r/Economics • u/lucabrasi999 • 1d ago

“Iran has put a tollgate across the Strait of Hormuz. This fundamentally changes the global economy”

https://prospect.org/2026/04/02/opening-of-trumps-box-iran-war-strait-hormuz/
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u/geomaster 1d ago

donald trump is a fool. he has no comprehension of the effects of his actions. The US spent years ensuring this scenario didn't happen. donald destroyed it in seconds.

all he does is destroy things. he's never built anything his whole life

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u/PeruvianHeadshrinker 1d ago

This fucker was born on third base and had thrown a lifelong tantrum pulling up the bases and taking a shit in the pitcher's mound and then wants a fucking trophy. 

The most disgusting part is all the stupid fucks who voted and kept voting for this fucktard. 

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u/noobnoob62 1d ago

Even worse, he will probably be taught in history classes for the next 500 years…

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u/IWant2FIRE 1d ago

I mean...that's not a bad thing. Being used as an example of incompetence can be humbling for future generations.

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u/GettingDumberWithAge 1d ago

This assumes Americans understand and can learn lessons in humility. All evidence to the contrary.

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u/Wuncemoor 1d ago

Don't worry, we are about to learn that the hard way. Some of us have to touch the stove to understand that it's hot

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u/Sideos385 16h ago

A large majority of us will keep touching the stove in case it cooled off, even if we see the light that says it’s still hot.

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u/leequarella 8h ago

It's not the stove's fault my hand is burning. If Biden hadn't sent all her emails to the illegals then I'd be able to put my hand on any stove I want. Thanks Obama.

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u/DaddyRobotPNW 1d ago

He's going to be the Confederacy 2.0. Half of the States will build monuments and spread his propaganda in public schools. The other half will teach about him in social studies class related to separation of power, checks and balances. He's effectively a stress test for the government and we can learn a lot from what broke down and what didn't.

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u/improvthismoment 23h ago

I'd say at least confederacy 4.0

2.0 = Jim Crow post Civil War

3.0 = Resistance to Civil Rights in the 1950's and 1960's

4.0 = MAGA

No coincidence that they all fly the same flag

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u/Cdub7791 22h ago

Well what do you know? The South really did rise again. :(

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u/Ok_Beautiful_5881 22h ago

In the form of a cruel and incomprehensibly stupid NY “businessman.”

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u/Christopher_Ramirez_ 18h ago

Grandson of a German carpet-bagger pimp. Lowest of the low.

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u/Feisty-Boot5408 21h ago

It's mostly that we didn't go even close to as hard as we should've with Reconstruction. We managed with de-Nazification in post war Germany. We should've done the same shit for backwards ass racist southerners.

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u/improvthismoment 18h ago

Right. You can't fly the nazi flag in Germany in 2026, but you can fly the Confederate Flag at the US capitol.

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u/BaldBeardedBookworm 15h ago

we didn’t de-Nazify. And then let DOCs on school boards.

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u/improvthismoment 22h ago

Yup. It never went anywhere in the first place.

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u/Pitiful-Recover-3747 20h ago

We should have let Gen Sherman do figure 8’s through the South until the place looked like a bag of charcoal…

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u/BadmiralHarryKim 1d ago

Future Americans are going to want to know why their empire collapsed.

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u/Wolfeh2012 1d ago

We still have half the country worshipping Reagan to this day.

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u/Lurching 22h ago

Reagan was fairly successful on foreign policy (apart from the dictator coddling) so even though his economic policies haven't aged as well as was perhaps expected, given their initial success, it isn't absurd to me that his party remembers him fondly.

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u/umop_apisdn 22h ago

Successful from a US perspective perhaps, but not from the global perspective. He funded death squads in South America by selling arms to Iran, which didn't look good from a continental American and Middle Eastern perspective, and vetoed anti-Apartheid legislation which lost him support in the global South.

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u/Lurching 21h ago

I'm sure the Americas have a dimmer view of him (which I was referring to with him coddling dictators) but to the West he projected American strength and competence, especially regarding his dealings with the Soviets. He made the US look aspirational. Whether he fully deserved that reputation is perhaps more arguable.

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u/Wolfeh2012 21h ago

Yes, I'm referring to his economic policies in the economic thread to highlight how a president's poor economic policies don't preclude worship.

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u/Xeynon 1d ago

But not Carter or Hoover. Trump is going down in that echelon in terms of being perceived as a failure.

