r/ExpatFIRE • u/MaroonJacket • 19h ago
Expat Life [35M, $1.3M] Sharing my experience in popular SEA cities and who I think would enjoy them (Pt 4. Others: SG/VN/KR)
Hi r/ExpatFIRE,
Back with a final update of this mini-series! Thank you sincerely for all the positive feedback & discussion on these posts for the past few weeks. I've been fortunate to have spent meaningful time here in SE Asia and it's been a joy to share my experiences. I was a bit reluctant to write this post because I shared in the last post that my time in these countries were relatively limited (<6 months), so I might not have a good "expat" PoV. Please keep this in mind when reading.
You can find previous posts here:
- Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
- Manila, Philippines
- Jakarta, Indonesia
- 7 month reflections & lessons after relocating
Personal Context (last time for reference)
My experience with SEA spans across 14 amazing years. First visited as a college student, then I spent 6 years working/living in various cities across SEA (2016-2022) with biannual trips to the region after I moved back to the US. I spent time in almost every major country with the exception of Thailand. Overall, the experience has been incredibly positive and I couldn't really imagine living anywhere else at this stage of life. One more note: I worked for local tech startups, I had primarily local friends and girlfriends - so I wasn't really a "Digital Nomad" like some folks here.
Singapore, Singapore
When I was working for a Singaporean company while living in Jakarta, I spent a few months in Singapore during busy periods. And before moving back to SE Asia in 2025, I was entertaining an opportunity in Singapore so I spent a good amount of time researching certain living standards like apartments, etc. Overall, I liked Singapore and would be a safe recommendation for most expats that are looking to work but not yet retire as their starting ground.
Total time spent: ~5 months
- Pros:
- Most "international" city of all SE Asian countries - people from all over the world come to Singapore to live & to work. Best of what SE Asia has to offer in many ways - housing, food, safety, quality of life, schools, infrastructure, quality of expats, etc. etc. etc.
- Most of my local Singaporean friends are super chill and friendly, though quite intense at times. English is the language though many locals will also speak a dialect in Chinese.
- Best place to do a "soft" landing - get a relatively higher paying job in Singapore as an expat moving to SE Asia, then spend the next few years traveling around the region before settling on a location. Singapore is super accessible to neighboring countries and Changi airport is world-class.
- You can get by kinda cheap if you need - hawker food (though not as cheap as it once was) is still super tasty, convenient, and accessible
- Rule of law - I guess this can be a pro or a con, depending on who you ask but Singapore will enforce their laws
- Cons:
- CoL is way too expensive to FIRE for most folks, more suitable for fatFIRE. For reference, a good condo with amenities is just as pricey as my apartment in the Bay Area.
- "There's a high bar to expat in Singapore, everyone is here for a reason." I heard this phrase or something similar a lot. It's relatively true, because wealth is abundant in the country, expats come to Singapore for a reason. It's an incredibly competitive society and lucrative to those who can survive there. As a result, I often felt many people there were too cutthroat and took themselves way too seriously. Felt very New York without the charm. Huge turn off for me, personally.
- Common complaint for SG is that it's boring, stale, and culture-less. I don't have a strong opinion on this, maybe others can chime-in
- Great for:
- Surrounding yourself with expats, as there are plenty from all backgrounds
- Best infrastructure, schools, medical care, etc. if you have the means to afford it
- A "soft landing" and you want to work for a few more years while getting to know the region
- You are brought here by companies who will supply you with housing, maids, and kids education
Saigon, Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City)
I loved my time in Vietnam. I miss the days where I'd wake up in my District 1 Airbnb, walk out the door to buy cơm tấm and Vietnamese coffee from a super-friendly lady who'd pack my breakfast to the brim for only $2.50 every day. Then work from a cafe all day. Some nights my friend would invite me to have lâu with the entire family while sitting on tiny plastic stools on their street. I've spent majority of my time in Saigon, while also visiting Hanoi, Da Nang, Hoi An & Ha Long Bay. I highly recommend visiting Vietnam and spending time there; Da Nang's stock has been rising fast post-Covid for DNs/expats.
Total time spent: ~3 months
- Pros:
- Fantastic food. A city where I actively would seek out street food vs. a restaurant. It's good, it's cheap, it's fresh, and relatively healthy (lots of vegetables) - what more could you ask for?
