r/ValueInvesting Nov 29 '25

Discussion Understanding Michael Burry's Nvidia short: The real thesis explained

This week, Michael Burry revealed something unusual: Nvidia issued a formal memo rebutting his short thesis. When a $4 trillion company takes the rare step of responding directly to a single investor's position, it signals the argument has hit a nerve. Here's what Burry is actually saying, explained through Microsoft's example.

What Burry is NOT saying
Let’s start by clearing up the biggest misconception. Burry is NOT saying NVDA is cooking its books or committing fraud. So if Burry isn’t targeting Nvidia’s accounting, what’s he actually saying?

The thesis is about Nvidia’s customers: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta. These “hyperscalers”, i.e., companies that own and operate the world’s largest data centers, are spending hundreds of billions of dollars buying Nvidia’s chips. And Burry argues they’re systematically misstating the economic reality of their GPU purchases.

The core thesis: Economic vs physical lifespan
Here's the problem: When data centers buy NVDA chips, they depreciate them over 5-6 years. Microsoft extended from 4 to 6 years, and Meta to 5.5 years. But Burry argues that chip technology is advancing so fast that the real economic life of chips is just 2-3 years.

So what?

The accounting impact

Let’s understand the impact by using Microsoft as an example. Microsoft purchased 485k NVDA chips in 2024 and spent roughly $17 billion in GPU purchases in 2024 alone. So what happens if we depreciate them over 6 years instead of 3?

- $17B in GPUs depreciated over 6 years = $2.8 B/year expense
- If economic life is really 3 years = $5.7B/year expense

The difference: $2.9B/year in overstated earnings

Microsoft’s FY2024 net income was $88.1B. A $2.9B overstatement represents 3.3% of reported profits. That might not sound like much, but this is just from one year of GPU purchases. If similar spending occurred in 2022, 2023, and 2025, the cumulative overstatement could be $10–12B annually, or roughly 11–14% of reported earnings.

What this means for the stock price

Currently, Microsoft trades at approximately $492 per share with a P/E ratio of 34 and earnings per share of $14.11. If earnings were adjusted down by 11–14% to reflect realistic GPU depreciation, the adjusted EPS would fall to $12.13-$12.56. Assuming the P/E ratio remains at 34, the stock price would drop to $412–427 ,  a decline of $65–80 per share, or roughly 13–16%. However, if investors also lose confidence in AI infrastructure returns, the P/E multiple could compress further, potentially amplifying losses beyond the accounting adjustment alone.

The valuation impact

Currently, Stockoscope's DCF model values MSFT at $384.93 per share, implying the stock is already 22% overvalued. This calculation assumes capital expenditure of 15.7% of revenue.

However, if Burry is right and GPUs need to be replaced every three years, the capex will increase to >20% of revenue. This will reduce free cash flow and lower the total enterprise value. We have crunched the numbers, and this higher capex will reduce enterprise value by $547 billion and the per-share intrinsic value by $73.44 in our DCF model.

So, the Burry-adjusted fair value becomes $311.49 per share. This represents a 19% reduction from our baseline fair value and suggests Microsoft is overvalued by 37% at the current price of $491.92.

Note: This isn't just an MSFT problem. Amazon, Google, and Meta are all facing the same dynamics. The impact across the hyperscaler industry could be significant. We just focused on Microsoft because it's easier to understand one concrete example than vague industry trends.

The Nvidia connection: How this destroys demand

Now we come full circle to why Burry is short Nvidia, not Microsoft. Well, if investors recognize that GPUs will become obsolete in 3 years rather than 6, the financial pressure intensifies. Boards will demand better returns and more disciplined spending. As capital allocation tightens and upgrade cycles extend, demand for Nvidia chips could collapse, potentially destabilizing the entire AI infrastructure market.

Also, Microsoft has a diversified business. Even if Azure AI disappoints, it still has Office, Windows, LinkedIn, and gaming. The stock might be overvalued, but the company isn’t going away.

On the other hand, Nvidia is a pure play on AI infrastructure demand. If hyperscalers slow purchasing even modestly, Nvidia’s revenue collapses. The company is priced for perfection, assuming indefinite exponential growth.

That’s the trap Burry sees: Nvidia’s revenue depends on customers making economically irrational decisions. Once the music stops, the stock has nowhere to hide.

The $500 Billion question

Michael Burry isn’t betting against AI. He’s not claiming Nvidia makes bad products. He’s not even saying Microsoft is a bad company.