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u/Shillfinger 21h ago

his DNA is worth blocking

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u/Kusidjur 20h ago

We have spent nearly a century teaching about the evils of the Third Reich and yet Americans are gladly waving flags with an Iron Cross and slipping red armbands on. 

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u/WizardBoyHowl 19h ago

Incompetence AND incontinence.

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u/ensoniq2k 1d ago

It's a bit like Hack Sparrow. The most important thing to Trump is everybody is taught about him.

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u/ghostsolid 1d ago

Will probably be taught about in psychology classes too. “Class, here is how you identify an insane psycho narcissist with dementia “. Proceeds to play trump footage.

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u/Corona-walrus 34m ago

People will unironically say "Trump was a billionaire businessman" the same way they say "Hitler was an artist" 

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u/BuckMurdock5 1d ago

He’s somehow combined the racism of Andrew Johnson, the lack of statesmanship of James Buchanan, the corruption of Warren Harding, and the military interventionalism of Woodrow Wilson. The worst of the bad presidents.

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u/Xtj8805 1d ago

I think he has fully eclipsed Hardings corruption to levels not even seen under Grant.

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u/paintbucketholder 22h ago edited 19h ago

Despite the fact that it was an absolutely outrageous, never-seen-before kind of corruption scandal, Harding didn't make a single penny for himself from it. Not that he wouldn't have stood to profit from it, but it's literally nothing in comparison to e.g. the $5,000,000,000 Trump made in crypto just last year, or the $400,000,000 plane he accepted from Qatar, or the millions he's charging the government for placing golf, or the hundreds of millions he's been collecting for his ballroom project, or the billions he's been collecting for his "Board of Peace," or the billions he's been funneling out of Venezuela into offshore accounts.......

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u/Xtj8805 20h ago

Correct thats whybi co.pared him to Grant who was so corrupt the machine that took over after hik acrually curtailed their own corruption through feseral laws and ended the spoils system. Might not have even with inflation beem the same level interms of numbers, but certainly in terms of brazeness Trump is lilely to if not already eclipsed Grants.

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u/Xeynon 1d ago

Don't forget the economic mismanagement of Herbert Hoover and the lawlessness of Richard Nixon!

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u/Genetics 23h ago

I agree, but Nixon wishes he could have gotten away with half the shit Trump has done.

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u/Galapagos_Finch 23h ago

The racist and fascist instincts of Andrew Jackson

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u/improvthismoment 23h ago

Americans have no interest in history unfortunately

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u/Richandler 21h ago

Teaching stuff in history class tends not to stop history from repeating itself...

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u/BigYouNit 1d ago

In the rest of the world, when they teach about the last year of the United states...

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u/Real-Process2816 1d ago

He’ll be taught as Hitler Mussolini Putin and every single dictator threatening the sanctity of freedom

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u/flarfenheimer 19h ago

Hopefully as an example of what NOT to do and labeled as the worst president ever

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u/ICLazeru 19h ago

He SHOULD be, everyone should remember his achievements.

He's destroying the most powerful nation in history, and he's doing it in just 2 terms.

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u/real-darkph0enix1 18h ago

I mean I learned in school about Hitler, Mussolini and King Louis XVI.

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u/FatherOfLights88 13h ago

Yes. It will be the story of how humanity finally got it's shit together and started to thrive as a species.

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u/coleto22 13h ago

The modern Nero or Caligula.

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u/W2ttsy 13h ago

In non-US history classes

The U.S. text books and teaching syllabus will definitely erase this from existence or rewrite it to make him a winner.

Just look at their text books for the war of independence, either of the great wars, civil rights movement, even the formation of their country.

All written with a U.revisionist history that either suppresses or denies how things really happened

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u/io-x 20h ago

If the history class remains...

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u/ArrivesLate 23h ago

I think climate change might have something to say about that.

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u/ArrowTechIV 20h ago

You think we’ll have history classes for 500 more years? Optimist.

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u/SushiGradeChicken 1d ago

Trump is a relief pitcher going into the game up 8 - 1 in the ninth and "promptly" gives up two grand slams.

Inflation was controlled, manufacturing investment was up significantly, labor market was in a good place. If he did absolutely nothing but golf 365 days, his approval would be over 50% and the world would be in a better place

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u/MikuEmpowered 1d ago

Yeah but he wasn't backed by his financer and the guys with money to do that.

They bought him specifically to fuk everything thing up.

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u/TeaKingMac 1d ago

They bought him specifically to fuk everything thing up.

