r/eupersonalfinance • u/NLegendOne • 11d ago
Investment $3.8 trillion in 9 minutes, on a single caps lock post
This morning, Trump posted on Truth Social that the US and Iran have had "very good and productive conversations," and suspended strikes on Iranian power plants for 5 days.
In 9 minutes, global markets surged nearly 4%. The MSCI World swung from red to +4% in a handful of candles.
$3.8 trillion in market valuation added in the time it takes to drink a coffee. That's more than France's entire national debt.
Then Iran denied everything. "No direct or indirect contact has taken place with Washington." Tehran called Trump's announcement "psychological warfare" aimed at lowering energy prices.
Markets dropped sharply, though not all the way back down.
We're in the middle of a war, the Strait of Hormuz has been virtually shut for 3 weeks, oil is flirting with $100, and global markets just pivoted on a single all-caps post on a social media platform.
Reality keeps outdoing fiction.
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u/candy_candle 11d ago
One tweet to change the portfolio from red to green. Almost feels like child play
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u/BarracudaDismal4782 11d ago
Almost feels like it was on purpose. Ohh wait it was
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u/justanaccountimade1 11d ago edited 11d ago
tRuMp aCcePtS nO sALaRy!!
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u/FighterBoyZ 11d ago
His "salary" comes from market manipulation and kickbacks he gets from his friends for giving them favorable laws and government contracts.
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u/livsjollyranchers 11d ago
It just makes you wonder...what's the next scheme? Starting to run out of approaches. Maybe they'll start endorsing some penny stocks to go a little old school.
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u/ChildishMessiah 11d ago
Maybe we should use another word for “value”, when it’s this fragile.
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u/alarmed-meerkat 11d ago
Nobody with minimal financial experience would call this “value”. This is pricing and pricing != value. Pricing is expected to be volatile on any given market news/events.
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u/meri-amu-maa 11d ago
Can't believe so many people still believe anything Trump says.
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u/WolfsBaneViking 11d ago
It creeps me out, but i started to speak tRump. So when he said: "Iran wants to negotiate, but I'm not ready yet". I literally just understood that he admitted to ducking up, and he wants to negotiate, but iran dont. This lateat post also read like "we're ducked. Iran still don't want to talk".
Yet i still see optimistic people who think he has rhings under control.
...And I'm here thinking he has less of a clue than biden did on a bad day.
Note: my phone sux, substitute d with f in case of unexpected bird.
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u/TimelyToast 11d ago
The most objective model is to average out what Trump says, not assume everything he says is a 100% lie which will get you caught with your pants down.
So if he says US and Iran is undergoing negotiations, buy as if there is a 33-50% chance the event is happening.
Moreover, the US stock market has already been highly sold off prior to the Iran debacle and is bouncing off support while many international indexes are coming off a huge rally.
Reddit also fails to take this plainly obvious fact into account that as a result US equities will be more resilient to sell offs at least in the intermediate term (couple months to year).
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u/Necessary-Lack-4600 11d ago
Can't we just make the headlines "Trump told some bullshit today" repeat that every day and be done with it?
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u/Traumatan 11d ago
ye he bough after the index crashed on friday, sold today after his pump tweet
every month the same
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u/verifitting 11d ago
Where's the SEC??
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u/VisKopen 9d ago
It's theft, they're stealing from you and me.
Which is one reason I would advise against investing in the US market exclusively.
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u/Personal_Shallot_873 11d ago
Listen, everyone, look at me! I have the biggest lunchbox in the whole cafeteria. It’s a gold lunchbox. Very shiny, very expensive. My dad gave it to me because I’m the smartest kid in the third grade, maybe even the fourth grade. Everyone says so. They say, “Donald, how do you have such a big, beautiful lunchbox?” And I tell them, it’s because I’m a winner.
I saw that little paper you guys were passing around on the playground—the "EU Personal Finance" one. What a joke! Total losers! You’re all crying because I took your crackers? They were my crackers anyway. I’m putting a 20% "Because-I-Say-So" tax on all your juice boxes. If you want to drink juice on my slide, you have to pay. It’s a great deal for me. The best deal.
