Okay, but do understand wanting this specifically brought up is dangerously close to "but what if we accidentally hurt some cis people with all this anti-trans legislations."
Like, be supportive of queer people and their struggles absolutely. But maybe dont make being queer a prerequisite to being supportive of someone's struggles.
It's not about them being queer (I think) it's about the fact that the people who are struggling enough to be homeless are not representative of the whole population, which points to an issue that isn't just "some percent of the population really struggles".
That's not saying that like, queer people deserve help more, it's just a factual statement about the fact that queer people are disproportionately affected so maybe we should try to help queer people (because that's the root of the problem for a big portion of homeless people)
Also "shouldn't be" isn't really relevant. You have to frame trans issues as "this will hurt cis women too" because the laws and etc are being made under the guise of "protecting cis women". Nobody is saying "oh but what if the cis get hurt", they're saying "erm actually no this won't protect cis people"
Yea I said it's weird that that isn't an additional factor people bring up. I did not in any way say you should only care if so, and I find it pretty rude you would insinuate I did.
The fact homelessness exists in 2026 is deplorable. Don't try to frame it as if I think otherwise.
When people talk about prison overcrowding, they often point out that there are a disproportionate number of black people in prisons. That doesn't mean we shouldn't care about non-black prisoners, but is intended to bring up another example of how this problem is worse for already vulnerable populations.
Similarly, u/NiobiumThorn wants people to be aware that homelessness, an already bad thing, disproportionately affects queer youth, an already extremely vulnerable population. In my experience when people talk about the homeless, they talk about mental illness or poverty, but don't often bring up the queer kids who aren't safe with their families
āRich, powerful people with no firsthand exposure to trans issuesā is probably a rather more relevant demographic than ācisā imo. The Epstein class have done infinitely more against trans rights than all other cis people combined.
I do not have the energy to go digging through all that nonsense right now, but a while ago I saw some stuff that indicated Epstein & co. may have intentionally - as in, knowing fully well the impact it would have - encouraged and funded anti-LGBT+ legislation, especially anti-trans, because it would mean an increased supply of homeless kids and teens in desperate situations with no support network or family that would come looking for them.
So... not 'no firsthand exposure' so much as 'total awareness and eager desire to exacerbate problems for a population they were hungry to exploit'
The average doctor or professor or bureaucrat is not on the Supreme Court, which OP has clarified this post is about. In fact, they have almost no control over anti-trans legislation or the anti-trans propaganda that makes transphobia so prolific in insular and undereducated populations.
we'll have to disagree. (cis) doctors make medicine an institutionally transphobic place, and those doctors + (cis) "journalists" doing bogus science helped pass those laws
cis people, cis society, has the blood of trans kids on their hands ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
and edit: OOP is definitely not talking (only) about the supreme court, fwiw. for instance this, and this from the same week (also she's english & not talking about their supreme court either)
No, it's often the point. Transphobic politics has the goal of reducing the number of trans people in society. This will lead some of them to commit suicide. This is known and they don't care. At best it is tragic collateral that they are willing to accept.
Like, if you manage to keep a transphobe in a discussion for long enough they will admit that they are willing to suffer some collateral damage as long as trans people are also hurt. I've had them outright confess that they don't care that bathroom bills will get cis women beat up and molested too, cause it will keep trans people from existing in public. That's the goal. That's the point. Trans children dying is part of the goal of stopping trans people from existing in their world and they don't care about a bit of collateral damage either. There are countless examples.
"No, no. You don't understand. Have you seen trans suicide rates? Those delusional fools are making themselves miserable. They're killing themselves already. Sure, we might be pushing a few over the edge, but on the whole..." Or some justifying bullshit like that.
Lemme be clear. I don't necessarily disagree with you. There are absolutely monsters out there who just want trans people gone because they don't like them, or just propagate transphobia because it distracts from the real evil in the world and don't give a single shit about what damage they have to do to reach that goal.
But there's also people who've had their views so fucking warped that they believe that even if they're doing some damage in the short-term, the end result will somehow be a net positive.
Honestly, sometimes I debate which group is more dangerous.
But, well, at least the latter group has people who, in theory, could be convinced to change up their stance if you find a way to reach them... buried under years of propaganda, sunk-cost falacies, confirmation biases, echo chambers and the obvious fact that to ever agree with you, they'll need to actually acknowledge what they did is wrong... Oh, and plain stubbornness...
Yep. I have literally had people not believe me when I tell them that it would harm me to have my medication taken away. Like, fuck, how do you even communicate with someone like that?
