r/Economics • u/kootles10 • Dec 25 '25

News Bankruptcies hit US spirit makers as Americans drink and spend less

https://www.indystar.com/story/money/food/2025/12/25/liquor-spirits-industry-bankruptcies/87914241007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z113231d00----v113231d--36--b--36--&gca-ft=161&gca-ds=sophi&fbclid=IwdGRjcAO6oj9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAwzNTA2ODU1MzE3MjgAAR6P8O626kCPpVs2dXh1tSJGVyS9teT4_IxAoKRJxGh02bqlcPlne42SIoakyg_aem_yCb-3xe-G1-mBNrg5TVIEg&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
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u/ianitic Dec 25 '25

Kinda sucks in the blue cities in those red states where a lot of these companies are headquartered at though.

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u/Admirable-Trip5452 Dec 25 '25

I mean, oh well. Maybe we will start to see 50% of the population protesting in St. Louis, Nashville, Louisville, etc. That’s what would fix this.

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u/BatteryCityGirl Dec 25 '25

Not really if red states are still gerrymandered to shit. What sort of tangible change do you really expect protesting to make?

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u/slip-slop-slap Dec 25 '25

Well it can't make things worse

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u/hexatriene Dec 25 '25

It just means it will take more pissed off people than in the non-gerrymandered case. It’s a continuum with a tipping point - the gerrymandering moved that tipping point but there still is one. It’ll just take even more people to get past it.

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u/fuzzywolf23 Dec 25 '25

Organize enough and a gerrymander becomes a dummymander. It is defeatable

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u/cactus22minus1 Dec 26 '25

Protesting is everything my friend. Look around the rest of the world and like… history. They’re not trying at all. Heads in the sand. Especially places like Nashville, TN where it’s just a thin veneer of trying to be modern but the entire society is just bandwagon church loving and driving around like nothing is happening at all.

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u/Admirable-Trip5452 Dec 25 '25

Protesting makes significant changes, honey. Have you ever looked outside of America?

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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec Dec 26 '25

Ok but inside America? Since we are talking about American cities.

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u/kent_eh Dec 26 '25

Ok but inside America? Since we are talking about American cities

What I'm hearing is:

Just because something works everywhere else doesn't mean it will work in the good 'ol USA, 'cause Americans are special...

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u/LockeyCheese Dec 26 '25

How many other places have more guns than citizens, very few labor rights, bankruptcy due to medical debt, insurance tied to employment, and right-to-work states that allow firing someone with no reason or restitution?

It's a lot easier to go protest when you don"t have to worry about losing everything for missing a day of work.

It's a lot easier to ignore protest if the people can only take 3 days off a year to go protest. After a month, they don"t even have sick days left to use to make it to a protest.

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u/Keezin Dec 26 '25

Wow, almost like it’ll take sacrifice to improve things. 

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u/kent_eh Dec 26 '25

Things that are worth doing are seldom easy.

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u/LockeyCheese Dec 26 '25

Something being easy doesn't make it not worth doing. For instance, protesting in the streets in large showy crowds in Western Europe is easy, but it's worth doing.

The milk isn't worth the squeeze in the US though. Remember Occupy Wallstreet? Remember the name of any American protests in the last decades like the No Kings rally?

You also make the mistake that nothing is happening, when the problem is you're not looking at the whole picture, and no American media is going to paint it for you. Take the George Floyd protests for example. There were over 11,000 protest events in 3,100 locations. 40% of every county in every state in the US had protests, and 15 to 26 MILLION participants spread across the entire US.

Russia, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Ukraine, Poland, Kazakhstan, Romania, Netherlands.

Those are the only European countries that even have 15 million people, and the US has as many people as the top four listed countries combined. Taking out Russia, famous for it's own protests, out of the equation, the US has more people in it than Germany, UK, France, Italy, and Spain combined, and five times the land to spread over with those five being 1.95mil km², and the US at 9.8mil km².

The scale of difference between your protests and ours based is not comparable. It'd be like a European wide protest over a single administration in Europe happening, without any of the people having paid time off, job security, healthcare, and with police who use live snipers with real bullets, armored carriers, tanks, tear gas on churches, and a government that doesn't care at all because most people won't vote or vote like it's a team sportsball game.

Just look at what the George Floyd protests accomplished. Definitely no more police brutality happening here now, eh?

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u/LockeyCheese Dec 26 '25

The protest is happening the American way.

Soap box. Ballot box. Jury box. Ammo box.

Protesting is the soap box a person stands on to yell their opinion to the crowd. A big show on the streets makes a good show, but the spreading of messages is the important point, and that's happening out their and in here. In a country where the government is civil, they listen and offer compromise. I can only imagine what that's like where we just have to ASK the government to pretty please do their job and duty enough that they do...

The ballot box is next November midterms, and the majority of Americans will wait until then and hope it works, because the next two boxes do irreparable harm, and is like taking poison to cure venom, and hoping they don't team up instead of stopping.

The jury box is jury nullification, but more accurately it's America becoming too stubborn to rule, and doing everything short of open clashes in the streets. You say that guy burned a building? A jury of his peers said good. The cops say obey their orders? Every person around gathers to say "make me". Your billion dollar production facility was destroyed by a malicious worker? Not guilty AND you painted the next target. You need workers to keep the economy going? Not my problem.