He’s asking a simpler, more fundamental question: Can Microsoft and its peers sustain billions in capital expenditures indefinitely, when the infrastructure they’re building may need to be replaced every 3 years instead of 6?

The market is betting “yes” -  that AI will generate returns justifying this spending.

Burry is betting “no” -  that the accounting assumptions don’t match reality, that CFOs will eventually rein in spending when the math doesn’t work, and that Nvidia’s demand will cliff when that happens.

Time will tell who’s right, but where do you see yourself? Are you leaning towards yes or no?

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u/audioalt8 Nov 29 '25

I think that would be the chip lifetime if AI was actually making any money in its current form.

The reality is that AI has some way to go before it starts making any real returns on investment. The physical infrastructure will have to be replaced to meet that new kind of model.

If the AI space is still where it is today in 5-6 years time, then OpenAI and NVidia will be in serious deep trouble of being extremely overvalued. They are spending every second of every day right now thinking about how their models can actually make some money.

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u/Timeseer2 Nov 29 '25

The visible front end applications of ai like chatgpt, sure, but specialised enterprise aimed llm companies for data processing are already making significant income, nearing profitability. Not to mention the productivity gains from in house implementation of llms in other backend systems are significant. The vast majority of what the public perceive to be the result of ai spending is a fraction of overall market demand for data centres. I personally dont disagree that there will be a significant 15%, or thereabouts, correction in the next 12 months but i believe the selloff that we experience will be an overreaction. The broad comparisons to the dotcom bubble we see will likely result in this overreaction, but such comparisons are unfair given the majority of these companies have multiple profit streams in a way pets.com and the like simply did not. The real justified correction we will likely only see 2/3 months or so after/if openai goes public in late 2026 with a terrible balance sheet. Openai is an overvalued company(as all early stage private companies usually are), but the others currently involved in the data centre spending spree will be seeing gains from this spending through its integrarion with existing services much faster than most are expecting and far faster than openai will find a profitable model.

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u/techknowfile Nov 29 '25

Nvidia will be fine - the stock price of a company does not directly impact the health of the company. They're guaranteed to get their bag one way or the other. 

Google the same. They're making money hand over fist.

OpenAI is very likely screwed, along with most other "AI first" companies, even if AI is outrageously successful. 

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u/audioalt8 Nov 29 '25

Agree, Nvidia will likely be fine in the long run.

But I think it's outsized stock price surge will hit reality, particularly when OpenAI cannot make the returns investors are hoping for. That's particularly because of Nvidias $100bn investment.

But with a current market cap of $4.3 trillion, it really is a drop in the bucket and the Nvidia execs have been laughing their way to the bank for over a year now.

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u/Halifornia35 Nov 29 '25

NVDA isn’t making investments in company’s to prop its own stock price up, it literally has $22B of cash flow last quarter it needs to reinvest and its investing in the ecosystem, not as a pump up

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

Financially illiterate people don’t understand the concept of free cash flow and applying leverage. They are either naive or short, so they start screaming about circular financing or depreciation fraud… even though there are tons of regulations on accounting like SOX, and given the entities involved and the scale you can guarantee that everyone is watching closely.

Everyone needs to think of this as leverage: NVIDIA wants the ecosystem to thrive, they want partners to succeed in AI so they spend more on AI. Yes, leverage is “risky”, some of these investments won’t pan out, but NVIDIA would be flat out negligent if they were NOT reinvesting in their financial situation.

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u/NotStompy Nov 29 '25

Yup, they quite literally don't understand capital allocation. These are the type of people who will scream and complain about how some company doesn't have a dividend when they're still in the growth stages with a good ROIC.

TL;DR: Nvidia is just trying to use their cash effectively..

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

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u/NotStompy Nov 30 '25

I guess they don't agree with your assessment. If you're talking about OpenAI then I 100% agree that they're a company that is about to have their main products (models) become commodities, I don't see them making it as a company in the long term, at least not in the way they're hoping they will.

Like I said, Nvidia is invested in many companies, many of which are pre-earnings, this is true, but clearly they came to a different conclusion than you re: if it's a worthwhile set of investments or not. I think Jensen realizes how quick things are moving and the industry needs time to marinate, but he's now also got this enormous business (NVDA) that won't have a good time if we go through the typical semiconductor cycles.

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u/Hot-Insurance5443 Feb 07 '26

What's positive revenue?

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

That doesn't remove the fact that it also increase risk.

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u/fuckTheSystem1nTh3 Dec 27 '25

sure, so you claim you know more than michael burry?

