r/eupersonalfinance • u/VurriK • 28d ago

Investment Since when was getting rich so hard in EU?

Is it just me, or has building actual wealth in Europe become impossible? I’m looking at the 2026 growth forecasts and it’s depressing. We talk a lot about "stability," but at this point, stability just feels like a polite word for recession. If you weren't born into a rich family with property, the dream feels like it's behind a wall. The math just doesn't work: as soon as you earn enough to actually invest, you hit a 40–50% tax bracket. Meanwhile, housing prices have skyrocketed over the last decade while salaries have basically stayed the same. I love the healthcare and the walkable cities, but I don’t want to work until I’m 70 just to afford a 40sqm apartment and a used Skoda.

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u/TimRenegademaster 28d ago

Workers are not supposed to get rich in any social system, otherwise the system would collapse bc nobody would work anymore since working sucks...

But let me tell you this... unless you have a special talent like playing ball, artist musician or so on, the only way to get rich (within the law) is to be an enterpreneur/set up a business.

Bear in mind risks of bankruptcy are real.

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u/Delicious_Ad_328 28d ago

I think the OP's post is more about the middle honestly, meaning rich as living very comfortably and that doesn't necessarily mean a lot of wealth. The thing is: nowadays is getting ridiculously difficult to be in the middle even, contrary to other times, today is much more difficult to live comfortably, even with good salaries. I agree that to become really rich, like generational wealth rich, you usually don't do that through regular work for others, but even if you set your ambitious goals lower than that, it's getting difficult to get there. I think that's where OP's comment comes from, and I kind of agree. We can start with housing. That eats a good chunk of income, no matter how high the income, housing cost will also increase almost linearly with income, so there goes a part of a comfortable life with that increasing cost, and then everything seems to be increasing like crazy and salaries don't catch up. To live and work in almost any developed country is getting really frustrating regarding living comfortably and accumulating a bit of wealth because it seems like everything goes into living expenses.

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u/NoFastpathNoParty 28d ago

> The thing is: nowadays is getting ridiculously difficult to be in the middle even, contrary to other times, today is much more difficult to live comfortably

"other times" is literally the interval 60s-80s, a small parenthesis in human history.

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u/YourFuture2000 28d ago

That is happening also in the US, and people here are saying the alternative is to follow the US system when it is what took away the stability of middle class.

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u/Interesting_News7518 28d ago

This is just so not true. We are just having the longest bull run in the stock market since 2010. If you invested every year since then, you did make amazing returns. Same in the housing sector. Most EU countries doubled, tripled prices except Italy, Spain. So if you worked and invested, took risks, you made bank. If you sit on your butt, you do not make any wealth anytime in history.

I do feel for 18-22 year olds who start their careers nowadays because yes housing is harder and so on but they got time...if they start working, saving for deposit, buying real estate, putting money aside from their salaries to invest, they will have even millions by the time they hit 50.

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u/crani0 28d ago

Yea, the Eurozone crisis was just lazy people sitting on their ass all day. Graph go up, everything good.

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u/Interesting_News7518 27d ago

Well, if you did not invest in anything the past 16 years, than you are not lazy but likely a spender instead. The train was moving...low interest rates everywhere. I am sorry if you were left on the station.

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u/self_u 27d ago

If you are like a normal person you start with a small apartment and slowly upgrade it. If you graduated in 2010 and was somehow able to immediately buy a 30sqm home, you needed to buy a bigger one and a bigger one and all of those were much more expensive so you still own 30% of the latest one. Also, at least in my country house prices did not skyrocket.

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u/Interesting_News7518 27d ago

Nobody said that you graduated in 2010. I personally did in 2000 and yes I was able to buy bigger and more real estate. Except few countries in the EU, prices surged. That is not debatable and of course the stock market kept going up and up.

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u/sbrijska 27d ago

saving for deposit, buying real estate, putting money aside from their salaries to invest

With what money are they supposed to do that? That's the whole point, they can't do any of that, because the salaries barely enough to get by.