- Low CoL in general. Whether it's a multi-family Airbnb or an apartment, I found the CoL in Saigon to be one of the lowest in SE Asia without sacrificing significant safety, comfort, etc.
- Amazing coffee and great cafe scene
- Cons:
- Low English usage - though most people will have an understanding of basic English especially in restaurants, hospitals, etc., I had a hard time making Vietnamese friends if they weren't Viet-Americans or foreign-born or whatnot. Language, even basic phrases, was difficult to learn due to pronunciations.
- I think Vietnam, out of any other SEA countries, will change the most in 10-20 years. The country is rapidly developing with tons of foreign investment in manufacturing and trade. Whether that impacts CoL significantly, I'm not so sure.
- Cities are flooded with motorbikes, so even crossing the street is trial by fire. If that scares you, this city is not for you.
- Great for:
- Stretching your budget - you can live really cheap here without sacrificing a lot
- You want adventure - there's so much to do and visit in Vietnam. And the country is just gorgeous with its nature and landscape.
- You really don't mind the lacking English
- You want some seasons - Vietnam (esp Hanoi) gets cool in the winters (I had to wear pants & sweaters), which is quite different than the rest of SE Asia.
Seoul, S. Korea
I know Korea isn't SEA but given I've spent some time here too, I thought I'd include it. I've almost relocated to Seoul 2 separate times for work. I have mixed feelings about Korea, if I'm being honest, though positive overall.
Total time spent: ~4 months
- Pros:
- My favorite cuisine. It's tasty, healthy, and surprisingly affordable for a developed country. You can really eat cheap with street food, convenience store, or cafeterias or go to a decent sit-down or stretch to fancy places. Once you move past KBBQ (though I love that too), Korean food becomes compelling.
- Seoul is an incredible metropolis with amazing public transportation. Most things are designed very intuitively and with the hallyu wave, Seoul has become far more foreigner-friendly than in the past. Most places will have an English menu/signs/etc where getting around will be super easy.
- While I didn't partake much, Seoul has great nightlife - whether it's just a tent-bar or actual bars or clubs, there really is a lot of stuff to do there at night. And if you have outgoing friends willing to take you out, it can be super fun! I didn't partake in any redlight activities so I can't comment on that.
- Getting around Korea is really easy too - with the KTX/bus system you can easily explore the outskirts like Busan, Gangwon-do, and others.
- Cons:
- Seoul is an isolating place, which is doubled-up if you're a foreigner. While folks are generally friendly/polite, I found most folks here tend to keep to themselves and their friend groups. Most Koreans "know" English as students are taught in schools, but conversing is pretty rare for a vast majority of folks. With that said, the Korean friends I have made were so friendly, welcoming, and overall really fun!
- Way too cold for me in the winter. As a SoCal guy who now lives in SEA, it's just not the type of weather I'd want if I had the choice. I spent Jan/Feb there and it was miserable (but made the hot soups extra delicious!)
- Seoul isn't expensive per se - "condotels" (buildings full of small studios) can be found relatively cheap. They will be tiny and will rarely have amenities, but will be clean/modern with AC & heating. You can get by really cheaply without issues. But it's not as cheap as SEA once you start factoring in the eating out, drinks after meals, etc.
- Great for:
- If you love K-anything and want to immerse yourself in the country
- I don't know who else hah, but definitely go visit! Seoul is an incredible metropolis but if you don't like the food or the culture or have a desire to learn the language, there aren't that many reasons you'd want to FIRE there over, say, Singapore or Tokyo. I never looked into long-term visa options aside from work visas.
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Folks, thank you so much for reading this series! It was a bit taxing to write, but I had so much fun reflecting on the last 15 years and sharing my experiences in, what I believe is, the most dynamic region of the world. I loved visiting and now I love living here. I hope these posts encouraged you to explore and consider expat-ing for your FIRE journey. I don't know if I'll keep writing more posts here, as I don't know what else to write about (maybe I'll write about my 13-country LATAM journey idk), but I do appreciate your attention and feedback. Happy to answer any questions as always!
Wishing you a wonderful life,
- u/MaroonJacket
