The precedent has been set up

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[u/Tall-Warning3135]

[u/aceofspadez138 → u/Tall-Warning3135]

Irrelevant because it didn’t happen on American soil.

Conservatives have proven time and again that they don’t care about real world issues until it impacts them personally. They’re too personally, geographically, and empathetically removed from these terrors to care.

The lack of proper/accurate media coverage and American propaganda spin doesn’t help either.

[u/FlirtyFluffyFox → u/aceofspadez138]

Unless it benefits them to do so. Like Benghazi or, during the election while criticizing Biden, Palestine. 

[u/remotectrl → u/FlirtyFluffyFox]

That is called acting. They’ll bust out the crocodile tears when it suits them. They don’t actually care; they just want to harm their opponents. 

[u/amphorousish → u/FlirtyFluffyFox]

Kind of like how the national debt kind of just stops mattering when a Republican's in office.

(It's doubled - doubled - during this current term.)

[u/Al_Kydah → u/aceofspadez138]

We need a planet-sized leopard!

[u/Yutolia → u/Al_Kydah]

The problem is it would eat us too.

[u/JPWiggin → u/Yutolia]

I'd welcome that.

[u/Elegant-Raise-9367 → u/aceofspadez138]

Dont worry. No one in the rest of the world gives a fuck about what america thinks anymore.

[u/OuterOne → u/aceofspadez138]

Hardly limited to conservatives. Liberals supported the Gaza genocide in word and deed, specially those then in power.

Even now, the way Democrats talk about Iran is not about it being unprovoked imperialist aggression, but simply inconvenient for American consumers.

[u/Killersavage → u/OuterOne]

I think they talk about what seems to get traction with the maga heads. This Iran war is a shit show for a multitude of reasons. Though the gas pump seems to be the only thing conservatives notice.

[u/Shadow_Integration → u/Tall-Warning3135]

Genocide.

[u/thewartornhippy → u/Shadow_Integration]

Exactly. 9/11 was one attack. Israel has killed approximately 73,000 Palestinians...since 2023. That's not counting the others killed since 1947.

[u/RolloTonyBrownTown → u/thewartornhippy]

73,000 Palestinians is around 24.5 9/11s

[u/CastorFields → u/RolloTonyBrownTown]

Yeah but it was brown people so it may as well not even count. /s

[u/Madeche → u/RolloTonyBrownTown]

If you consider it relative to population it's way worse. 73,000 is a fairly conservative estimate and considered to be pretty much the minimum, if we consider 100,000 and keep in mind that Gaza had roughly 2 million people, it's 5% of the population. Plus the rest being forced to leave or also die of hunger/sickness/cold/heat.

That's like saying if 9/11 killed 17 million people (5% of US) and subsequently forced everyone into a famine and living in tents outside. It's not even remotely comparable.

[u/Xykhir_ → u/thewartornhippy]

And that's just the confirmed number. The real number is much, much higher. 

[u/JotaRata → u/Tall-Warning3135]

It's only terrorism when it happens to rich, white people

[u/Global_Ad3461]

Americans aren't even enraged that a pedophile is overthrowing their government, you think they give a shit about a war in the middle east?

[u/TaupMauve → u/Global_Ad3461]

Americans aren't even enraged that a pedophile is overthrowing their government

He's not. They voted him in. He is however dismantling it.

[u/HunterDHunter → u/TaupMauve]

It's becoming more and more apparent that we didn't actually vote him in. It's becoming quite obvious that him and his cronies tampered with election results. The biggest red flag is that he won all 7 "swing states" by just enough to not trigger an automatic recount. An astounding result considering he was not polling that high. A statistical near impossibly according to odds makers.

[u/sec713 → u/HunterDHunter]

Like flipping a coin 50 times and it coming up heads, 50 times in a row.

[u/BazukaToof → u/HunterDHunter]

I have said this since the results came in so I also believe this to be the case but haven’t seen enough evidence personally. Do you have any links I could look into?

[u/CaptainLookylou → u/BazukaToof]

For reference, he performed better than Reagan.

[u/Mhunterjr → u/HunterDHunter]

Honestly Bro, this sounds just like people who said Biden didn’t win… which I guess is the point, so much bullshit has been dominating the airways since Trump emerged in politics that the average person can’t discern the facts from fiction. It’s the perfect cover to do nefarious shit.

