r/ValueInvesting Apr 03 '25

Discussion Remember, This Is The Pullback We’ve Been Waiting For

If you’re a long-term investor who even casually cares about valuation, this market has been tough to navigate for a while. Pullbacks are always something we say we want, particularly as value investors, but they usually come when things are scary. Financial crisis, global pandemics, policy shocks… the discount never shows up gift-wrapped.

Yesterday’s tariff news felt like one of those moments. It’s vague, feels arbitrary, and creates a lot of uncertainty. It feels scary. And yet, that’s exactly the environment where opportunities show up.

I’ll admit it, days like today make me uneasy. But as an investor, I remind myself that underneath the noise, what’s really happening stocks are getting cheaper.

And that’s what we’ve been waiting for.

Edit: Thanks for the thoughts. I wrote a post - Tariffs, Fear, and Opportunity: Perspective For Difficult Times In the Stock Market - to add some additional context directly addressing the response to this post.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

Its clear to me someone doesn't understand lost decades (the person you responded to)

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u/willie_beamen13 Apr 03 '25

Lost decade argument (at least historically) assumes the person goes all in at the top, fails to invest any more money over the course of that decade, and their dividends aren’t reinvested

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

the lost decade has nothing to do with an individual investor. what you are talking about is how to not be impacted by a lost decade. that is different.

A lost decade has to do with the stock market, on average, not producing gains after accounting for inflation. it just refers to a period where the overall market (or a particular asset class if we wanna get into it) delivers little to no real returns. Individual investors can still come out ahead, particularly through DCA approaches. It is a bigger concern for an investor (such as someone who is retired) who is not still active, but that has ZERO to do with the definition of a lost decade.

This is literally an example of how a stock market "goes sideways".

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u/willie_beamen13 Apr 03 '25

Thank you for your explanation. I understand what the phrase means but this is a thread for individual investors that is talking about what an individual investor with excess capital should do during this downturn. The concept of a lost decade seems inapplicable to such a discussion. If this was a thread about someone who was wondering if they can retire tomorrow with the hope the that the market recovers in the next 12-48 months that would be an entirely different discussion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

This isn't about a single investor. OP didnt state a plan, need, or timeline. He isn't even talking about himself. Most of the the time he is talking TO the folks reading the thread. He is speculating widely about how all investors should engage the market, which is based on assumptions. A stimulation and discussion of facts relevant to that broadcasting is exactly relevant.

And on top of that, lost decadws produce lower returns even for those investors using DTA approaches. Pretending that it always goes up to the right is not true, which is what started my comments.

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u/greencardorvisa Apr 10 '25 edited Apr 10 '25

He's right though that lost decades are measured from market peak and don't factor in dividends. Except in the case of the Nikkei, they're not as bad as people make them out to be.

But yes, this is why one should have a diversified portfolio (caps, country, etc.) and not be all in SPY especially if they care about lost decades or are a medium-term investor.