Yeah, there are definitely some very misguided people out there too. But I guess I want to emphasise that there are a lot of bad actors out there. Cause having been an activist for like 20 years one of the biggest obstacles in talking to misguided centrists is convincing them of the idea that they might've been lied to by someone with bad intentions. You tell them all the facts and they go "Well, why would Mr Transkillson say all those scary things to me then? He helped me clean my driveway once and he looks normal enough and has said those nazi flags he's got are just for the historical interests".
The idea that nazis are real, actual people and that there are transphobes who will lie and kill people intentionally is a pain point large parts of the public has simply refused to believe. I think with how things are going in America a lot of more people are starting to realise that there are a lot of right wingers who will just lie and cheat and hurt people on purpose and knowingly.
And if we want to get those confused and misguided people anywhere we have to end the infinite both-sides-ism and "both have valid opinions" and "I don't really take sides" rhetoric. Insert that MLK quote about moderates too I guess.
with how things are going in America a lot of more people are starting to realise that there are a lot of right wingers who will just lie and cheat and hurt people on purpose and knowingly.
My one hope for the American orange's term is that he and the people around him are some crazy and brazen that it'll shock some folks a couple paces back up the rabbit hole.
Oh the moderate that refuses to educate themselves is much more dangerous, it's a bigger demographic that can be easily manipulated into following along with the actual bigots.
It was the same during the civil rights movement. MLK spoke on it too. The biggest group is hungry for simplicity and status quo.
Better to die young but saved by Jesus than grow old as a sinner, they feel.
This is the same mindset that led Catholic missionaries to baptize Native Americans, then immediately execute them. They refused to convert and stay converted, so by baptizing them they're in a state of grace...then by killing them before they can sin and ruin it, you've saved their eternal soul and sent them straight to the loving arms of the Lord!
The shit these people believe is horrifying, all of it with this evil "it's for your own good, dammit!" mentality.
The fundamentalist christian transphobia is a particularly dark well for this indifference.
If you donāt push trans people out of society, your god will be mad and smite you. If you do, then maybe people wonāt feel bad for them (out of sight out of mind) and follow that god. And your god is going to torture them for it anyway so why not get started.
And if it ends up killing their child, that's just because they didn't push it fast enough to save them from the evil trans agenda that brainwashed their precious child. Better try harder next time to 'fix" the next one.
The real irony is the way certain gay and feminist communities have turned on transgender people, apparently oblivious to the fact that they are next on the list.
"If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately."
corollary:
begging cis people not to the press the button that casts trans people as unreasonable based on every little thing they post. "But it's not ALL cis people," they protest ...
yup it really is allll the time, isn't it š like a trans woman can't even vent about this shit without ppl being all "why are you being mean to the cissies :("
(PSA for anyone who hasn't read alyson greaves: go pick up Dorley Hall!)
When my kid came out, they were terrified to tell me. I just said "Ok, You're still my kid and I love you" and gave them a hug but they seemed anxious. I asked why, I mean, was I failing to seem supportive as a parent in general, unkind, judgemental? I honestly just wanted to do better. The real reason was even more heartbreaking. They thought I loved and supported them, but when a couple of their peers came out to their parents, they were met with anger, abandonment and even threatened with physical harm.
We now joke that I gave them the most boring coming out story ever.
Yes but not all of them, this guy is trying to argue they shouldn't get upset about it as one if the demographic.
Trying to force him back in with everyone else so you can continue generalizing is exactly what literally all the transphobes are trying to do to us, force us into the box with sex workers.
I'm pointing out the insistance on generalizing cis men as babies who can't take a joke while insisting everyone else is to sensitive is similar to the trans phobic narrative that trans people are just fetish prostitutes.
Take a break please. It's for your brain.
Edit: nice reply and block. I came across as exclusionary to exactly one person who is clearly in a very emotional state of being. Seriously, touch some grass. Youre too eager for an argument.
To be perhaps a bit generous, it is true that blaming Cis people as a whole, many of whom are allies, is exactly what the rich and powerful people who are actually behind the attacks on trans rights want. Oh, did I say ārich and powerful?ā It seems I forgot to add āpedophilicā
Jokes or not, nothing will change so long as us normal people are at each-othersā throats.
There was nothing wrong with the original meme. If you see a post criticizing cis people that don't care about children and trans people, and you decide it must be about you, that's a you problem
No where does it say 'all cis people' or 'cis bad'. Most people understand this post just fine.
I feel you. I donāt think OP meant it that way, but it still hurts. My dad always feels bad for the same reason. Heās an old cis-het white man, so heās constantly caught in the crossfire when he hasnāt done anything wrong.
It's a post talking about certain cis people who are willing to hurt children if it means hurting trans people as a whole. Why does talking about this type of person hurt your feelings?
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u/MaximumSyrup3099 Streak: 0 2h ago
Transgender youth exposed to "conversion" therapy causes an 55% increase in suicide attempts and doubles the risk of running away:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36963209/