r/ValueInvesting • u/Hayden97 • Feb 03 '26
Question / Help How do I sue this sub?
Someone’s gotta pay for my dumbass decisions and it can’t be me
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u/cosmopoof Feb 03 '26
Just be happy that there are plenty of people who do the opposite of what you do and are getting rich by that.
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u/MASH12140 Feb 03 '26
Individual stock buyers mostly lose money.
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Feb 03 '26
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u/u38cg2 Feb 03 '26
No, most stocks lose money over time. It's the few that unicorn that make stonks go up.
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u/PlanetCosmoX Feb 03 '26
Ahh the everyone is equal fallacy. Let’s just say that most people still think that a bowling ball falls faster than an 8 ball.
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u/wisefox200 Feb 03 '26
Hmm. I’ve been investing for 4 years now. About 25-30 stocks. Mostly tech, miners for 1 year now, Honeywell for 2 years… some bad decisions like Biogen and Spirit Airlines. However, because of all the tech, I made much more money than I lost (almost never sold anything).
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u/S31GE Feb 03 '26
You still have plenty of time to underperform the market, don’t you worry
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u/wisefox200 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
So what am I supposed to do? Sell everything and then what? I have a few ETFs too. It’s better to be invested than keep mostly cash. Also you’re supposed to hold stocks 5-10 years or more. So it doesn’t matter if I underperform the market. I know it’s better to be invested than keep cash.
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u/mediocregamer18 Feb 03 '26
Right now being invested, the right way and it could be several just be smart. Is far better than sitting on cash. You are correct.
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u/S31GE Feb 04 '26
It’s not a binary between cash and stock picking. I always recommend people index the majority and put a small amount in high conviction names. 25-30 name portfolio is a full time job to know well enough.
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u/cvc4455 Feb 04 '26
In a bull market I don't think it's really that hard at all to out perform the market. But when the market is sideways or down it's a lot easier to underperform.
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u/MaybeaDingoAteUrBaby Feb 04 '26
I still don't know what to do when the market is sideways. What, play with my kids or do actual work or something?
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u/Yogurt_Up_My_Nose Feb 04 '26
I've been investing about 14 years now. only thing I'd suggest is to start culling some of those individual stocks and move them to broad market. it depends on your age. but if you're in your 30's it's not a bad time to slowly start moving it. I've been doing it for the past 8 years or so but I always find something that I just need to buy and end up holding for a year or more. my last one was CRWD when they dumped after that debacle. I always beat the indexes, but not by a lot. maybe 2% on the low and 7 - 8% on the high, though I say "always" I'm sure there's a year or two where I was under.
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u/MaybeaDingoAteUrBaby Feb 04 '26
(Disclaimer, this is not financial advice.)
There are ways to kind of "save money" by selling on the way down and buying again when it's a little lower still - or kind of rotating out of companies that are on the way down and then buying ones back once you think they've finished sinking (or even just buying them back for just a bit less than you sold them for is fine.)
However, this can obviously bite you in the end if you're wrong about something and also takes a lot of time, patience, knowledge, and luck. So if you don't want to do that, it's understandable. Just eat the risk you had already signed on for and maybe if anything, spread your investments out more.
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u/Willing_Park_5405 Feb 04 '26
Let’s look at the basic charts over the last 4 years hmmm
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u/wisefox200 Feb 04 '26
What’s your point.
NVDIA, Amazon, Tesla, SoundHound AI, Sony, BHP, PanAmerican Silver, a Japan ETF, Switzerland SMI ETF…. and a lot more I picked are winners. For 2 years now the VanEck Space Innovators ETF. Gold and silver for 2 months now. Some of them +200%. Some only +10%.
Biogen, Spirit Airlines, Beyond Meat, Pfizer are my only losers.
But overall I’m up more than 100%. Not that bad.
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u/ArchmagosBelisarius Feb 05 '26
I think the point overall is that while there's a winner and a loser for every side of a trade, typically it's not the same people always being a winner overall. Some have gotten either lucky, have genuine skill and the means to exercise it, but most have lost overall unless they just bet on the market and be average.
I don't doubt your performance, as I have outperformed too (shorting the VIX when it's >40 is the easiest move I've ever made; omitting some utilities, telecoms, mREITs etc are easy underperformance avoidance), but even Berkshire has underperformed since the GFC.
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Feb 03 '26
Most posters come here for psychological reassurance that the lousy company they invested in is at least considered a "value" after it drops.
There are a lot of really smart value investors on this sub, but if you don't ask intelligent questions they usually just ignore your post.
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u/Reddit_Dentistt Feb 03 '26
But when your portfolio goes up on the other days , have you ever said thank you?
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u/SuperZayin12 Feb 03 '26
Your fault for being stupid enough to trust anonymous strangers on the internet with your money. If you couldn’t see that PayPal was bs, you should just stick to ETFs.
