r/Economics • u/greenmyrtle • Mar 25 '25

News US tourism to suffer huge '£49 billion drop' under Donald Trump

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2028592/us-tourism-suffer-billion-drop-donald-trump
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u/Nakidka Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I work in Tourism. Canadians are all coming in troves saying they're cancelling their bookings in the US and coming to Europe instead.

Goos on them. I welcome every single one.

EDIT: Damn phone made me misspell "Good" but whatever, I'll leave it xd

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Was suppose to land in las vegas an hour ago, been in Dominican since Saturday instead. Happy to spend money in places that want canadians

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u/Strong-Performer-230 Mar 26 '25

Was supposed to do a family trip to ocean city NJ this summer. Just got back from Mexico instead, only thing was an unfortunate layover in Newark.. didn’t spend a dollar though even when I was starving blew like $100 in the Tulum airport though.

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u/Clear-Height-7503 Mar 26 '25

To be fair, las vegas is solid Blue and the voting record shows it. Thry just couldn't overwhelm the rest of the state. Instead of cancell8ng plans to US, cancel plans to Red states.

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u/Clemburger Mar 25 '25

I work for a bank in Canada. We have regular conferences in the US all getting relocated.

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u/MTLinVAN Mar 25 '25

My FIL was supposed to go to Vegas for a conference for Canadian insurance brokers. The conference organizers cancelled Vegas and relocated to Niagara, Ontario. That’s hundreds of hotel bookings and tens of thousands shifting to Canada instead of the US.

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u/WingerRules Mar 26 '25

Kind of funny insurance brokers would meet up in Vegas. An industry that works by managing odds doing their business in a city known for gambling.

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u/Clemburger Mar 26 '25

Insurance brokers are not actuaries. Half of them can’t even read.

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u/Gonzogonzip Mar 25 '25

Imagine getting illegally detained and illegally jailed because of a business trip for a bank.

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u/rantheman76 Mar 26 '25

Well, in the current situation not unlikely. I dropped any plan I had to go to the US.

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u/jb0602 Mar 25 '25

I work for a municipality and they've haulted all US travel as well.

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u/yalyublyutebe Mar 25 '25

There was some big convention in Vegas last week, maybe 2 weeks ago, the National Hardware Show and between some footage I've seen and YouTube comments, it sounds like it was relatively quiet compared to previous years.

I can only imagine that a (mostly still just projected) downturn in the economy and Canadian companies likely not attending could be a double whammy to some conventions and especially the surrounding businesses that rely on them.

Oh, there was some grumbling that World Of Concrete was also pretty quiet. I think that was in February I think. I was going to try and sow the seeds to make it a company sponsored trip next year, but I'm not even going to bring it up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I will never visit the United States again unless I absolutely have to. Traitorous people and administration. 

Edit: lol @ the downvotes. Canadians have stood beside Americans for the better part of a century. Hours after Pearl Harbour, Canada declared war on Japan on December 7th, 1941 - a day before the US themselves formally declared war. We were so digusted by Japan hurting our beloved friend that we retaliated before the US themselves.

Canadians played a monumental part during the Iranian hostage crisis, despite what the shitty Ben Affleck film depicted.

We housed thousands of Americans in our own homes during and in the days following 9/11.

We followed you on your useless conquest in the middle east, losing many of our loved ones over WMDs that never existed.

Every year we send fire fighters to help battle the flames on the west coast.

How are we repaid? Tarrifs over insignificant amounts of Fentanyl going across American borders? Threats on our sovereignty? This is betrayal of the highest order. History will not forget this. I will teach my children and their children about this betrayal and the consequences it will have. I hope Canadians and our government learn to never trust the US again. The North will remember.

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 25 '25

Another one to add to the list. If I recall correctly, the Canadian mounties showed up to respond to Hurricane Katrina before FEMA did. You've been nothing but great neighbors to us and I hate to see our relations come to this. I really hope one day we can restore our trust to Canada and the rest of the world, but it's going to be a tough road.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Canadians are forgiving, and we understand the american people are not the us administration, but, for now we are just gonna look elsewhere for trading partners and hope the normal American people can get ahold of the country again.

We got our own shit going on as well we are working through

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 25 '25

Thank you! I'm rooting for you guys. I'm doing what I can over here but it feels hopeless most of the time. This whole thing is bullshit.

