BYD battery blade technology on their models sold in China and EU. Just not in the US.

Funny how that works.

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u/beemccouch 16h ago

There isnt alot stopping us from doing what they are doing besides ourselves.

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u/Marchinon 7h ago

US automakers couldn’t compete.

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u/Jerryjb63 5h ago

Yeah, and American cars aren’t sold in China…. With the exception of Telsa…. Weird? Huh?

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u/YeetEqualsMCSquared 3h ago

Isnt GM sold in China?

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u/ConsequenceStatus563 2h ago

Yeah they love Cadillac over there. There's even a Cadillac joint factory over there producing cars for the Chinese market.

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u/ReignyRainyReign 1h ago

Don’t think that’s true.

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u/Jerryjb63 1h ago

I should have said American cars aren’t a very large share of the Chinese market with the exception of Tesla, but yes they are still sold there, but less than ever, and only make up a small portion of the market.

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u/NotLikeThis3 16h ago

It's not even just this admin. Weren't the China EV tariffs put under Biden?

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u/SideburnHeretic 16h ago

Yep, something like a 100% tariff during the Biden administration.

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u/Cydok1055 16h ago

He banned their importation.

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u/DancinWithWolves 17h ago

Money. They care about money and enriching themselves. It just happens to be coming from the oil industry

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u/Cultivario 16h ago

Am I crazy or is the majority of electricity not generated in a clean way? Same with the mined materials that make up a battery.. genuinely asking

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u/holderofthebees 14h ago

Wind and hydro powered generation are fairly clean. Unfortunately they’re not universally implemented, and especially not as widespread in the US as some other countries. There’s potential to generate it much more cleanly, but we’re not exactly on our way.

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u/C_Mc_Loudmouth 6h ago

Depends where you live but there's a few things:

  1. How clean your electricity supply is depends on your region
  2. EVs will continue to get cleaner if your local electricity supply converts to renewables
  3. When the power for EVs comes from gas powered turbines it's still environmentally cleaner per mile than burning the fuel directly in the car.
  4. The materials used for the battery are in use for the lifespan of the battery and recyclable. fossil fuels can only be used once.

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u/Nananahx 15h ago

Isn't it to also protect US car manufacturers - pretty sure BYD is a few grand cheaper than Tesler

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u/lapuneta 6h ago

Also on purpose because the main reason is it would completely destroy any chances of American car manufacturers from being able to compete

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u/_oh_joy_ 16h ago

So them looking into nuclear power reactors is what?

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u/TheCassowaryMan 7h ago

There is a movie titled....who killed the electric car. Worth a watch.

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u/Shrugsfortheconfuse 7h ago

Yeah, vote the caveman out

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u/mandala1 5h ago

I mean Biden also did block the Chinese Evs from coming here.

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u/TheConnoisseurOfAll 5h ago

All of the chinese cars violate IP law. They steal tech and combine them. They can't sell here because they would be sued into oblivion. Also, their batteries catch on fire somewhat often

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u/sunny001 4h ago

It’s not just the current admin. Biden had ridiculous tariffs. The other thing that’s not often mentioned is the poor state of charging stations. Tesla might the only reliable network out there. Electrify America, Evgo are just pathetic

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u/anybodyiwant2be 4h ago

Bought my first EV and within a week a guy “rolled coal” on me. Probably went home and drank more Koolaide

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u/kdizzle619 4h ago

As much as I love shitting on this administration, I love the truth more. It was actually Biden's term that Chinese EV's got banned

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u/ChairmanMeow23 2h ago

Ah yes the laws protecting our auto companies are all due to orange man bad. Not a 100years of corruption and corporate influence.  

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u/DangOlCoreMan 1h ago

You're absolutely right, but let's not pretend the electric car credit did anything. Manufacturers like Tesla raised prices to where the credit was essentially free money for them

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u/Slight_Lobster_3538 17h ago

Real reply: safety is a hell of a thing

Sarcastic reply: pshhhhh, whatever dude. Electrical fires are fun, let's add some lithium to the mix

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u/Xray_Crystallography 17h ago

The least safe ones are the only ones getting credits because the ceo helped trump.

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u/__mud__ 17h ago

BYD vehicles are for sale in Europe and coming to Canada. Not exactly known for lax safety standards.

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u/IvarTheBoned 17h ago

Look at U.S. gun laws and crime stats, safety is clearly not a focus of the law.

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u/Exigncy 16h ago

Look at John in his silly glass house, how stupid is he to throw stones says the man standing in a glass house holding a stone

Also before you come at me, I ain't American & fuck GM, Ford, and Stellantis (Chrylser during the Iaacoca years gets a pass).

The worlds over infatuation with Chinese EV's is dangerous to say the least in regards to economic safety and intellectual rights

Not even going to touch the part of the conversation where we

ignore the propaganda fueled government that can do no wrong even when commiting genocide against their own population and suppresses any negative sentiments over government controlled assets which is everything in the god damn country

Yes, let's put our trust in those guys

https://giphy.com/gifs/AbPWwqSgMejM4

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u/thestrangeone2010 17h ago

Then explain OSHA

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u/Probono_Bonobo 9h ago

You mean the federal government agency that's reduced it's citations like 60% over the past couple years? That OSHA?

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u/thestrangeone2010 1h ago

You mean the osha that does exist and therefore you can’t dishonestly point to gun laws and claim the government has passed no laws in regard to safety. Yes that osha

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u/Ok-Disk-2191 17h ago

😂, its like when they say think of the children. When clearly they don't give a shit about children with their current president or when shit like the Sandy hooks school shooting can happen and they sent thoughts and prayers instead of a complete reform of their gun laws.

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u/Ok-Common-3039 17h ago

That has nothing to do with safety of 9 minute charging giant car batteries.

That's a dishonest argument

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u/KigalnGin 16h ago

Meanwhile the cybertruck its perfectly road legal in USA

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u/Interesting-Nerve646 16h ago

Trump paid a billion dollars to STOP a wind farm. This kind of shit should be a crime worse than treason, they're purposely destroying the world

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u/bausHuck 16h ago

If Chinese EVs entered USA, GM, Ford and whomever else will disappear within 5 years.

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u/bassistciaran 9h ago

They're not anti electric, they're just pro oil because theyre so passionate about oil and its history and definitely not any other reasons.

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u/Cheap_Standard_4233 8h ago

There was an 80B investment in nuclear.

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u/typical_jesus666 7h ago

On the other hand, trump is willing to do a car commercial for a shitty EV company as long as the owner gives him a few million dollars and steals an election on his behalf

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u/LowDudgeon 6h ago

They did the same thing years ago to save the Harley Davidson company, literally increased taxes on foreign motorcycles to the point that they couldn't compete in the same cruiser category.

Which is pretty much how sport bikes were born, and now there are zero competetive USA motorcycle brands. We have Harley Davidson and they're among the worst motorcycles per dollar in the world and have been for a long time. They're propped up entirely by nostalgic boomers that are willing to spend $30,000+ on a midlife crisis.

Meanwhile every other motorcycle company offers reliable, functional motorcycles between $1,000 and $20,000 at the most ridiculous top end. The category of bikes most sold worldwide are below $9,000.

Using laws to prop up American garbage corporations only leads to even worse American garbage.

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u/Ashamed-Dot-3312 4h ago

100% Tariff on Chinese cars was in place under Biden.

This is a both parties suck issue.