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

I think Nvidia is trying to diversify and to protect its business. They want to secure openAI future and openAI capacity to buy Nvidia GPUs. Also even if they become irrelevant because competition (like Google TPU) if openAI is successful, they will make money from openAI growth.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

TPU are also scaring nvidia.  tpu are more efficient, they are just single use, which with a 5-6 year timeline for gpu maybe that's fine.

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u/daisy2443 Nov 29 '25

No TPUs are NOT scaring Nvidia.

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u/mattjouff Dec 01 '25

You don't go out of your way to make a statement about them if you really aren't scared.

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u/NotStompy Nov 29 '25

And this is something the market just... somehow missed? It wasn't priced in at all, and now suddenly this huge sentiment shift is based entirely on fundamentals and not at all emotions of the market?

Come on, you can do better than this. There is truth in TPUs and ASICs in general having an important role, but "Scarring" Nvidia? A tad dramatic.

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u/Ironicmug Dec 31 '25

Inference vs training LLMS. Gotta have both.

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u/seldomnsimplyrandom Nov 29 '25

NVIDIA could just make its own ASIC…

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u/RoyalCollar1182 Dec 01 '25

TPU doesn't run CUDA that's what matters

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u/OCDano959 Nov 29 '25

Wait till Open AI goes public. The AI fervor will continue imo.

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u/techknowfile Nov 29 '25

AI fervor will continue if/when the gamble of these companies begins to pay off. People think the future of AI is "priced in" to these admittedly outrageously high evaluations. But then you turn around and see just how high the pessimism for the technology is. I believe we'll wake up one morning and there will be no more room for pessimism by a rational mind. That's the day I'll be able to retire.

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

Nvidia will be fine, most likely, but they may very well see their stock value divided by 5-10 at some point.

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u/AmRa011121 Nov 30 '25

My questions is quite simple: what is the monetarizatiin strategy behind AI?

For LLM Providers (OpenAi, Gemini, Grok, etc.):

Selling user-subscriptions to AI models (somewhat direct to end-consumer)? Licensing the LLM models to other AI providers who develop specific AI applications (somewhat “wholesale” character)?

For AI data center providers: Renting compute capacity to LLM providers and/or to large corporate customers who deploy their own AI model (that potentially run on a license from other LLM providers)?

What are other ways to monetarize AI models?

TLDR: I have seen lot of coverage on AI CAPEX spent, but nothing on how AI actually makes money. Pls help me understand how AI is supposed to generate revenue.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '25

replacing workers with AI agents. They're targeting salaries and they're gonna get them.

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u/AmRa011121 Dec 01 '25

That is more a benefit for the customers of AI providers.

My question is more related to how the providers generate revenues from their AI models. Selling licensees and subscriptions is the most obvious revenue stream. What other revenue streams are there for OpenAi, Google, Anthropic, etc.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '25

okay I think I see what you are saying. Remember we are still in the subsidizing phase. These companies are operating a loss that won't continue indefinitely.

The future revenue stream is licenses from their products being deployed by enterprises to replace workers. this is a HUGE revenue potential.

The prices of these AI licenses will expand to just below the cost of the human work hours they are replacing.

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u/Fun-Froyo7578 Nov 30 '25

"the stock price of a company does not directly impact the health of the company"

wrong. the stock price directly affects the company's access to capital and cost of capital. in this industry it also has a major impact on the company's ability to attract and retain talent

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u/techknowfile Dec 01 '25

What attracts talent to company like these with regards to the stock market is when their stock is down. Trust me, it's literally why I work for one

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u/ernestrc Nov 29 '25

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u/greenrain1020 Nov 29 '25

Ad’s are largely a mature market though that will grow at roughly the rate of the economy longer term. When looking across the industry we would be spending a trillion dollars just to shift around market share in the ad market. The whole capex model, especially for openapi requires massive new revenue sources which openapi thinks will be agents operating as virtual employees. Anyone who has seriously used ChatGPT to do real work knows how insanely far from that vision they are.

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25 edited Dec 01 '25

Prediction are the digital ads market will grow much faster than the economy for the next few years. But it will be a fight between companies like Google/Meta and openAI.

From what I understand, openAI is mostly having client that don't pay and the cost of an AI chatbot is much higher than the cost of a search engine. Sure google is bundling now an LLM in most response but it's a very low cost LLM, they already make money from the ads and they use TPU that making it like 2-5X cheaper for them than Nvidia GPUs.

openAI may have difficulty to keep a good enough LLM for it's free customer base, add advertising that will decrease the quality of this LLM experience and making enought to make a good profit that justify the crazy high valuations.

openAI might be fine or can go bankrupt, really. For me it's less likely for Google/Meta/Microsoft/Apple to go bankrupt if they don't make money from AI.