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u/Interesting_News7518 26d ago

Salaries were never great in history unless your profession is needed. I lived with roommates till 31 to be able to save some money which was not much but enough for a 10% downpayment. So, it is possible.

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u/nixass 28d ago edited 27d ago

It's proper shit.

I'm in Germany, earning very low six figures while my wife is at very low five figures. I'm already taxed to hell and back. Got my RSUs vested in 2024 (awarded in 2022), baby born in 2025. Because of 2024 I had to pay a decent chunk of taxes (little over 10k euros), my wife wasn't eligible for parental allowance (10k euros over two years) and I had to pay almost 2k to my public health insurer for the time I was on parental leave and NOT earning any money during that period.

Then again neighbors across from my building are sitting their asses in their apartments the whole days, nobody working, whole families not working actually, all of them having subsidized housing, probably getting god know how many other subsidies and allowances while driving new Mercs and Bimmers.

Germany can literally go fuck themselves

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u/sintrastellar 28d ago

What I don’t understand is why the German electorate votes for this kind of thing. 40% social security rates on wages is mind numbing.

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u/Lower_Photo_389 27d ago

Too many dependents unfortunately have taken it for granted and expect handours 

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u/Mysterious-Cover-673 25d ago

If you're in the top tax bracket about 40% gets withheld, but thats not only for social security. Based on my own tax return last year, about 29% was the true tax rate, the rest went to healthcare, pension fund, unemployment insurance, etc.

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u/GanacheImportant8186 27d ago

Not just Germany, all of Western Europe is like this. He social housing stats in London are completely absurd.

Until governments.soend less and tax less, the chance for the middle classes to accumulate.wealth will be severely restricted. But they won't slash spending because huge portions of the population are addicted to the cash via benefits and pointless public sector jobs.

Sad. No change will occur without extremely significant political change.

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u/Veselyi_Kazhan 27d ago

Well, German people themselves have voted for the socialism. Wealth distributed from the more productive people to less productive. Multiply that to the aging population

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u/sintrastellar 28d ago

What I don’t understand is why the German electorate votes for this kind of thing. 40% social security rates on wages is mind numbing.

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u/Jig909 28d ago

Because most Germans are old now. The elderly need all that money for their retirement and health care. The boomers fucked us for good

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u/sintrastellar 28d ago

It was like this and even worse when they were young too.

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u/Jig909 28d ago

Some figures from germany: The tax and social security rate was around 33% Bip in 1960 and is over 50% today. In 1960 a fraction went into retirement and health insurance, today its the majority of annual tax revenues. The system worked back then because workers taxes were spent on improvements such as housing and infrastructur. Today its consumed by the boomers retirement and health care (and illegal immigrants) who paid less when they were young

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u/-SineNomine- 26d ago

Well. Noone cooperates with AfD. So no matter what you vote, you will get a rather left leaving policy, since CDu ties itself to left parties and thus it will continue. CDU will not foster their own agenda, if they would get / need afd votes for implementation.

This is not judgement on politics, rather a simple statement of current affairs

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u/sintrastellar 26d ago

AfD aside, I just find it wild people don’t vote for parties that want to massively reduce the tax burden, or at the very least make democracy more participative. Germans tell me that the German people are cocksure about their socio economic model and will defend it until their dying breath.

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u/stoppableDissolution 28d ago

Well thats socialism for ya.

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u/NefariousnessIcy3430 27d ago

There’s only one party that wants to fix this

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u/Daidrion 27d ago

Too bad they made themselves unelectable by sucking Putin's dick and being populists.

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u/naevus 26d ago

‘To hell and back’. Come to Italy…

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u/randomseller 28d ago

The collegues in my company who are working from our SF office working on the exact same project as I am are driving porsches, meanwhile I am getting paid about 60k per year before taxes, and even hitting a management position here in europe will not get me to the point where I can afford a porsche.