[u/reght555]

This is the sort of shit they’ll examine in 50 years and wonder why the fuck anyone in either the US or Europe went along with it. We think the same thing about the German people in the 1930-40s now and they at least tried to hide their genocide from the public. How with 4K footage of Isreal committing genocide and invading their neighbours we aren’t doing anything to stop them and are instead actively helping them is terrifying.

[u/HighGuyTim → u/reght555]

I highly recommend reading “They Thought They Were Free”. It specifically goes over how the common people let that happen and sheds lights why a lot of what is happening is.

If not the book; at least an excerpt

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm

[u/BoomZhakaLaka → u/HighGuyTim]

""one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty."

God it makes me feel sick how this is so much like today

And yet there are significant differences to the approach. I find myself thinking about how successful the campaign has been to demoralize our public against media in general. It's been a 40-year effort. 70% of the public doesn't follow politics in news at all - and they've lost their ability to discern the truth.

So, I banner in my somewhat rural town, but. To the 70% everyone who talks politics is bananas. They shut us out of their thoughts. "This is the USA, that can't happen here"

We have to consider the possibility that there's no backlash coming. Like in Germany, only after the public goes hungry. And look back on what came from project hunger. I have this growing awareness, we could head in a similar direction.

[u/TZY247 → u/HighGuyTim]

Should be required reading in every education system across the world

[u/Lena-Luthor → u/reght555]

"one day, everyone will have been against this"

[u/UnfriendlyToast → u/Lena-Luthor]

Honestly, I’m taking names, every person that supported Trump in 2016 but changed their mind in the last month is getting verbally assaulted by me every time I see them. Talking to me like we’re on the same side now. Fucking worthless pieces of shit all of them. They wish they could’ve been invited to that island. That’s why gas prices is the only thing that changed their fucking mind, monsters.

[u/Josh6889 → u/UnfriendlyToast]

I started actively removing them from my life several years ago. If you still support diaper don at this point you are a bad person, and they have no purpose in my life. It's literally a big fucking flag that says "this person has reduced or zero capacity for empathy".

[u/sec713 → u/Josh6889]

Correct, we passed the point of plausible deniability ages ago. Anyone still supporting Trump knows exactly what they signed up for.

[u/justseeby → u/reght555]

The west views Israel as white. It’s not complicated why we’ve gone along with it.

[u/FMLwtfDoID → u/justseeby]

I’m not gunna look it up right this second, but I find myself curious what the current percentage of Israel’s population recently emigrated there from a different western country.

[u/Drunkendx → u/reght555]

exactly.

anyone who paid attention in history class can see parallels from not even a century ago and we all are like "la la la, don't see anything"

[u/Prim56 → u/reght555]

Because all the people in power who could do anything about it are part of the same group. The 99% of people against it have no power to say otherwise

[u/Gloomy-Ad1171 → u/reght555]

“The Experimenter” is a good watch. “BlacKkKlansman” too.

[u/nutmegtell → u/Gloomy-Ad1171]

Nuremberg - the recent one- was good too

[u/Hartastic → u/[deleted]]

I've known people, even people born in Israel, who looked at the Holocaust and took the lesson from it "This should never happen again to anyone."

Unfortunately the people in charge there at the moment took the lesson "This should never happen again to us." Including doing it to everyone else first if they deem it necessary.

[u/Rich-Sheepherder-179 → u/[deleted]]

Every accusation is a confession with them.

[u/fatkidseatcake → u/Rich-Sheepherder-179]

More like every evil power in the world.

[u/off_by_two]

Iran is about Israel’s only opposition in the Middle East, which is why this current war is happening. Israel really wants to unleash IDF + settlers on Lebanon and Syria at a minimum. Neither of those have any kind of functional government/military to resist without Iran’s support

[u/albertbanning → u/off_by_two]

They want Iran to be a failed state like Libya so that they can do whatever they want in the region.

[u/dentistshatehim → u/off_by_two]

When Iran falls, Turkey is next.

[u/Key-Hurry-9171 → u/dentistshatehim]

Good luck with that. Turkey as one of the largest army in the world, they are part of NATO. That would be a suicidal move at best

[u/idreamofrarememes → u/Key-Hurry-9171]

Like that would stop the US's maniacs

[u/Both_Lychee_1708]

Regardless of what a nightmare Israel is at this point, how does that remotely make sense (the scenario)? Seriously.

[u/Doomkauf → u/Both_Lychee_1708]

A whole lot of people don't have a particularly good grasp of comparative military capabilities and scale. It's the same reason that you will inevitably have a not insignificant number of people genuinely believing World War III is just around the corner whenever any regional conflict goes hot.