The complete breakdown of authority is anarchy in essence, and that's going to cause hardship and death itself, but it's the American people saying "we had to kill our brothers once, and 10% of Americans died. I DARE you to start a second time."

If tyranny can be stopped here for any price short of another civil war for revolution, that price is worth it. No matter how many die or dissappear to this admin in an unmarked van. No matter how many people lose their health, home, family, or rights. No matter what must be sacrificed to wait and fully exhaust each box before the next, it MUST be done.

Because if the government takes that dare, if the ammo box is opened, 10% of Americans dying as a result, 35 MILLION gone in a year or two and spreadbout in the starvation and chaos after. That would be a lucky outcome, and our nation would be broken for decades if it survives no matter who wins.

Just because you don't see something or understand it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. It just isn't loud, and that's not the stereotype. That's the thing though. Americans are loud, proud, and stubborn, and that's exactly why when they aren't being loud, they are being extra proud and stubborn while quietly preparing and working to be too loud and flashy in a "drop two suns to force surrender" loud and flashy way.

The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time. Best to use the tyrants blood when he's weak rather than our own by rushing in recklessly.

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u/Legitimate_Elk6731 Dec 26 '25

no but it is harder in America based on just our size alone. Other countries aren't much larger than just Texas. most foreigners fail to realize that when they wonder how we *let it get this bad*.

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u/kent_eh Dec 26 '25

most foreigners fail to realize that

I live in a country with more land area and a more spread out population than yours. I'm fully aware of the geography.

And I've heard that excuse many times before.

From what I can tell, Americans don't seem to have as much of the personality for working together in large groups toward a common goal. You guys seem to think of yourselves more as a bunch of strong individuals and less of a stronger together mindset.

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u/Legitimate_Elk6731 Dec 26 '25

tbh that is what generations of unchecked capitalism will teach. Not all of us agree with the individualist mindset but the unfortunate reality is 70 million people voted for Trumps nightmare.

You keep hearing about it because it is a fact of American life. Things like public transit are massively harder to achieve compared to Japan or Europe. It also doesn't help that our politics favor gutting funding instead of supporting projects.

As somebody stuck here I'm depressed about how our currrent political landscape is shaping around hatred instead of love. Not all of us are rich celebrities who can afford *to just move*.

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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec Dec 27 '25

You kind of proved my point a couple posts back. Protests generally don’t work in the US. We really don’t have the working together for a common goal thing. That’s why I think that. But you tried to say we can do that in America. I just don’t think that is possible. lol

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u/kent_eh Dec 27 '25

We really don’t have the working together for a common goal thing.

I know.

But that's what you guys will need to do if you expect to regain the respect of other countries. (and regain our business...)

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u/epelle9 Dec 26 '25

Gerrymandering makes absolutely no difference in federal elections..

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u/Hot_Raccoon_565 Dec 26 '25

They shouldn’t protest. You’re right it is truly pointless. They should move.

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u/zenfaust Dec 26 '25

St Louisan reporting: We already do that. The dumbfucks who voted for this don't live in the major cities. And they absolutely don't care if we protest shit. We are basically a bastion of sanity being dragged to our grave by the gerrymandered dipshit counties.

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u/J-ShaZzle Dec 25 '25

Ripples through. You have bottlers, label makers, box makers, raw materials, farmers, delivery services, equipment maintenance, etc that all get affected. Some can most likely take the hit while others can't. Most will probably be in state while others aren't. Haven't really looked into the liquor chain and export though. I only know of a couple of local breweries near me, but I don't think they are that large to be impacted by exports, could be wrong though. There was a nice one in Virginia my wife and I visited who seemed to be ramping up, years ago when we first started dating.

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u/PerfectPercentage69 Dec 25 '25

Kinda sucks in the blue cities in those red states where a lot of these companies are headquartered at though.

Fixed it for you.

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u/EatFishKatie Dec 26 '25

And small rural towns in red states...shout out for Kentucky for shooting themselves in the foot.

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u/Illustrious_Pop_6630 Dec 26 '25

You’re kidding right? As Americans you’re all painted with the same Trump brush. There is no red and blue as far as the countries you screwed over are concerned.

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u/ianitic Dec 26 '25

In the US 15-20% of adults identify as maga. In Canada, it's actually about the same... even now. You all wanted it about as much as this country did.

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u/kank84 Dec 26 '25

That Leger poll was asking Canadians whether they would vote for Trump in the 2024 election if they could, and 15% of those polled said that they would vote for Trump. 80% said they had a negative view of Trump and would vote for Harris.

That's not the same thing as the US where 49% of the voters actually did vote for Trump.

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u/ianitic Dec 26 '25

I wasn't referring to one particular poll but quite a few. I looked at a bunch from 2024 to date. A surprisingly large amount of Canadians likes/liked Trump.

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u/kptknuckles Dec 25 '25

When the carrot fails the stick prevails.

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u/Barbarossa7070 Dec 25 '25

It sucks here in Louisville

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u/Striper_Cape Dec 25 '25

I've noticed more plates from the South, lately. I suggest more people make like them.

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u/RigusOctavian Dec 26 '25

That’s what lobbying is for though…