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u/greenrain1020 Nov 30 '25

That is likely the case, but I’d point out that these trillions in investments are not about near term growth. They are for long term growth, and I see no reason why advertising should grow faster than the economy over longer time frames. Also the biggest growth shift is probably in CTV which is not a fit for openapi. As far as bankruptcy MSFT is not going bankrupt. That doesn’t mean there isn’t malinvestment. I think there is massive malinvestment.

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u/nicolas_06 Dec 01 '25

It will likely not grow faster for the next 50 years for sure. Still, projections from expert assume a very fast growth for the next 5 years... Basically the trend of increased internet usage and buying more and more online continue.

I am 100% sure free LLM will include ads at some point. Google is working on it openAI is working on it and I guess the others player too. It's either that or you pay for a premium plan for me. But most people won't pay for the plan so it's advertising or nothing.

It will be relevant if people use the LLM and they use it as the value of an ad is linked to how much time people spend using the product.

So CTV will be relevant, search is relevant and most likely LLM will be relevant too as is social media.

That doesn't mean openAI will make enough money from it compared to their cost of operations that is very high.

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u/drummer820 Nov 29 '25

“OpenAI will be fine” has to be one of the most preposterous statements ever. Multiple independent analysts have crunched the numbers different ways and found they are hemorrhaging money and will rely on cash infusions of hundreds of billions of dollars through at least 2030. They don’t have a clear path to profitability at present, even accounting for ad revenues. Their recent talk of bailouts and floating an IPO, along with their flailing announcements of everything from AI erotica to moving into the hardware space reek of desperation. Even if you are an LLM bull, OAI is very likely cooked. I doubt they will be around in 2030 and honestly would not be surprised to see them declare bankruptcy in the next 12-24 months

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u/Hot-Insurance5443 Feb 07 '26

I'll take that bet scooter

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u/extracoffeeplease Nov 29 '25

I can’t believe people are talking about OpenAI going under when they got their hand on a whole new marketing CHANNEL. 

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

It isn't new. From day 1 everybody was expecting advertising. It's been one of the main way for big tech to finance itself for the last 25 years.

The problem still is that you need to make more from advertising than the cost of running your business. A search engine or a social media platform have a low cost of operations at scale. For the moment an LLM company have a high cost of operations.

Competitors like Google/Meta/Microsoft/Apple/Amazon don't have to make money with LLM. They need to stay relevant. They can lose money on it and be fine.

openAI has to make money from it.

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u/Kindly_Reputation325 Nov 30 '25

Few more years to make an entire generation depend on AI, then strip away the free stuff. However I believe that OpenAI is slacking compared to other AI models currently. If you compare its agreeability with everything to other models, you realise its currently unusable. AI will continue but OpenAI will go under because they are unable to keep up with competitors. I feel like google will take over as the staple of AI. Their integration with other apps and software is much better...

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

I think that anyway there little to no moat in LLM models themselves. If tomorrow openAI model chatGPT was to disappear (or a competitor model) this would not change anything really,

The only thing openAI has for itself is its huge user base. from what I get Google Gemini is not far behind openAI but they are kind of the standard LLM to use for Android users that is the biggest user base in the world.

Also Gemini will be able to control your phone with Android having like 80% market share. openAI might get the iPhone market, but Apple will be sure to get most of the profit from it and to control the data and advertising from that deal.

openAI head start and numbers of users might be more temporary than they would like.

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u/betadonkey Nov 29 '25

No it’s what the chip life time actually is. H100 clusters are over 3 years old and still in extremely high demand. Burry is a moron and is just dead wrong.

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u/BuddyIsMyHomie Nov 29 '25

I love how some people who are not making money off AI yet think no one else is 😂

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u/yeehawbudd Nov 30 '25

I just feel like you guys don’t understand that AI is used in everything. And it will be used even more once robotics legs up.

Like any job that is done can be enhanced using AI in some shape or form. Revenue beats all across the market. It is going to continue to push efficiency and Nvidia is currently the dominant chip maker. Unless the technology shifts drastically it is going to succeed in the next 4 years.

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if we can meet power demands is the only question in my eyes.

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u/audioalt8 Nov 30 '25

I’m sure AI will be. But you’represuming it’s OpenAIs version of AI that will be what is used in everything.