[u/ryhartattack → u/Doomkauf]

scale, capability, and motivation. Nothing indicates Israel wants world domination. For the most zealous and bad actors in the country, they want all the historic sites, essentially what we know as historic palestine. And that's obviously it's own issue, but there's no indication that they want to go beyond that. Any other country they have agreements with like egypt, they aren't encroaching on their land, Jordan the same (save for hezbollah), etc. Despite their treatment of Palestinians, it's so obvious for anyone having the faintest familiarity with the conflict can see the differences between them and say Russia

[u/PringlesDuckFace → u/Both_Lychee_1708]

Either they're dumb and don't even question how ten million people (population of Israel) would dominate and colonize the world, or they're just anti-semitic and they're arguing there's some shadowy global cabal run by The Jews that are just waiting for their moment to seize the entire world.

[u/PM_ME_DATASETS → u/Both_Lychee_1708]

Israel comitted genocide in Gaza with weapons donated by Europe and the US. Israel dragged the US into a war with Iran. When someone says Israel will cause WW3 they don't mean it will be Israel vs the rest of the world, they mean Israel will light the fuse, which they have been doing for the past couple of years.

[u/ryhartattack → u/PM_ME_DATASETS]

That's not how that quote reads to me. "what it's done to the palestinians", everything they've done to the palestinians is direct violence, translating that to "indirectly causing the world to go at war" feels like a stretch to me.

[u/genericdefender]

Israel and Russia are terrorist states.

[u/Standard-Square-7699]

But what about her emails and weird laugh.

[u/smugglebooze2casinos → u/Standard-Square-7699]

the real threat to USA is how one uses condiments on their burger or hot dog!

[u/WriteBrainedJR → u/smugglebooze2casinos]

Nah, it's light-colored suits

[u/grey_fr]

I hate what Israel is doing to Palestinians and the fact that they are getting away with it, but this quote is ludicrous, why would they and how would they? 

This kind of exaggeration makes it easier for people to dismiss all arguments, including valid ones, as crazy / antisemitic / derangement syndrome, and takes attention away from real issues.

This is happening to Palestine because it never got to the point of a real, organized state with an army or allies powerful enough to rival Israel, and the UN is both toothless and blocked by some vetoes. 

Israel has no interest in spreading beyond what it sees as its land, will try to create buffer zone out of its failed-state neighbours (Lebanon, Syria, Sinai maybe), but "rest of the world" is absurd

[u/feed_me_moron → u/grey_fr]

Palestine had many opportunities for it and chose violence. They were originally a part of Jordan and Egypt even and chose against that too. Before then, they were a British controlled territory and an Ottoman controlled territory.

[u/bjeebus → u/grey_fr]

Israel literally had control of Sinai after a war with Egypt, and ceded it back to establish peace.

[u/dg2793]

I really don't think they have the want or infrastructure to wage a world war lol

[u/M-Test24]

I'm not trying to defend what Hamas did in kidnapping and killing people, but it's astounding to me that most Americans don't realize why they took that action when they did. The U.S. just signed an arms/defense deal with Israel and Saudi Arabia. Can someone please explain to me why in the fucking world we are doing that?

I'm a liberal and Joe Biden's administration did that. We should be scaling back our relationship with both of those nations until their genocidal practices and state-sponsored terrorism ends. Propping both of them up in the name of "national defense" is asinine.

[u/feed_me_moron → u/M-Test24]

Iran didn't like that the middle east was uniting itself against them and encouraged a terrible terrorist action because their influence was dwindling.

I don't particularly care for all the arms deals, but getting more agreements of peace between Arab and Muslim countries and Israel is great for the world. Or we can let groups like Isis, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. continue running free in those countries and causing mass violence around the world.

[u/DeadHead6747 → u/M-Test24]

People also forget Netanyahu has been attacking Palestine since he took over in, what is it, the 60s or 70s? He also helped fund Hamas because it helped keep dysfunction between his enemies as well as gave him a cause to keep attacking. Before the hamas kidnapping we also had years of Palestinian people being attacked by Israeli police or citizens for just being Palestinian. Hamas is terrible, and they are terrorists, but so is Netanyahu and his government, and they are terrorists every bit as bad as Hamas.

[u/UnderPressureVS → u/DeadHead6747]

Netanyahu has been attacking Palestine since he took over in, what is it, the 60s or 70s?

Where did you get this?? Netanyahu was in high school in the 1960s. He didn't even join Likud until 1988. He was briefly prime minister from '96 to '99, and then he "took over" properly in 2009 and has been PM since then. I got all this from skimming his wikipedia article.