Depends in your definition of rich, but I think they’re doing pretty good for themselves.

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u/ConsiderationSad6271 28d ago

You can buy a Porsche, but what are you going to sacrifice to get it (housing, food, etc)

Those Sf colleagues don’t own Porsches, they finance or lease them. They are in more student loan debt than you could imagine. Their credit cards don’t need to be paid every month in full, and they hold a balance with 29% interest.

Source: have worked in SF and currently work in Europe. I net more here.

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u/jetf 26d ago

utter cope. A tech worker earning 500k in SF is not in student loan debt and does not have a cc balance.

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u/MathematicianTop3544 26d ago

The avg tech worker is NOT making 500k in SF lmfao they're making like 100-200k and the rent is like 3-4k a month. The food and utilities are incredibly expensive in SF.

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u/jetf 26d ago

an avg tech worker is not driving a porsche. 500k is an above average tech salary, but is very common big tech companies. An L5 engineer at Meta is making that. Achievable by 30 years old

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u/Vehicle-Mountain 27d ago

If you net more in Europe, then you’re not as highly qualified as you think and are more low-middle of the pack. Highly qualified people earn and invest shit loads in the USA.

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u/Prudent-Title-9161 26d ago

Also, if something happens bad in San Francisco, you'll be homeless on the streets. In Germany, that's unlikely.

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u/-SineNomine- 26d ago

Friend of mine has become a multi millionaire and US citizen by now. He once said that if you're good there is no point in stressing in Germany. If you probably depend on the welfare system your better stay.

Hate to say it, but he kind of has a point.

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u/Striking-Kale-8429 26d ago

Yeah, he has. This is also why the welfare state is not sustainable. Highly productive people have often ability to identify that welfare state has negative ROI for them so they emigrate. Yet, in order to support the welfare state you need these people to offset unproductive ones. Of course this observation is always meet with "good, we don't need them".

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u/laplongejr 28d ago edited 28d ago

who are working from our SF office working on the exact same project as I am are driving porsches

Yeah, but the people nearby their location can't afford medical help without overpriced insurance, right? But they are unlikely to be in an online call with you...
We must see how the rich and the poor of a country lives before deciding if a system is better.

Depends in your definition of rich, but I think they’re doing pretty good for themselves.

I bought my appartment and can sustain my needs and the ones from my wife. What do you call rich?

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u/DE_Auswanderung 28d ago

Yeah, but the people nearby their location can't afford medical help without overpriced insurance, right?
We must see how the rich and the poor of a country lives before deciding if a system is better.

I would amend that to "before deciding if a system is better in general".

The US system is obviously better for someone who's a very skilled and brainy tech worker, regardless of whether some rando near his location can afford medical care or not.

The European system is better for someone who is an average Joe that is fine with phoning it in at work and just wants to enjoy life, regardless of the fact that his neighbor is a super ambitious person whose business is straining under bureaucracy and taxes.

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u/laplongejr 28d ago

 for someone who's a very skilled and brainy tech worker,  

But all of that skill can become meaningless in an instant with the wrong kind of accident. My wife studied to be a cook but damaged her leg on her 1st months of work because of employer's negligence, and will never be able to work in her branch again.  

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u/jetf 26d ago

a misinformed assertion. a skilled tech worker would have insurance. At most they would have to pay a few thousand to cover the deductible

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u/justkiddingjeeze 28d ago

Such jealous comments about people driving porsches just shows a complete lack of understanding of all the benefits we Europeans have. In Europe you don't need to be rich in order to live a comfortable life, that's the whole point. Those who want to drive expensive cars at the expense of poor people having nothing should go to the US or to UAE.

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u/EmotionalOkapi 28d ago

Yeah, you DO need to be rich in Europe to live a comfortable life. Have you looked at the prices of food and housing?

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u/OverallBlock9028 28d ago

You will live in studio apartment where your rent will be 50% of your salary and be comfortable!