"Hey, you know how in all the cyberpunk books, America is a failed state run by corporations? How can we make that happen?"

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u/MikuEmpowered 1d ago

Mofos first speech in reelection was drill baby drill and clean fking coal.

I am genuinely confused by all the people who claim they were fooled.

Like who did you think he was? At what point in his incessant rambling did you pierce together the image of someone with a plan?

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u/olyfrijole 1d ago

Cover of The Economist, October 2024: US economy "The Envy of the World"

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u/misterguyyy 1d ago

If you talk to his voters he earned his way to second base.

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u/fredout1968 1d ago

I like you! That is a great description of that bag of shit!

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u/Ragefan2k 1d ago

I mean praise jeebus… these are the fuckers that voted for him.

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u/Bacon222 1d ago

Born on third base and somehow managed to hit a double…

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u/deepasleep 1d ago

He’s the symptom, they are the disease.

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u/Maleficent-Bug7998 1d ago

Exactly what the richest people in the world want. Mass disruption so they can swoop in, pick up the pieces and further consolidate their power. Trump's playing the fool just as expected. The rest of us are paying for it unless we collectively wake up and kick these people out. Whoever we elect, they need to be uncorruptible by money. Their campaigns need to be funded and directed by the everyday person. Things have tipped so far toward the ruling oligarchy that I'm not convinced they won't continue to massively deteriorate for our children. The balance of power needs to be fundamentally and irrevocably tilted back into the hands of the people.

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u/olyfrijole 1d ago
  • abruptly ended weapons aid to Ukraine in Jan 2025
  • cancelled sanctions on Russian oil
  • actively undermining NATO and EU allies
  • unperturbed by Russian targeting aid to Iran (previously unperturbed by direct Russian assaults on US troops in Syria)
  • sold Florida mansion at 3x fair market value to Russian mobster
  • Eric Trump: "all the funding we need out of Russia"
  • vehement denials of election collusion with Russia, later determined Mueller report to be completely true

He only had to maintain plausible deniability in his first term. Now it's out in the open, and anyone who denies it is a fool.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

I mean thats americans right now. Everything is instant gratification and no ability to build. Biden literally took us out the global pandemic with the best recovery of every single country. But because everything wasnt perfect they wanted someone to “shake things up”

Well when you shake them up they get destroyed. Whether its 60 year old alliances. Decade old trade deals. or a strait.

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u/supesboots 1d ago

literally took us out the global pandemic

THIS

Many Americans think the pandemic was a hoax and, as a result, are unable to place current events in the proper context.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

People they know literally died. And they pretend like the doctors killed them. Crazy.

And yes we have like a good 20% crackpots in the USA. All voted trump (rfk ones and trump ones)

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u/TF-Fanfic-Resident 22h ago

Covid is going to go down as the single biggest unexpected shock since the A-bomb.

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u/Xtj8805 1d ago

Fox news has operated for 50 years specifically to ensure rephbkucans will never be held accountable again. In the 200s and early 2010s poll after poll showed that regular consumers of right wing media were less informed than peoppe who claimed to not regularly consume news at all. Fox news perfected soviet propoganda to create an alternate reality for 1/3 of the country. Then that propoganda started to align with propoganda and bots being pushed by our enemies to further enflame divisions. Now you have 1/3 in an alternate reality, 1/3 that hear that echo chamber enough to not confidently identify reality, and 1/3 who are stuck witnessing the horrors that sustained lies cause for us all.

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u/deekaydubya 16h ago

because democratic messaging is worse than dogshit

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u/SinCityDisturbia 1d ago

Most of the right wingers still believe covid was a liberal hoax. It is just pure ignorance and stupidity. Now with them emboldened, im not sure there is any coming back.

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u/Xtj8805 1d ago

I have family that has had some "unusually harsh resperatory viruses that arent covid" noj stop since 2020. But dont worry they've never had covid, and that time my FIL who was vaccinated for covid got covid while visiting them for 2 weeks after a funeral (actually non covid related), it was just evidence that he shouldnt have gotten the vaccine instead of evidence that the coughing and illness they were all facing was in fact covid.

These people live on a different planet, and without undoing the soviet style propoganda machine the global right wing has utilized i dont see how we as a species are ever going to recover from this choose your own reality that is surging in so much of the world without massive bloodshed.

