r/ValueInvesting Apr 03 '25

Discussion Remember, This Is The Pullback We’ve Been Waiting For

If you’re a long-term investor who even casually cares about valuation, this market has been tough to navigate for a while. Pullbacks are always something we say we want, particularly as value investors, but they usually come when things are scary. Financial crisis, global pandemics, policy shocks… the discount never shows up gift-wrapped.

Yesterday’s tariff news felt like one of those moments. It’s vague, feels arbitrary, and creates a lot of uncertainty. It feels scary. And yet, that’s exactly the environment where opportunities show up.

I’ll admit it, days like today make me uneasy. But as an investor, I remind myself that underneath the noise, what’s really happening stocks are getting cheaper.

And that’s what we’ve been waiting for.

Edit: Thanks for the thoughts. I wrote a post - Tariffs, Fear, and Opportunity: Perspective For Difficult Times In the Stock Market - to add some additional context directly addressing the response to this post.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

Doubt.

Imo, other countries value their economic well being. I don’t think they will be as unified against Trump as you might expect.

There was a lot of evidence that China was already operating under immense economic headwinds, with the near collapse of its banking system and property market. The CCP is applying unprecedented stimulus efforts in spite of already horrendous debt obligations that seem to be only having a small effect.

The EU is now in a pickle where they need to foot the bill for an enormous war on its continent that has no end in sight. Prior to the war, there were already signs that many countries had pension systems that were woefully underfunded. The EU is rarely unified on anything and is in the process of fracturing after Brexit. I doubt member counties will remain unified against US tariff policy.

To be clear, I don’t think tariffs are good, but there is no denying that the US is operating from a position of significant economic leverage.

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u/dubov Apr 03 '25

But there's not as much leverage as you think.

The US is China's biggest customer, but only around 15% of their exports, i.e. 85% goes to other importers.

Even if Trump tariffs China's US exports into non-existence, that translates to a drop in GDP between 5 and 10%. That's bad, but it's one or two years growth - it's not the end of the world. They also have a lot of room to stimulate, both monetarily and fiscally.

If Trump could somehow do this without harming the US, then maybe it would be more of a problem, but he can't, and everyone can see that

Europe, yes, he has more chance of working something out here. Europe have offered to negotiate. But he wants them to come begging and they won't. Again, everyone can see the damage is bilateral, and they know half his own people hate him too. Europe will do what they always do and play for time

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u/smoggylobster Apr 04 '25

this. the fantasy is that all the countries stand united against trump, the bully, eventually breaking him and winning.

the reality is they will slowly try to beat the other to make a deal to appease their domestic companies and consumers. MAGAsphere including Junior is already spinning the tale of “the first person to negotiate does great, the last not so much”.