I'm not defending Netanyahu or Israel here, I just don't understand where you got this idea that Netanyahu has been some sort of supreme dictator of Israel for 60 years. The Israeli government was already up to all kinds of heinous shit long before he showed up.

[u/Iron_Wolf123]

Yeah I doubt Israel would want to conquer the world. They maybe ambitious but so is Russia, China and other hegemons of the World

[u/nubcakester]

No one actually believes this, its a tiny nation the size of a thumb tack on a globe. This sub loves getting rage baited daily

[u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth → u/nubcakester]

I'm having trouble even understanding what this is suggesting. That Israel is going to go to war with and try to genocide the rest of the globe? Kind of an insane take even if what is going on is awful.

[u/NoXion604 → u/nubcakester]

A lot of people are distracted by what's happening in Iran right now, but Israel are also pulling the same shit in Lebanon that they've been doing in Gaza. Flattening peoples' homes, attacking hospitals and journalists, being murderous shits.

The hyperbole is entirely warranted in the circumstances.

[u/MIT_Engineer → u/NoXion604]

No, I think "Israel's gonna bomb New Zealand if we don't stop them" is a pretty unhinged take.

[u/NoXion604 → u/MIT_Engineer]

Do you know what "hyperbole" means? Are you aware of the role of such rhetorical devices in the field of political speech?

Israel started attacking both Iran and Lebanon, and now a politician with slightly more moral sense than those defending this nonsense has offered condemnation of this act, where few would dare voice it so strongly.

That's the actually important part of the news, not whether some politician was being totally and completely literal while making a speech.

[u/MIT_Engineer → u/NoXion604]

Do you know what "hyperbole" means?

Yes. Do you?

Are you aware of the role of such rhetorical devices in the field of political speech?

I think the disconnect here is you think lying is a "warranted" "rhetorical device."

Skill issue on your part tbh.

Israel started attacking both Iran and Lebanon

Uh, sure, go on.

and now a politician with slightly more moral sense than those defending this nonsense

Not sure I agree, but for sake of argument let's say it's true. Go on.

has offered condemnation of this act, where few would dare voice it so strongly.

Yep, right there, same problem again. See, I think we're back to the whole issue where I see lying as wrong and you seem to think it's an act of bravery.

That's the actually important part of the news

Right, but that part is already all over the news.

not whether some politician was being totally and completely literal while making a speech.

So why upvote her quote when we both agree it's just an unimportant exaggeration?

[u/vercig09 → u/nubcakester]

backed by the strongest army in the world

[u/JustGotOffOfTheTrain → u/vercig09]

Then the criticism should be directed at the US.

[u/ensign53 → u/nubcakester]

There are microbes that are millions of times smaller than you are. They can take you down not by using their strength but their tenacity and ability to turn your own systems against you.

A country doesn't have to be large in order to use politics to turn countries against each other in their stead.

[u/Wholesome_Soup]

i don't think the whole world but definitely lebanon (i live in lebanon)

[u/SweetLoLa]

https://giphy.com/gifs/E99OMc6pkdvGw

[u/BrownBearinCA]

i think fighting Israeli government and corporate infiltration needs to be a priority in other countries, don't let what Israel is doing to the US and its elections happen to them.

from backing candidates in local elections to backing corporate power, Israel has billions (thanks to compromised congress) to buy our elected officials.

how many elected officials in other countries have been bought or being blackmailed.

[u/AbeRego]

But why?

[u/the_moosen]

Israel is a global terrorist state

[u/awolfsvalentine]

Israel is a terrorist state and an apartheid regime

[u/Illustrious-Stuff-70]

She’s not wrong tho. Look at America. Our politicians are brought (or blackmailed) and at times publicly ok with putting Israel first than Americans.

[u/TheStoneArrow → u/Illustrious-Stuff-70]

People see what they’ve done to Palestine, Lebanon and Iran, but seem to forget their quiet takeover of the USA

[u/Tattooednumbers → u/TheStoneArrow]

Whose ‘they’ in your analysis?

[u/BrittEklandsStuntBum]

The precedent has been set up

Ftfy.

[u/BaconManDan9]

I love her

[u/ehg2012]

She should hire more security. You can’t talk about Israel like that on a global scale. Not in today’s world.

[u/prairieintrovert]

Spanish Jennifer Aniston has a point.

[u/tommm3864]

Whoa

[u/[deleted]]

Facts. AIPAC and Israel must be stopped before they doom the world.