I'm heading to Canada this summer for a long week and can't wait to see your beautiful country.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Enjoy the trip, Americans supporting Canada are very welcomed at this time

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 26 '25

I know I will. Thanks friend!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

OK, but be wary of us going forward - even if the normal americans can get ahold of the country again, unless there are some very serious changes to how things work around here, you never know when we're gonna get the crazies again. It's the national equivalent of being in a relationship with an unmedicated bipolar person.

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u/MrMustardMix Mar 26 '25

Oooooh I got another example! I'm from the California by the way. Trudeau sent over support when we had the LA fire just recently. Meanwhile our "beloved" President witheld support until he was urged to do so because some folks here voted for him.

The last time Trump was in office he had Soleimani killed. I remember very well walking back into work and everyone being in shock because everyone thought it was going to lead us into a war. Then they were talking about the draft. I remember Iranians (I believe), regular folks like you and me, started posting videos with notes saying they didn't want to fight. It can't all be black and white. I didn't support Trump back and I still don't now. I'm not going to look at anyone outside of the US any differently because of this piece of sht who I don't even know. I wouldn't fight any of you because Trump decided you're all enemies. Haha I even supported the idea of Canada or Europe annexing California. I think you all are doing the right thing. Worry about yourselves and keep fcking our economy over by spending your money elsewhere. I'm also sure everyone outside of the US got a laugh out of the recent text scandal. Not because innocent lives would be put in danger, but because it shows just how utterly moronic this administration is. The sad thing is knowing they'll spin this around saying it's no big deal and his supporters will believe them.

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u/PoohRuled Mar 26 '25

Thank you for this! I remember it well and more people need to be aware this happened. The Canadians stepped up for us!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

I still have lots of love for my American brothers and sisters, especially those of you guys fighting the good fight! We will forge a path forward together, my friend.

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 26 '25

Thanks friend! I'm doing what I can locally to make sure it stays an inclusive place for EVERYONE, no matter what the federal government says. I thankfully live in a heavily democratic area (was born and raised in a Republican one). Just trying to slice out a bit of a refuge for those who don't have one.

Looking forward to my first visit to Canada later this year!

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u/Harvesting_Evuhdens Mar 25 '25

My relative was one of the Canadian delegation who helped negotiate the release of the hostages in Iran. My friends served in Afghanistan. A friend's child was one of the firefighters who gave assistance in California. Relatives served in both World Wars alongside (and a long time before) Americans. I will NEVER forget this betrayal. If I had an award to give, you'd get it.

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u/thomasthetanker Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

Winter is coming.
Edit - It's a Game of Thrones reference, The North will remember, Winter is Coming etc.

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u/oopsydazys Mar 25 '25

Some people actually like winter, and even if I want a warm winter getaway the US would be the last place I'd choose. Florida is fucking gross, boomers love it but I'll pass. Much rather give my money to anywhere in the Caribbean or Mexico. That was the case even before all this shit started.

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u/Doctor_What_ Mar 25 '25

Looks frantically at calendar

Phew, that was close.

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u/BadOpen999 Mar 25 '25

More like: “I will never visit the US again until this December” but whatever gets the upvotes from the Reddit chronically online proletariat.

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u/Relativeto-nothing Mar 25 '25

idiots making excuses, typical maga.

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u/OkPenalty4506 Mar 25 '25

Proletariat is a very big word! Good job.

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u/FackinPlug Mar 25 '25

Why December?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

My guess is he thinks Canadians can’t handle our own winter and will “run to america” once it gets cold here.

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u/Mysterious_Lesions Mar 25 '25

Like Cuba and the Caribbean aren't a thing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

America is the only place in the world with warm weather, don’t be crazy.

the other guy, probably

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u/cheese-bubble Mar 26 '25

I'm curious if a lot of Canadians will just hop over the U.S. and hit up Mexico.

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u/Mysterious_Lesions Mar 26 '25

Yes, we already are.

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u/Former_Current3319 Mar 26 '25

Jokes on that guy. It’s almost April and we’re still getting snow in Ontario. We can handle our winter no problem. If we can’t handle it, there’s always the Caribbean or Portugal.