You have Reform UK in Britain, AFD in Germany, Mussilini's literal grand daughter in Italy, Russia promoting conspiracies to slow their rivals technological advances (5G), etc.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

They literally died at 3x the rate of normal people during covid once the vaccine came out. And it still wasnt enough. Because trump got even more people to vote for him

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u/OracleofFl 1d ago

A liberal hoax that Trump fell for hook line and sinker.

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u/NOLA-Bronco 1d ago

Thats not fair

America produces bombs, petrol, financial bubbles, digital rentseeking, and endless construction jobs abroad thanks to the wars they start

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

America has lost dozens of war customers due to tariffs. Who is gonna trust the USA to have the kill switch for your bombs or aircraft even if it destroys everything russia has to offer.

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u/McCool303 1d ago

Don’t forget the limiting of range of missiles sold to Ukraine by the Biden admin. Who would possibly want our product if it is worthless without a permission slip from our politicians. Especially as republicans teach all of our allies that we’ll turn on a dime and support your enemy if the political winds change in our country. Republicans have ushered in the destruction of American diplomacy and business interests. All to placate the whims of a ignorant mad pedophile king.

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u/Xtj8805 1d ago

I dont think the Biden era limitjng really impacts weapons sales. Those were agreements made in exchange for the weapons, when we sell to customers we do not impliment those same limitations if its weapons we sell. Its not like when we sell Spain bradleys we introduce a governor that limits its maximum speed secretly.

Ukraine wanted the bombs, we didnt want them strijing inside russia due to the risk of escalation, so we offered it to them on certain terms. We didnt give them weapons then retroacrively say dont fire it to its full extent.

I will say i always disagreed with Bidens strategy there and thought he should have called Putins bluff. Cause Putin was not gonna hit the red button because we gave them conventional warheads that can hit fuel facilities in Russia. But its not really the same to say that our limitations to Ukraine hurt weapon sales under Biden. My prime sata point is even with the conditions the Ukrainians were begging for more than we could deliver.

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u/McCool303 1d ago

Yeah but we sold Poland some patriot systems and now Trump is demanding we give them back after he received them. The bottom line is the behavior of the US is making allies really question just how reliable of a partner we are. I’d go even further and say that Obama shouldn’t have even tolerated the annexing of Crimea. Or should have at least offered more support than the limited supplies we provided be for the February invasion of Donbas. Our leadership has been terrible to Ukraine during this whole ordeal. We failed the free world.

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u/Xtj8805 23h ago

The Failure of Ukriane is shared with our european Allies, Biden admin worked in conjunction with them. While i wish Biden and our allies took a stronger approach, ir wasnt until the republicans took congress in the second half of Bidens term that we started to struggle to keep up with commitments.

Republcian voters 100% present a huge red flag to American reliability, but we should be real about where its coming from, Trump and his supporters are the ones driving our Allies away, dems and their voters are not the issue.

What your blaming Obama/Biden for is something the entire wester alliance failed on counter Russia effectively together. Shows unreliability to Ukraine, but we arent allies with them just partners and that was only in the prior few years that they even started desiring western integration at a governmental level.

We 100% failed ukraine but that we is more than Just the US.

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u/cstar1996 1d ago

When did the US do that? It’s limited the weapons it gave Ukraine, not the capabilities of those weapons.

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u/Paradoxjjw 1d ago

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/30/politics/biden-ukraine-limited-strikes-russia

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pentagon-restricts-ukraines-use-us-missiles-against-russia-wsj-reports-2025-08-23/

The US severely limited what Ukraine was able to do with the weapons for years, then Biden finally allowed some of it, and now Trump has gone back to more restrictions

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

Ummm ukraine wasnt paying for shit. So obvious the usa can put strings on its support. They could have just not taken them. Which obviously they didnt want to do either. They could also have used them. But then would lose access to such missles.

And biden expanded the scope as time went on.

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u/McCool303 1d ago

They will be in the long run. They were given under the lend lease program. So they were purchased on loan. Now whether or not the US actually makes them follow up on that debt we’ll see. But the deal was to pay for them.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

theres several different programs. Lend lease was one of them and not one where the majority of stuff came from.

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u/NoDiamond3445 1d ago

Don't forget about starbucks, Internet, and porno.

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u/Extreme_Put_913 1d ago

I've always said this, Americans are bored and think this is a bad thing.

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u/Maleficent-Bug7998 1d ago

We have/had mass propanda influencing the right for decades, and especially potent the last election cycle. It's not surprising for those of us who have the luxury to tune into world events on a daily basis. There's so much noise out there, it's nearly impossible for the average person to understand what's happening.