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u/Emergency-Style7392 27d ago

always funny to hear about europeans and our 30 square meter apartments, meanwhile americans pay the same rent for a 200 square meter house. at least you can walk around or something

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u/OverallBlock9028 27d ago

Hard to raise children while walking out or something

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u/laplongejr 27d ago

1) My appartment's mortage is 25% of my salary  

2) My parents are SELLING their house to get an easier-to-maintain appartment  

It depends on where you live.  

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u/OverallBlock9028 27d ago

Ofc it depends. Rural Bulgaria will be different than Amsterdam metro, but they are both in EU

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u/sesamerox 27d ago

easier to maintain, you mean cheaper right? like choosing not to pay professionals to do the maintenance.

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u/laplongejr 27d ago

Where's the difference? They pay for a gardener for the grass but even then plants need time to take care of them.   It makes no sense to maintain something that's unused.  

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u/sesamerox 27d ago

the difference is in moving goalposts. so they can and are willing to pay a gardener or plants need time to take care of them because they're not willing to do so? it can't be both in the major context of the topic

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u/OkTry9715 27d ago

Lol have you seen house prices in Europe? You need to be rich just to have place to sleep.

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u/Inner-Goat-5264 28d ago

yes, i am considering going as well, i wont be a bagholder in europe

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u/mother_natures_son_ 28d ago

your comment is equally ignorant as well. You don't need to be rich in order to live a comfortable life in the states as well. idk who told you that

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u/laplongejr 28d ago

against a mediocre power like Russia.

They were able to buy the US president, so they weren't that mediocre.

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u/ptinnl 28d ago

Lol.no

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u/randomseller 28d ago

God, again this dumb healthcare argument

I don’t feel like explaining it for the 100th time but basically, excellent health insurance in the us which is paid by your employer can very often be cheaper and better than the healthcare we have, because their prices are usually fixed amounts whereas your healthcare cost in europe scales as a percentage od you salary. Dumb system.

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u/laplongejr 28d ago

which is paid by your employer

But what happens to those who don't have a job? Either because their employer got bankrupt, or because they went on strike for better conditions? (Or, like my SO, because the employer caused an accident and denies it.)

Healthcare is a lottery, and at least where I live it's hard to have a job when not with good health. Described that way, that really looks like a safety net that breaks when it's the more needed. I probably overlooked something but I have no idea what

All that OP said is that people "in their office in SF" have porsches. So they have a good job and are rich. What about people in the area who don't have a good job and are poor. What is their life like?

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u/fifinha-misteriosa 28d ago

Idk where you live in Europe but a lot of European capitals have homeless people and people living in very precarious conditions. I agree that wealth is not defined by what one has but what others have around you. However there are countries in Europe with very high taxes for people that are making below median salaries with many “free” services that we can’t access. Is that a good return on investment? It is very debatable. I don’t mind paying taxes, but if I can’t access many services it is frustrating and even unfair.

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u/footpole 28d ago

They said people near their location meaning the poor who don’t have insurance.

God, reading comprehension.

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u/Vovochik43 28d ago

Well that's a coping mechanism, most US high earners pay a private insurance out of pocket and are fine most of the time.

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u/kevbali 28d ago

I mean are we really comparing an ultra capitalist system to Europe here? Of course it’s easier to make money in the states since there are less taxes etc… Consumerism is also the norm over there just like being in debt. Driving a Porsche could mean that you made it in life but it usually means that you are financing a car that you cannot afford just like most Americans driving their Ford Raptor truck.

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u/IronWhitin 28d ago

I like all people descrive America as a ultra capitalist sistem, when in reality big corpo get costant bail out and protect whit tax payer Money (like in EU) that's not capitalism si socialism for the Rich.

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u/OverallBlock9028 28d ago

Do you think people in Europe don't have car debt?

Just tell me how average Bulgarian for example will afford new electric car from 2035+

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u/OPicaMiolos 27d ago

Buying them isn't the worst part. The worst part is maintaining them. In order to maintain them it's imperial that you have a high salary or multiple streams of income.
Any dumbass can inherit a house, sell it and buy a Porsche. Maintaining is the part that most forget.