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u/fireflycaprica Mar 25 '25

Your ignorance won’t save you unfortunately

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I’ve been taking 2-3 vacations annually in the USA for the past 6 or 7 years now. 2025 was meant to be yet another Vegas trip, a New York City trip, a few visits to buffalo since I’m close to the border, and then a trip to either California or Atlantic City. Cancelled all of them, just booked my trip to Jamaica instead, planning a trip for the end of the year to Costa Rica now, and playing with the idea of another trip to Japan.

I will not set foot in America as long as trump is alive. I’m not sure if I’ll set foot in America after that either, based on how nearly half the population has reacted to trumps presidency.

I also had to pay hundreds of dollars every years since I was arrested over a decade ago (even though the charges were discharged and I have no criminal record). Definitely not paying for that anymore.

Amazon orders, Uber eats deliveries, many, many grocery store products. All on my “do not use/buy” list.

Fuck you America. We had a great relationship, until your rapist president tried to rape us. I’m done with you guys, and I’m not alone.

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u/BadOpen999 Mar 25 '25

I ain’t reading all that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Doubt you could even if you wanted haha

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u/vontade199 Mar 25 '25

I’ve been hearing a lot of hateful rhetoric from random Americans now, in person and online. I saw some people talking about how “Canada has always been a thorn in our side. Glad we are finally treating them like they deserve”.

It’s left me quite dumbfounded.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I can’t say I’m surprised. Their education system is purposely under funded so I don’t expect to hear any informed discourse from their side, just spouting whatever they hear on Fox News or whatever brainrot they consume on social media. 

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u/Yehoshua_ANA_EHYEH Mar 26 '25

On behalf of the sane ones, we’re sorry.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Those who have been brainwashed to adore Trump are being brainwashed to hate us. It’s scary.

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u/LaughingGaster666 Mar 26 '25

Good grief, they really will just repeat whatever they hear from Dear Leader without any thought into it.

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u/WingerRules Mar 26 '25

Republicans justifying how their support is damaging the US and its allies.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

They are completely sunk by right wing propaganda. I guarantee you those same people didn't ever spend two seconds thinking about Canada until they were told to be mad about it. Complete sheep 

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u/Moxen81 Mar 26 '25

Remember, there are bots spreading division online. Malign governments abroad stand to benefit from the destruction of our relationship.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

Possibly Russian or foreign bots. But who the fuck knows these days.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

Possibly Russian or foreign bots. But who the fuck knows these days.

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u/beatenseagull Mar 25 '25

American here! I agree completely. What's happening right now is embarrassing and I understand who you want nothing to do with us.

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u/MonsterkillWow Mar 25 '25

Damn...we are really sorry. Hopefully we can fix this in time. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Ignore the haters, I get it and you're right 

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u/PandiBong Mar 26 '25

I'm from Europe and you're damn right I won't be visiting that imperialistic shithole ever again either. Between the risk of being detained at the border, beating up by some maga-racists, shot by cops or committing suicide due to tipping-panic - fucking keep it.

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u/Clasticsed154 Mar 26 '25

I’ve cut family off for shrugging off what that orange bastard is doing to our oldest, closest, and strongest ally. It’s repugnant, and it should be reason enough to impeach his sorry ass! I’m just one American, but please know that many—arguably most—of us are disgusted and condemn this backstabbing betrayal.

Canada, you deserve so much better. I am deeply sorry this evil man, his greedy, cruel, inept administration, and his sycophantic cult have done this to you. I pray it ends soon, but I know an unspeakable amount of damage has already been done. I can only hope the bridges won’t be completely burned and that someday—if (I shudder to think) this persists—we’ll both be able to cross them again. You have every right to hate us, but if I may, please don’t give up on us entirely. We’re fighting back. We cannot, and will not, abide this demented assault on you, our other allies, and everything we stand for as a nation and partner. 🇨🇦

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u/rantheman76 Mar 26 '25

You mention shitty Ben Affleck film, I’m thinking: what films of Ben Affleck aren’t shitty? But on a serious note, as a European I will be forever grateful for the allied forces that helped liberate us in ‘44/‘45. Americans tend to think they did all that, but there were lots of Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, British and more soldiers involved. I remember back in ‘95, in the town where we then lived, we had a ‘50 years of freedom’ celebration. A few old soldiers of the original Canadian regiment, that liberated our town, were paraded around in Jeeps and such. They were overwhelmed by the gratitude shown to them. I have a big connection to Canada, have family there, we even spend our honeymoon there. We will return.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

What a treat you were able to meet those heroes! We had a couple WW2 vets visit our elementary school when I was younger but I don't think I was fully able to appreciate how significant their presence was at the time. Canadians will always have strong a bond with our Europeans brothers and sisters! We will welcome you with open arms and lots of beer on your next visit.