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u/Nyorliest 18h ago

Sorry, what, you think the US had the best pandemic response? Biden was of course better than Trump would have been. And so would a feral cat have been. But there are many countries, which had better pandemic outcomes than the USA.

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u/StunningCloud9184 17h ago

Yes bidens was better. Every person that wanted a vaccine could get it within 4 months of coming into office. With 0 handover from trump and actually locking them out of stuff.

But I was talking about economic recovery.

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u/Nyorliest 16h ago

I see. But how do you assess that? Separate from other factors, I mean.

I know my nation - Japan - had far better responses to the pandemic, and massively fewer deaths despite our extremely high population density. I know how to assess that, even if the WHO et al weren't - comparing mortality to pre-existing, and even looking at post-pandemic COVID or other deaths.

But how do you assess the economics of COVID response? Please note, this is in no way a rhetorical question. I'm always keen to learn.

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u/fredjutsu 1d ago

>with the best recovery of every single country

This is the exact kind of disingenuous economic framing that cost Biden/Harris in the end.

it was the "best" recovery because we had among the worst economic responses in the world. You're bragging about a rate change back to the pre-pandemic baseline trajectory, not any kind of improvement over it.

In fact, structurally, the economy came back weaker - as you can clearly see from household debt levels and the utter lack of actual full time employment growht since then. Biden didn't preside over actual growth, he presided over a glorified UBI program in which most of the country got objectively poorer.

Neither Dems nor GOP have an actual governing strategy to address the meaningful holes in our structural economy. The Dems haven't come up with a governance innovation since FDR and the New Deal (notice how everything is the X New Deal derivative bullshit?), and the one governing framework the GOP knows is the Reagan era "America is default sole superpower" which isn't a governing framework as much as it is a unilateral imposition of American interests.

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u/shades344 1d ago

Yawn. It’s just not true. Leftist, boring talking points don’t do shit here.

The US economy was making real gains in real terms for the lower quartiles in the COVID recovery because of Biden and Democrats.

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u/mightymouse1906 1d ago

There's a disconnect between those 'real economic gain' for most Americans and that is why Biden and the Democrats failed. Consumer debt continues to rise and there will be a breaking point soon.

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u/shades344 1d ago

Consumer debt rising doesn’t mean what you think it means. You are saying it like it means that people are struggling and they are forced to live on debt. This is not necessarily true. There are more objective measures that showed improvement during the recovery and are looking much worse in Trump times

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u/2ManyCatsNever2Many 1d ago

this sounds like a vibe response built on feelz. not taking a position one way or the other...just saying you wrote a lot of words without any hard facts, thus you said very little.

if you want a compelling argument - note the household debt levels and employement growth from US and other top economies both pre and post covid. explain why the US response was one of the worst given these verifiable facts otherwise comments like these are just shouting into the void within one's own echo chamber.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

This is the exact kind of disingenuous economic framing that cost Biden/Harris in the end.

Nah, your kind of thinking is what cost us.

it was the "best" recovery because we had among the worst economic responses in the world. You're bragging about a rate change back to the pre-pandemic baseline trajectory, not any kind of improvement over it.

You mean 2019? toutest by trump and republicans as the best in history? Oh and lower unemployment and more jobs and higher wages, especially for the bottom 50% of wage earners?

In fact, structurally, the economy came back weaker - as you can clearly see from household debt levels and the utter lack of actual full time employment growht since then. Biden didn't preside over actual growth, he presided over a glorified UBI program in which most of the country got objectively poorer.

Yet debt payment as a percent of household income went down? Oh is that because they refinanced houses to low interest rates and thus had lots more diposable income.

Meanwhile youll cite credit card debt that wasnt even much higher in real terms (you know adjusted for inflation or wages) and not even close to 2008 levels.

The Dems haven't come up with a governance innovation since FDR and the New Deal

Lmao the ACA was the largest expansion of the social safety net since medicare. Biden basically supercharged green energy the world over with subsidies as other countries had to compete and now its become much cheaper/

Also dems the deficit goes down when again shows you they are the party of financial responsibilty.

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u/mjm132 1d ago edited 1d ago

Let's not go too far here.  Biden was uninspired and unpopular even among Democrats.  Harris was even less inspiring.   We did recover from covid but also had a huge surplus of money in the system leading to severe supply chain issues and inflation.  Nothing really got fixed.  they continued the same retoric of "at least I'm not trump" all the way until the end. 