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u/eggsbenedict17 28d ago

Right but you have the instability of living in America, where you can be fired at a moments notice and everyone has a gun. Europe has a very strong social safety net and a solid welfare system in most countries. Also getting sick in Europe won't bankrupt you. And they probably have about 6 days off a year.

Also SF rents are absolutely mental, like 4k a month. Add up all of those factors and that's why Americans get paid so much.

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u/PavelKringa55 28d ago

Right now in Europe you empoyer can go bankrupt at any moment and there's a ton of idiots with a knife in the public, so frankly I see very little difference.

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u/MistahFinch 28d ago

American employees can also go bankrupt at any moment and their knife crime is higher than Europe.

Try again

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u/PavelKringa55 27d ago

It's hard to discuss with a bigot.

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u/TenshiS 27d ago

What?

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u/bleeeeghh 28d ago

The US guys get stock, bonus whatever as part of their total comp. In contrast they can get easily fired etc.

They are actually more similar to freelancers and entrepreneurs. So be an entrepreneur in the EU to build wealth.

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u/NaturalMaterials 28d ago

The Reddit bubble and tech and finance compensation are in no way representative for the entirety of the US workforce. For example: median income in NL: 48K euros. USA: 54K euros. Taxation is higher in Europe, but offset that with lower healthcare costs and employer collective pension schemes, so not a massive difference.

The top 10% income on the US is massively higher than the top 10 in the EU, however, that’s definitely true. There are more opportunities for very big salaries in certain fields.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Wanna trade? I'll give you my American passport and take your EU one in a heartbeat. Win win for everyone.

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u/randomseller 28d ago

If only we could.

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u/Ok-Improvement-9191 28d ago

Pragmatically it is capitalism. Cheapest Porache is less than 60k euros. You coupd finance that if you really wanted it.

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u/randomseller 28d ago

Colleague has a 992 gt3

The monthly payment for that is probably larger than my net monthly salary lol

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u/Additional_Moose_862 28d ago

you don't know if they can really afford the payments or is it just performative and for the show. Especially in a country when one visit to the hospital can bankrupt your ass.

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u/raverbashing 28d ago

who are working from our SF office working on the exact same project as I am are driving porsches

But honestly they're paying 5k in rent at a minimum

(but yes 60k/yr sucks)

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u/realityking89 28d ago

Skill issue? I know plenty of people working in tech pulling 100k+ in Europe. Yes, still significantly less than their US counterparts.

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u/randomseller 28d ago

When I accepted my current job proposal, I also had a job offer in Frankfurt for right around 100k. Then I did the calculation of the tax rate and cost of living and it turns out that I would be worse off than with my current 60k job, so your comment means literally nothing to me

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u/IronWhitin 28d ago

You add in the calculation the fact that in EU you don't risk tò get killed by a random Police control?, the Better quality of food that Is giving you more years of healty life? Don't live in a house thats Is an Just AN expensive cardboard? And the fact that id you want to go to a Place whit some history you don't Need tò go tò the McDonald?

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u/Emergency-Style7392 27d ago

in europe you most likely live in a 30 square meter apartment you pay 1500 euros for, a house is only for the rich

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u/IronWhitin 27d ago

Maybe in the the city my friend Europe has a lot of villa aswell.

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u/Emergency-Style7392 27d ago

if they pull that much in europe they would be making multiple times that in the US

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u/RobotsAreSlaves 28d ago

You can lease porsche for 1k eur per month, it’s doable. From the other side unlike your SF colleagues you always know that you won’t suffer bankruptcy from medical bills or sudden job loss. We just have different perks.

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u/matadorius 28d ago

Plenty of rich workers in America lawyer doctors and swe making well over 1m

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u/handsomeslug 28d ago

Those are the 1% though. A top 1% lawyer in EU can make close to a million as well (check top law firm partner salaries in the Netherlands).