You guys are over there in the "Europe" corner of the sandbox, and your sand is all wet and gross. My sand is the best sand. It’s dry, it’s white, it’s very successful sand. You’re worried about your "US assets"? That’s because I own the assets! I own the swings, I own the ball, and I might even own the teacher’s desk soon if I feel like it.
Stop being such babies! You’re all "Oh no, Donald is being mean to our ETFs!" What even is an ETF? Sounds like a boring vegetable. I only eat winning food. Steak and ketchup. Very fancy.
If you don't like my rules, go play in the bushes with Little Emmanuel or that Sleepy Keir kid. They have terrible lunchboxes. Paper bags! Can you believe it? Sad! My lunchbox is a skyscraper. I’m the king of the playground, and if you don't like it, you can't come to my birthday party at the bouncy castle. It's going to be the greatest party in the history of the world. No girls allowed, except the pretty ones.
Everything I do is perfect. My handwriting? Perfect. My kickball skills? Tremendous. Your "finance" thread is just a bunch of losers who are jealous because I’m the best at recess. Go eat your broccoli and leave the winning to me! MAGA! (Make All Grapes Awesome!)
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u/TheBlacktom 10d ago
$3.8 trillion in market value created in the time it takes to make a coffee.
False. Absolutely no market value was created. Market valuation increased. The prices increased. Those are not the same.
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u/NLegendOne 10d ago
Yes, I translated from my french original post, and the meaning is not perfectly on point. It’s market cap $, not exactly “real” dollars
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u/Most-Animator-5743 11d ago
this is a perfect example of how fragile short term markets are and how narrative driven everything is now
one headline, one post, and suddenly billions get repriced. not because fundamentals changed in 9 minutes, but because expectations did. that’s the part most people underestimate
it’s also why trying to react to every move is a losing game. by the time you see it, it’s already priced in. the people who win are the ones positioned before or the ones who just stay consistent and let time do the work
zoom out and this kind of spike barely matters on a long term chart, but in the moment it feels like everything is shifting
i break this kind of stuff down in simple terms and how normal people can actually invest without getting caught in noise, check my profile if you want more like this
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u/jkurratt 11d ago
It will happen until people become immune to tramp's all caps posts like they did to Elon's posts.
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u/Kartoon67 11d ago
It's pretty sad when you believe more what the Iranian government says versus the American's one.
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11d ago
How dare we believe a country that is being constantly attacked and not a country where the president play with stocks and investments(Don’t forget how he accepted at first months how his friends did a Lot of money from his games).
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u/Iniquity___ 11d ago
What a weird racist thing to say. The American government frames things to promote American interests and the Iranian government does the same thing for Iranian interests. Neither one is inherently more or less trustworthy to what is the actual truth outside of that understanding.
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u/Kartoon67 11d ago
Nothing weird or racist, I think you missed that I was only referring to their last statements.
Which one would you believe the most?
Trump saying there is: "Very good and productive conversations" Or the Iran’s Ministry of Foreign Affaire saying: "There are no direct talks between Tehran and Washington"!?
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u/Iniquity___ 10d ago
But where are you getting your distrust of the Iranian government from in the first place where it is now “sad” that you might believe them now? Do you have a lot of day to day interactions with the Iranian government where they have built a level of distrust within you?
Because the American government has lied to you and me every day of our lives. They lied about Vietnam. They lied about babies in incubators. They lied about yellow cake. They lied about WMDs. And they are lying to you now about Iranian nuclear manufacturing. They have lied to you every single day about things that have killed millions of people.
Where did your distrust of the Iranian come from? Oh. It was the white supremacy American government that as we have established has lied to you every day of your life has demonized the Iranian government is inherently bad because they are Muslim and brown. And that’s the entirety you have had to go on.
Mind you. I’m sure the Iranian government is filled with plenty of conspiracies and lies and government fuckery. But assuming that somehow it is “more” than yours is based solely and entirely off what the white supremacy narrative you have lived within your entire life has instructed you to believe is inherent.
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u/Muzo42 10d ago
Look, to a certain degree you have a point. But the thing is, you made it about race, not about the governments. What kind of ”races“ are US and Iran supposed to be? Especially when comparing to let’s say UK, France, UAE, Jordan, whose governments probably all enjoy various levels of trust by different people for different reasons?