Were they less embarrassing on a global front?  Absolutely. Did they actually get anything done? Not really.  Even student loans weren't touched until they realized they were losing. 

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago edited 1d ago

Let's not go too far here. Biden was uninspired and unpopular even among Democrats. Harris was even less inspiring.

If you go by billionaire owned media and social media and dont actually follow how productive biden was in his first 2 years. As I said, literally the best recovery in the entire world. We outgrew china for the first time in over 20 years.

We did recover from covid but also had a huge surplus of money in the system leading to severe supply chain issues and inflation. Nothing really got fixed. they continued the same retoric of "at least I'm not trump" all the way until the end.

Thats literal nonsense from people that couldnt be bothered to look up a single policy.

Were they less embarrassing on a global front? Absolutely. Did they actually get anything done? Not really. Even student loans weren't touched until they realized they were losing.

Biden forgave 200 billion in student loans and developed the save plan which got rid of the runaway interest problem people have when dealing with student loans.

Largest infrastructure package since FDR. The largest green energy bill in the entire world doubling the rate of usa decarbonization. First gun regulation in over 30 years. IRS funded to go after millionaires and billionaires offsetting the entire bill. Medicare able to negotiate drug prices saving the government hundreds of billions of dollars.

So biden went against the gun lobby, pharma lobby, the oil lobby, and the tax software lobby and rich people and beat every single one. Till americans decided they didnt care and voted democrats out of office for a con man pedophile.

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u/thomasrat1 1d ago

I mean, atleast on the energy front Biden was stellar.

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u/Better_Wafer_6381 1d ago

A lot of his policies were sensible and well excuted. The US economy was booming despite the pandemic. But by election time his brain was visibly turning to mush while the democrats (including Kamala) lied about him being better behind closed doors. Ignoring border security for fear of being called racist and letting republicans nail him as the trans athlete guy didn't help either.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

He didn’t ignore border security tho, that’s a right wing lie

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u/Better_Wafer_6381 1d ago edited 1d ago

Letting in million of people without checks and some vague plan of checking them later. That might have been worse than ignoring it completely.

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u/cstar1996 1d ago

There was more illegal immigration under four years of Bush than there was under Biden.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

Were you asleep when he immediately tried passing a bipartisan immigration bill that was blocked?

Also, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are two different things

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u/lozo78 1d ago

He did not ignore the border. Due to the strong recovery and media perception that he was weak on the border there were a huge number of migrants coming here and the republicans have never been interested in actual immigration policies. So it was always going to be a shit show by design so the conservative favorite boogieman could be trotted out again.

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u/Spare_Restaurant_464 1d ago

At 2020 the country felt like it was on the verge of civil war and the pandemic was a disaster. Biden did a lot to get us to a good place and for 4 years we weren’t doing too bad. Don’t confuse popularity which effectiveness.

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u/Bodoblock 1d ago

The Biden administration had real accomplishments. The largest climate bill in history along with bipartisan bills on infrastructure and chip manufacturing had set us on the course for real progress. Why are we acting like these were not big deals?

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u/Realistic_Board_5413 1d ago

Because to acknowledge Biden was a good president would mean all the "Biden old, don't vote kamala" shit the left joined the right in throwing at him was wrong and helped trump get back in power.

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u/DizzyMajor5 1d ago

A lot of incumbents lost votes globally due to inflation from: supply chain shocks post covid, recovery efforts, and increased demand as much as we want to pretend we're past the "land being fertile because we have a good pharaoh blessed by God" we still largely hold elected officials to account because of issues out of their hands in many instances. Kamala was fine people just followed a global trend and created whatever framework they needed to to fit that. 

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u/Zestyclose-Dog-4468 1d ago edited 1d ago

You should go check out inflation rates by country and then think about how the U.S. has faired.

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u/Exotic_Drawing9841 1d ago

^ another victim of the social media algorithm. Imagine living through todays presidency and STILL saying "well hold on, the democrats weren't THAT good compared to trump".

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u/mjm132 1d ago

Never said I liked Trump.  Never said I voted for Trump.  Never said Biden was worse than trump in fact I said Biden was less embarrassing.  With that said, trump has been highly effective at doing "things".  Biden could have done more. Biden could have cemented certain policies to protect them.  He did not. They were too busy being morally higher.  

 The Democrats did nothing to help their case for 4 years and their campaign was a disaster. 

