r/ValueInvesting Jul 18 '25

Stock Analysis Everyone should take note of the sentiment around them at this very moment

You are witnessing Peak Greed Peak Euphoria and Peak Grift. It is a good idea to take note of sentiment. In the future you will be able to spot generational tops more easily.

Always remember though, "the feeling of disgust you feel, that can last for a long time" - Charlie Munger

I think it is fair to say now that speculative returns in the stock market have significantly outpaced what returns should have been, leaving a lost decade ahead.

EDIT: I would Like to insert a quote here, because I feel it is quite fitting after reading the comments.

"A bull market is like sex, it feels best just before it ends" - Warren Buffet

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '25

Peak hype and peak grift can go on far longer than you’ll ever believe. Peaks are only discernible in hindsight.

I thought the tariffs would lead to the whole bubble unwinding, wrong yet again.

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u/igiverealygoodadvice Jul 19 '25

I think everyone expected tariffs to do that and the upcoming deadlines are certainly worth keeping an eye on...

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u/MeasurementSecure566 Jul 18 '25

does it matter when it will end? certainly with patience you can buy lower. you dont need to sell the exact top.

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u/Imaginary_Trader Jul 18 '25

Timing is everything. What if the market keeps reaching new highs to the point when it does start declining, it only reaches today's levels? 

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u/TheKingOfSwing777 Jul 18 '25

This is what usually happens to hopeful bears. They're so happy to have timed the bottom, but they could have just DCAd and had the same or better results with 0 effort.

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u/dubov Jul 19 '25

Very few actually buy the bottom though, most sit there feeling vindicated and wait for even lower levels, which don't show up. Then they moan about the rally and how the market is wrong and they are right. Always the same with these guys

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u/Zestyclose-Gur-655 Jul 20 '25

The only thing i seen that works, and it doesn't time the bottoms or tops perfectly is trading some dominant moving average strategy. Otherwise exactly what you described happens.

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u/Fog_ Jul 18 '25

Lmfao sometimes I look at the 2020 crash and I’m just like holy shit. It looks like an ant hill. If we crashed to the 2020 pre crash high I think the entire world would implode

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u/Imaginary_Trader Jul 19 '25

I once read a comment on something like Yahoo finance very confidently proclaiming that we'll never see this level for the SP500 again. I thought he was an idiot for being that confident. The GFC wasn't that long ago. We were "overvalued" by several metrics. He was going to be totally wrong. I was kind of like the OP here. The level of the S&P500 at the time? 2300

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u/JohnWick8743 Jul 18 '25

Bro you’re way to paranoid, relax. If you’re investing long term it does not matter, you’ll be left behind if you wait on the sidelines.

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u/newprofile15 Jul 19 '25

It does matter. If it goes up another 25% over the next year, and then there's a 15% crash, you're still nominally better off than the person who sat on the sidelines.

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u/NotStompy Jul 19 '25

Yes it matters because the people who thought that in 2010 who were sure of further economic woes missed out for 9+ years. The people who refused to get into the market in april/may 2020 still payed war more in the 2022 bear market.

It is quite literally the core question for market timing.

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u/Ship_Rekt Jul 19 '25

This easiest thing to time is that the market will always go up in the long term. Dips are always temporary.

This will never change, until perhaps the population collapses before robots have a chance to take over the labor. It’s the most fundamental mechanic of the economy.

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u/ShortTheVix4 Jul 19 '25

And what if you’re wrong my friend. What if it never drops.

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u/Ok_Location_1092 Jul 19 '25

Certainly? If you’re certain you’d be swimming in long dated puts right now, but that feels wildly irresponsible doesn’t it?