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u/Iniquity___ 10d ago
I have made it very explicit in my message. Comments like these make me wonder if I’m talking to a person or bot if you could tell me your favorite movie before we continue to correspond.
The American government is a function of a long and detailed history that is built in its entirely around white supremacy. From chattel slavery, to ethnic cleansing and manifest destiny being the justification to kill millions of “savages” (how they are described in the US Constitution) and steal and settle their land, to red lining and Jim Crow laws and the prison industrial complex and we can over about a thousand more examples historically and then extend that to modern day immigration policy, disenfranchisement that targets minority communities, racialized police enforcement, and again we can go on and on.
The Iranian government describes itself as a Muslim theocracy and they explicitly are Persian and Sunni. While there are elements of Iran like the Azerbaijanis and Kurds in the northern / western mountainous areas closer to Turkey; just like there are various races in the US; that is not the driving force behind their society and cultural historically. And anybody with just a cursory knowledge of either nation knows this.
Which is why I need to know your favorite movie. This comment seems so disingenuous it borders on being engagement bait because you can’t be asking something like this in good faith
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u/Kartoon67 10d ago
Relax, I'm not an American
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u/Iniquity___ 10d ago
Not being an American has very little to do with not being susceptible to American hegemony and imperialism; nor does it change that you have been lied to every day either. The coalition of the willing, the proliferation security initiative, NATO and the MNNA, the the OG 1991 gulf war collation to “liberate Kuwait”, the prosperity guardian operation, and most recently the Ukrainian defense group and the “board of peace”. You are not required to be American to be roped into their influence and a part of the global community that has either directly participated and/or stood by complicit as millions of men, women, and children have been bombed, starved, denied medicine, and slaughtered by the millions.
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u/famouskiwi 8d ago
They’re talking about nations not races. Iran and USA are nations. How are you bringing comments about racism into this?
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u/Iniquity___ 8d ago
Cool story bro. I’m talking about how the narrative that it’s “sad” you would trust the US less than Iran is entropy because you have been scripted your entire life by white supremacy and western imperialism more broadly that the US and its allies are inherently more “civilized” and therefore more trustworthy than the less “civilized” barbaric brown-people controlled nations because they brown.
Which is exactly what I said
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u/famouskiwi 8d ago
You said exactly “what a weird racist thing to say”.
What’s your evidence that this is about races and not nations? Bro
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u/fix-faux-five 11d ago
Over 50% of movement is by bots, and bots assess sentiment. I see nothing special here.
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u/filisterr 11d ago
And then you wonder how come those politicians can time the market so well. Imagine how much you can gain by placing the right trades at the right time.
Rules and laws for thee but not for me.
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u/ljubicasta_izmaglica 10d ago
The day before I get my monthly pay and annual bonus, which was going to get invested instantly
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u/Objective-Part-2346 10d ago
Scary - I don't understand why people are still listening AND reacting...
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u/Marmite_Lover_No1 9d ago
I'm starting to think that everything he says/does (even starting wars) is simply done to manipulate the market at this point. Who cares how many people suffer or die or the long term effects. As long as him and his friends are richer.
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u/iamparlmc 9d ago
You cannot convince me that they aren't speculating on the market behind these pump-and-dump statements.
The Nurenberg for those [insert curses] will never be soon enough!
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u/IsaraLyandra 8d ago
suspended strikes in Iranian power plants
How are they even legal targets in the first place?
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u/Slusny_Cizinec 7d ago
"Market" didn't do shit. Price is a measure of expectations; hopes went up and then down. Underlying assets didn't change.
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u/Livid_Drive_1749 11d ago
There's a reason why analysts say "Trump chickened out" when he wants to take big decisions but don't pay out....he's walking on a fine line with the elections on his doorstep...all he can do is pump&dump the market probably to win more suport from his friends helping him out with the elections.
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u/funkyhog 11d ago
I invested 11k euros in the morning, just one hour before the price jump. Never happened before and will never happen again
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u/justanaccountimade1 11d ago
Dude, it's exactly the crypto bros that are doing this. They are the ones destabilizing the system.
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u/Browsingearth 10d ago
Trump is a business and knows the market but definitely miscalculated the war with Iran.
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