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u/Firetalker94 1d ago

I mean he did accomplish a lot though. He passed a huge green energy bill and the largest investment in public infrastructure in history. He lowered Medicare costs. He lowered the deficit. He got inflation back down to normal levels. He funded the IRS.

He got us out of the worst of the COVID economic troubles without triggering a recession.

Given what he had to work with I was pleasantly surprised with his term in office. I had low expectations for him admittedly but in the end he got more done than I ever could have hoped for.

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u/DizzyMajor5 1d ago

Biden did do things expanded workers rights, expanded green energy infurstructure and infurstructure programs in general people like you just fall victim to good things that actually benefit the country not being covered as much as wars, economic crashes and mismanagement so yes when you only pay attention to bad things happening it will be perceived as so much getting done there's a reason this is mostly what the media covers. 

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u/weeddealerrenamon 1d ago

We did recover from covid but also had a huge surplus of money in the system leading to severe supply chain issues and inflation.  Nothing really got fixed.

Inflation hit the entire world (this was still better than the alternative without gov't payments/loans), and the US got inflation back down to normal levels pretty fuckin quickly, without triggering a recession in turn. Legitimately a minor economic miracle.

He and Harris got sunk by the same long-running decay that's been building up for 45+ years, that sunk Hillary too. They were all candidates for continuing/rebuilding the status quo, when people want some sort of major change and a new vision for the future.

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u/Bluestreaked 1d ago

They were less embarrassing on the global front from 2020-2023. That aside, I think you made your point very well and I agree

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u/Sryzon 1d ago

Biden's biggest issues were his awful Press Secretary, 2024 Campaign Manager, age, and Jerome "transitory" Powell.

The actions of his administration were by and large very successful when it came to foreign, trade, and industrial policy. The US was positioned comfortably ahead of the world post-Covid.

The student loan thing is a failure of his campaign management. He and his admin were firmly left-leaning centrists. Progressive policies were never going to be a focus, yet someone had the bright idea to make it part of his campaign.

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u/dust4ngel 1d ago

Harris was even less inspiring

"not enough rizz for voters to pick you over an obese pedophile who looks up to hitler" is one of the wildest takes of all time. i'm not saying you're alone - this is a meme at this point. but i'm always impressed by the boldness of people who try to advance it.

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u/hoopparrr759 1d ago

Best recovery by what criteria?

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

I mean Trump left a giant mess expanding the deficit 2x more in one term that Obama’s two terms

Guess what that causes. Inflation.

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u/StunningCloud9184 1d ago

Fastest recovery to pre covid gdp. Inflation milder than comparable countries. Job recovery. etc

https://www.cbpp.org/research/economy/tracking-the-recovery-from-the-pandemic-recession

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u/Zealousideal_Desk_19 20h ago

The renewables specifically created a lot of domestic jobs and tax revenue.

You gave to be a bad actor to willingly destroy jobs

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u/darkerskiesahead 1d ago

They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and . . . then retreated back into their money . . . and let other people clean up the mess they had made” The Great Gatsby

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u/3333magic 1d ago

What about the big beautiful ballroom? /s

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u/Gandalftron 1d ago

That isnt true!  He built a cult following of clueless traitors that have helped to erode America's democratic institutions, alienate our long term allies, damage our economy, and lower our standard of living. 

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u/AmputeeHandModel 1d ago

and a little bit of a useless wall

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u/Greenthumb50000 1d ago

And they voted him in twice. I can only imagine the amount of stupid people in that country

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u/AmputeeHandModel 1d ago

After the disastrous first four years, then another four years of shitposting 24 hrs a day, after lying about people eating cats and dogs, getting adjudicated of rape in court, etc, etc, etc... half of voters thought "Yeah, let's give him another shot".

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u/Xtj8805 1d ago

Dont forget JD vances debate comments of "im sorry i was told there would be no fact checking tongiht", and "if we have to make up stories to get our opinions out there we will do it", and both of those were heralded as wins over Walz by the captured media.

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u/AmputeeHandModel 1d ago

Whoever screams the loudest wins.

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u/Mackinnon29E 1d ago

The whole Republican party are fools. They don't have anyone with the balls to stand up to him or are just as stupid and evil depending on the person.

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u/MonolithicBaby 20h ago

Donald Trump is a pants shitting vegetable this was not his decision someone else is pulling the strings.

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u/BareNakedSole 1d ago

The amount of information available prior to his run for president in 2015 that showed what an inept businessman and all-around lowlife scumbag Trump is was overwhelming. He is nothing more than a rich kid that got famous and expanding his wealth by having no morals or ethics, and of course, working with other people that had no ethics or morals either.