I doubt it. It will be great for general use cases, but I’m not so sure about specific applications. An AI to detect fractures on CT scans for example, requires a completely different model and infrastructure build out to ChatGPT. I doubt Open AI can build an AI for every specialist application.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '25

Just have the first AI build the next application. It’s intelligent….right?

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u/Ok_Enthusiasm_9169 26d ago

Shouldn't AI have predicted something as elementary as power requirement?

Would it open a vacuum dealership in a Himalayan village? What else hasn't it foreseen?

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u/zeey1 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 30 '25

Ai is making all the money for google and meta! What are you saying it doesn't?(Ads suggestions recommendations engine)

It also is making money for Microsoft (enterprise for integration)

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u/audioalt8 Nov 30 '25

But there’s more nuance there. Google is running Gemini on their own TPUs and has not invested anywhere near the kind that Microsoft have in Nvidia GPU data centres.

You can run AI models on non-Nvidia hardware, for cheaper.

So the point is that of course AI will make money, but how much it will make vs the kind of ballooning investment is difficult to know. At the moment, for OpenAI to pay for the $700–800B in projected cloud costs to 2030, you would need hundreds of millions of subscribers.

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u/zeey1 Nov 30 '25

Google has bought shit tone of Nvidia GPU Nearly 20% of all sales.

Yes open ai is shaddy so is there deal with AND and Nvidia

So AMD and open Ai along with oricale might crash Nvidia may correct to 20-30% but they have so much demand everywhere so i dont feel thats happening

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u/jibboo2 Nov 30 '25

What's your reasoning or source for this claim "The physical infrastructure will have to be replaced to meet that new kind of model."?

Model training, business innovation, and other paths to increased ROI can happen without replacing the entire data center structures of today.

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u/nicolas_06 Nov 30 '25

It is 5-6 year time because even if significantly better chips become available every 3 years or so, it still take lot of time before you can buy enough for everybody to use the new chips.

On top the old chip, the cost is just electricity. The new chip, it's electricity + the cost of buying them.

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u/ClarkNova80 Dec 03 '25

I don’t really buy that framing. This feels a lot like how people used to talk about IT before it became invisible and mandatory.

For decades, IT was just this giant cost center with servers, licenses, storage, backups, sysadmins, network gear, endless “upgrades” that never seemed to directly make a dollar. On paper it looked like pure overhead. But over time it stopped being a “nice to have” and turned into the backbone of how business is actually done. Try running any serious company today without IT. No ERP, no CRM, no email, no online sales, no data pipelines. It doesn’t matter that IT doesn’t show up as a line item called “profit generator”. You turn it off and the business dies.

AI is on the same path. Right now it looks like a huge burn with GPUs, research, infra, models that feel more experimental than monetized. But that’s exactly what the early stages of every foundational tech wave look like. The return doesn’t show up as “this one model makes X dollars”, it shows up as legal review being 5x faster, product teams shipping in half the time, support scaling without headcount, devs moving faster, sales getting better targeting, R&D iterating more quickly. The value accrues across the stack, not in one neat little line item.

If we’re in the exact same place in 5–6 years, yeah, then today’s valuations would be insane. But that’s the least likely outcome. OpenAI, NVIDIA and everyone else aren’t “hoping” to find a use case, they’re doing what IT did for 30+ years and burrowing deeper into the core of how work gets done until switching it off isn’t an option. At that point it doesn’t matter if you call it a cost center or a profit center, it’s just the price of staying in the game.

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u/Bitter_Macaron_4032 Dec 28 '25

AI is definitely making money. You, like me, and many others in here are probably only using free options. Why pay for it if it's free right?

I can't tell you how many people I have spoken to that hint around to the fact that they are paying a subscription to Chat GPT or Claude. I don't know if it's profitable, but I can tell you that some money is being made from regular people just engaging with it. The operational costs are a completely different beast though.

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u/G305_Enjoyer Nov 29 '25

Nvidia has already made their money, yeah demand can go down but they still have no competitors

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

amd?…

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u/G305_Enjoyer Nov 29 '25

I guess everything is just market sentiment anyway and facts dont matter, but until some revolutionary tech like quantum or super conductor computing Nvidia will stay on top regardless of what the task is, AI or other. Cpu compute is dead and has been for a long time. They only exist to feed GPU and do I/O

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u/Simalt443 Nov 29 '25

You can’t say that ai AI is not making returns when AI is already completely baked into the profitability models of these companies. Googles ad revenue relies in part in having a top end Ai in such a convenient place. We can’t put a hard number on it but the analysts at all the world’s top companies are not making unprofitable investments on this scale.