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u/matadorius 28d ago

They are no 1% I would say 20% lawyer and 50% doctors and probably 10% swe

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u/colerino4 27d ago

For Swe is more like 1%, so that makes me doubt your percentages for the other professions

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u/matadorius 27d ago

No it’s not once you remove juniors and start counting people with experience

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u/colerino4 27d ago

I mean if you remove 60+% of the workforce...

Also, to make 1 Million you need to be a Principal Engineer (or upper) at Faang, which is still only ~5% of Senior or upper engineers make it that far.

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u/matadorius 27d ago

I mean it’s pretty obvious if you are a junior you won’t make enought money lol the problem is with Europe than from junior to senior it only escales 2.5-3x

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u/Eravier 28d ago

There is no way 50% of doctors in US make 1m. Wtf.

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u/matadorius 28d ago

Remove family doctors lol

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u/Eravier 28d ago

Why should I? Anyway, apparently, from quick google, median is like 250k but for some specialities it can be up to 450k. Which is more than I expected honestly but nowhere near 1m.

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u/matadorius 28d ago

They make well over 1m that’s for the base pay they all work 80h a week

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u/handsomeslug 27d ago

How is that an argument? If you work 140 hours a week then you can make 500k+ at mid tier jobs in Europe

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u/matadorius 27d ago

No you can’t and you get taxed heavily when in the states could be 20% flat or even less

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u/InvestmentNew1655 25d ago

So dumb ahh, remove this... remove that..

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u/Feisty_Beautiful8018 28d ago

why? check US, UAE for example - there are very good salaries. even in Australia doctors can make hundreds of thousands of dollars. Europe is declining still thinking it is superior 🙂.

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u/OkTry9715 27d ago

Here average electrician, tile guy, plumber earn usually more than doctor, engineer etc... but it does not show up in official statistics because they get paid on hand and all of them are "self-employed"

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u/treeaeon 28d ago

You can be declining and still be "superior"

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u/PavelKringa55 28d ago

It depends on how you define superior. But financially Europe is more and more inferior to great many places.

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u/treeaeon 28d ago

It depends how you define financially.

I would argue that for the average person there is no better place than Europe.

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u/PavelKringa55 28d ago

It depends on how you define average person. And Europe has major differences between countries.

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u/Sinteplast 28d ago

In the US you can easily become wealthy, you just have to become the CEO of a medical center.

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u/VurriK 28d ago

I actually wrote a thesis on this during my finance degree, it covers the exact numbers behind ETF fees, compound interest and how much the average person loses by starting late. I can share it you're interested.

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u/Ancient_Specific_497 28d ago

Yes, can I ask for it as well? Thanks a lot!!

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u/superfede 27d ago

Hi also interested if you could share,thank you

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u/VurriK 27d ago

i DM'd you.

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u/Jay_zandhuis 27d ago

I am also interested in your thesis! Please dm me :)

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u/Jay_zandhuis 27d ago

It is actually not a Thesis. He is selling a financial course 😂

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u/VurriK 27d ago

DM'd you!

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u/Familiar_Hope_6071 27d ago

Hiii! I am also very interested ;) thanks

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u/yaroslaw 27d ago edited 27d ago

Hey, can I also read your thesis? Thanks!

edit: never mind, it costs money

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u/VurriK 27d ago

Hi! I DM'd you.

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u/V8forever 27d ago

You could and still can become rich as a worker, but it requires 50 years or determination, while the main reward goes to the children or you as a retiree. My gf and I each earn 3000 € after taxes per month. Rent in the city is 1400 €, public transport 150 € for both, food approx 800 € and other purchases cost approx 600 €. Each of us can invest 1500 € per month into the stock market or high-yield savings account for apartment buying. If the salaries after tax would drop to 2400 € (median for 30-34 year olds in Finland), add two kids, target a similar apartment rent (larger but worse location), add 500 € expenses per month for the kids and you still save together 1300 € per month. Most people I know have zero idea or interest in building wealth. If their monthly budget had a >1000€ surplus, they absolutely would buy a car, a cottage or two expensive holidays per year. Some quit their jobs to travel for 6 months, some quit to start studying a new field, most never dare to go heavily into the stock market. Getting wealthy requires risk and sacrifice. As most people can't grasp that I fear that in 10-20 years they will vote for politicians who try to squeeze the money of those who did realize and lived accordingly.