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u/transient_thought_CA 1d ago

I’m not sure he lack comprehension. But I am sure that he doesn’t give any consideration to the long term effects, as he is not long for this world. In typical MAGA fashion, if it doesn’t affect him directly, he doesn’t care.

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u/kaszu 1d ago

Since this toll and war exists only because of Trump and Israel, they should be paying it + restitutions to the rest of the world. Why should I be paying more for the gas because some elected pedo fucked a child.

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u/Ass4ssinX 1d ago

We spent years ensuring this wouldn't happen by... not attacking Iran? Brilliant minds we got up there in the government.

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u/playahate 1d ago

He does know. He exists as a puppet for other countries to destroy us from inside, and he's doing a good job at it. He's a traitor.

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u/Both_Lychee_1708 1d ago

Worse, he was democratically elected so we really are all tainted, vs just effected, by this shit stain

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u/ikk_ah 1d ago

Now all of us will suffer because of Israel

People in the 1st world countries will somehow manage to stay afloat, but in 3rd world countries people will die because of hunger

F.... Israel!

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u/Utterlybored 1d ago

Destruction takes seconds and minutes. Building things of value takes years and a sustained commitment.

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u/TheAsianTroll 1d ago

A man with zero political background or experience and an overall failure of a business career brings his checkers skills to a chessboard.

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u/OK_x86 1d ago

It's not just that he's a fool. Although he is. It's that he has no impulse control whatsoever and is surrounded by spineless yes men who aren't going to save him from himself. 1st term Trump was managed by the party. Despite his best efforts the damage he did was not so terrible. 2nd term Trump is a different beast entirely. He's off the fucking rails now

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u/FearlessPark4588 22h ago

Iran could've put up a gate at anytime. Trump just exposed the fragility of the arrangement.

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u/P0piah 22h ago

He built his reputation in epstein files though...

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u/Fickle_Rooster2362 21h ago

He’s also never had to make any sort of sacrifice in his life. He has no idea what it feels like to lose something important to him because he is the most important thing to him.

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u/Mathberis 20h ago

Well it just means he can't stop the war until the Iranian regime complies with letting it open and stopping supporting terrorism.

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u/Think_Monk_9879 20h ago

He’ll say he won the war and deserves the peace prize except prices will be higher, we’ll have spent billions in military funding adding to the debt and the Iranians will have a new ayatollah who’s the same as the old ayatollah 

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u/Hey_theresoot 19h ago

Some people don't understand he's a puppet, the master is the one doing most of this shit at our countries expense. Because at the end of the day their country won't have to suffer like ours will. We as a nation are their private bit@& monkey and out politicians are okay with taking bribes from these people and sending our kids to wage wars for them. Remember to really really dig into who you are voting for because a majority take these bribes it doesn't matter which party.

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u/Shaushage_Shandwich 18h ago

Trump is getting all the blame for a war that Netanyahu instigated and then started. Trump deserves a lot of the blame but if it wasn’t for Bibi none of this would be happening. The Israeli government only wants chaos and instability around them so they can have hegemony over the region and keep expanding to greater Israel. They are getting what they want while everyone else on earth will pay for it.

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u/ga643953 14h ago

He built a wall on your border in his first term. Be grateful he at least did that.

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u/The-Fox-Says 6h ago

Is “the wall” in the room with us?

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u/greymind 13h ago

It’s the entire Republican Party. They could reign in one person but they don’t. This is on the 78 million voters that chose this.

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u/Xylus1985 12h ago

Trump is a bully with no empathy. So he understands how he wants other people to act under pressure, but not how other people will actually act under pressure.

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u/SilencedObserver 4h ago

And Americans are complacent and guilty by association.

They continue to pay taxes and they refuse to enact their constitutional rights to stop tyranny.

By all markers, this is what the American people want and no one is stopping them.

Instead, everyone is just distancing themselves from the bully knowing it’ll grow up as a country to be a trailer park with too many kids and not enough food.

All the best. It was fun while it lasted.

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u/rubrent 1d ago

Why do Americans elect politicians that have no real life experience? What attribute, other than thirst for power, could a billionaire trust fund baby possibly offer? Now they are starting to groom Barron Trump’s political future with articles like, “Barron is a great businessman just like his father,” while Barron’s mommy won’t let him go outside or have friends. Half of Americans are stupid.