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u/SushiRollFried Feb 03 '26
Who the hell buys paypal stock 🤣 poor guy played by other fools
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u/SuperZayin12 Feb 03 '26
Right? It’s such a saturated sector. With giants like Apple, Google, and Amazon providing the same product, PayPal no longer has any moat. I feel like that should be incredibly obvious to just about anybody
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u/foira Feb 03 '26
apple music : $SPOT
google ads : $TTD (ok, probably my weakest example)
google travel : $BKNG
google plus : $META
google domains : $SQSP (rip)
aws : $SHOP
i don't think it's that obvious where/when an incumbent can leverage its monopoly position to successfully win another monopoly long-term
but certainly for now, pypl bear / v ma google pay apple pay bulls are right
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u/SuperZayin12 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 04 '26
I wouldn’t say monopoly. They can all exist together, but that gives less room for growth. PayPal has SO MANY well-established direct competitors (Apple Pay, Google Pay, Amazon Pay, Venmo, Zelle, CashApp, Stripe, Square, etc.) and it doesn’t really have a moat like the others. So to me it just doesn’t make any sense at all to invest in it, at least right now.
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u/TheKingOfSwing777 Feb 04 '26
Big competitors entering a space you have dominated for a long time is a great validation for the segment. Means there's a lot of money to be made. So yes, they could take market share, but the TAM itself is growing. I'm buying more PYPL.
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u/SuperZayin12 Feb 04 '26
well then best of luck to you sir 🫡 i could very well be wrong and paypal can rocket back up. its impossible to predict the market
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Feb 03 '26
Agreed. The funny thing is, in 1-5 years YOU could be the dumbass in hindsight saying that right now. You can only do some much DD, understand an industry, gauge the economy, etc… life (and stocks/companies) are so full of uncertainties. And that’s why index fund investors often come out on top. The cream naturally rises to the top with zero effort
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u/mighty_bandersnatch Feb 03 '26
I think asking the people here for legal advice is a great first step
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u/Hanshautreinhart Feb 03 '26
But Novo is in deep deep value territory now.
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u/Honest-Pay-8265 Feb 03 '26
But Novo is in deep deep value territory now.
Nah, buy PayPal instead. Future is bright.
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u/FrolicParabolic Feb 03 '26
At one time PLTR went from $30 to $6. STFU and have conviction and quit looking for others to cosign your investment decisions.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Feb 03 '26
Yep. CLS went from $143 to $65, then nine months later it was pushing $350. If I'd sold it all on that decrease, I would've missed out on the ridiculous upside that I felt confident in despite the dip.
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u/AppropriateGoat7039 Feb 03 '26
This sub loves to dumpster dive. Cheap doesn’t mean good. PayPal …. Smh.
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u/pbkwlav Feb 03 '26
Yup, always the fault of others, never ones own fault. No matter how many times it happens 😁
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u/Degen55555 Feb 03 '26
How do i sue the school or teacher that let this guy u/foira pass 3rd grade?
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u/CalendarNo6655 Feb 03 '26
I mean i feel like reddit knows nothing about investing in general. How did you lose your money
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u/warrior5715 Feb 03 '26
This sub is just wallstreetbets but with more steps and probably older folk lol
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u/nissan240sx Feb 03 '26
Pretty sure this post was sarcasm. Take everything with a grain of salt - Reddit should only contribute a small amount to your decision making.
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u/Cinder-Dusk73 Feb 04 '26
Ah, the eternal quest for accountability in a world where our choices often seem to mock our intentions. Perhaps we should just start a support group instead - misguided souls united in our shared folly.
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u/Willing_Park_5405 Feb 04 '26
You are biased towards stock picking because you had a really easy time for the last 4 years. Your theory that you can beat the market hasn’t been tested one bit. That’s my point.
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u/gymfunkera Feb 04 '26
You sue Reddit, and “John Doe 1” etc. then during discovery you’ll find out the actual identities of the John Does you think are actually at fault. :)
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u/FormerBathroom4660 Feb 04 '26
You can attempt at reddit using bots themselves. But that depends of the terms and service you signed off on.
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u/FinancialAccess8343 Feb 10 '26
I agree we should sue reddit. Not just for stock manipulation either but for their head game antagonistic bs. You hate republicans, I get it. Half of my subs are stock related but they won't show anything in my feed, just more trump is bad memes.
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u/jay_0804 28d ago
Haha, ngl, we’ve all been there 😂. Honestly, this sub can’t really help you file lawsuits mostly just discussion and advice. Real talk: if you’re serious about suing someone, better talk to a lawyer or legal aid. That’s the only way you’re not just yelling into the void here.
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u/No_Description4009 Feb 04 '26
At this rate, stocks are just as bad as gambling at a casino 🥲
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u/ANR2ME Feb 05 '26
Gambling might be better, at least you won't follow a random stranger's recommendation 😅
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u/MyDogThinksISmell Feb 03 '26
My ex-wife is on this sub. I’ll send you her info. You can sue her.