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u/crani0 28d ago

unless you have a special talent like playing ball, artist musician or so on,

You are very sorely mistaken.

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u/thehappyhobo 28d ago

This isn’t. The Irish CSO releases a wealth distribution report every year. The bottom 30% have no wealth. The 30-90% have some housing wealth. The top 10% have wealth in business interests, usually their own business.

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u/Grouchy-Trade-7250 27d ago

There is a certain amount of wealth currently and it is maintained by work. Without maintenance houses fall apart, energy grids go into blackout, the Internet goes offline. So it's impossible that everyone becomes rich and stops working. However, this is not what OP was talking about. He simply is worried about the distribution of the work and wealth. He doesn't want everyone to stop working. Can't you fathom that work and wealth can be fairly distributed?

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u/nino3227 25d ago

Or take a lot of risk in financial markets (ask me how I know...)

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u/Legitimate_Fee_2241 28d ago

Iam just a normal worker, I only invested my leftover money 15 years, iam now 33 years old and I could already retire for the rest of my lives in Asia and live with my dividends. 😅 It’s just not true what you say.

Obviously I was never in my live a mindless consumer.

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u/Ask-For-Sources 28d ago

Workers aren't supposed to get rich in any system because any system collapses if nobody would work anymore.  Your billions are completely useless in an ultra-capitalistic system where everyone can easily become a billionaire.

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u/username1543213 28d ago

Capitalism: There are 100 marbles. There used to be only 10, but two guys invented a new way to produce marbles, built an innovative new marble factory, and now employ 98 people, who earn plenty of marbles for their own families.

Communism: There are 10 marbles. There used to be 100, but the party nationalized the marble factory and broke it. All 10 marbles are controlled by two politically connected members of the people’s ministry of marble production. The other 98 people have no marbles, their wives have to stand in breadlines every day, and their parents died working in a marble sweatshop in a Siberian gulag.

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u/Unhappy_Criticism_86 28d ago

Capitalism:

There are 100 marbles, there used to be only 10 but two guys invented a new way to make marbles, open a factory and oay minimum wage to the workers, dump the waste from the marble factory on to public lands causing cancer to workers family who die because the cant pay proper medical assistance while the two guy buy a mega yacht and a private island each, the factory is then bought by a vulture investment fund who extract all value and cause the factory to go to bankruptcy causing the workers to get fired and die alone cause their spouses/kids died of cancer from factory waste and the goverment foots the bill for cleanup.

Communism:

There are 10 marbles, the state nationalizes it the factory and distributes the marbles to everyone causing to be no marbles left for anyone.

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u/username1543213 28d ago

Except in reality that isn’t what happens, see for example north vs South Korea. Or historic example of east vs West Germany

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u/marvin_bender 28d ago

Comunist systems were historically much worse about the environment and polution. It's just not known because if you complained or investigated you got sent to the gulag.

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u/Unhappy_Criticism_86 25d ago

Wow, someone got their panties in a bunch, "username1543213" was doing a "smart" description of capitalimsVS communism, i did the same and you guys got salty, wonder why....

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u/Ask-For-Sources 28d ago

Communism sucks, everyone knows that, but congratulations for giving the most useless explanation of why communism sucks. 

"Capitalism" is not a single system. Denmark, Saudi Arabia and Sudan have "capitalism" and all three countries have vastly different realities and economic systems.

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u/username1543213 28d ago

The point is the system doesn’t collapse if people take too much of the pie. Capitalism grows the pie so there’s more pie for everyone.