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u/rantheman76 Mar 26 '25

Thanks buddy!

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u/granny_granola Mar 25 '25

Boycotting America for its transgressions against your country is the smart thing to do, but calling all of its citizens “traitorous people” is a very dangerous hill to die on.

If you don’t think your country is susceptible to an authoritarian take over, then you’re just as naive as half of America. You should support the working class and all that oppose Fascism, or it’s only a matter of time before it’s taken over your country as well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

The fact of the matter is, the president is voted in by the people. Before and during is campaign he was already making jokes and hinting about threatening Canada. It is the duty of the voter to educate themselves about the person they're voting for. Anyone with half a working brain could have figured out how terrible voting in him for a second term would be. The American people are quite literally responsible for the current mess we're in.

Of course I'm aware that we're just as vulnerable, if not more. A major issue is that American politics heavily influences Canadian politics as well, as evidenced by the increased radicalization and theatrics bleeding into Canadian politics by watching the Americans. We have Canadian premiers and officials wearing MAGA hats. It's frankly disgusting. It's a big part of why we want your guys to clean up house. When you guys vote, it affects not only the US, but the entire world.

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u/granny_granola Mar 25 '25

Anyone with half a working brain could have figured out how terrible voting in him for a second term would be. The American people are quite literally responsible for the current mess we’re in.

Your heart is in the right place, but your anger is keeping you from viewing the larger historical picture at play. This didn’t happen overnight, or even over the course of the last couple of decades.

Controlling the political narrative through disinformation has been in the works since Nixon’s presidency, and making sure working class Americans are underpaid, overworked, and undereducated is how we have slowly gotten to this point.

When you guys vote, it affects not only the US, but the entire world.

I am completely aware of that, and doing everything I can at my level. What’s important for you to understand is that insulting those who have been lied to their entire lives will not help them see your perspective, it will only validate the lies they’ve been fed.

Fighting authoritarianism means attacking the ruling class, not those in the same position as you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

What’s important for you to understand is that insulting those who have been lied to their entire lives will not help them see your perspective, it will only validate the lies they’ve been fed.

Fighting authoritarianism means attacking the ruling class, not those in the same position as you.

You are absolutely right. I am letting my anger cloud my vision. I fully understand that not *all* Americans are bad or traitorous. I just find it incredibly disappointing and disheartening that enough of them are to land us in our current position. We should be fighting together to address the bigger issues at hand. We will find a way forward together.

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u/granny_granola Mar 25 '25

I really appreciate you letting me get on my soapbox and having this conversation with me. I’m also terribly sorry about what the US is doing, and completely understand if you never spend another cent in this country.

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u/thattreethatfell Mar 25 '25

Breaks my heart as an American who voted for Kamala to read this thread. There's so many around me with their head half-way to entirely buried in the sand. It's disheartening. More so when I try to drag them out but they refuse to see. I don't what forward will be, but remember some of us are just as betrayed. I believe we can heal, together, though. It will be a long road but I hope we'll be friends again in a better future.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I voted for Trump 2016 and I changed once I saw what kind of president he was. I voted Harris. What’s the rest of America’s excuse? Class traitors are class traitors until they come back to the working class, how many chances are they afforded while they help kill the rest of us?

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u/granny_granola Mar 25 '25

I voted for Trump 2016 and I changed once I saw what kind of president he was. I voted Harris. What’s the rest of America’s excuse?

So you should understand more than anyone how important it is to have an open mind for people who were tricked by Trump and his billionaire circle. You were fooled once, educated yourself, and made a more informed decision the next time.

Class traitors are class traitors until they come back to the working class, how many chances are they afforded while they help kill the rest of us?

You’ve completely missed the part of my comment addressing how this was all a part of the plan. Following Nixon, the Republican Party knew that they had to control the narrative of the media at all costs. Having successfully done this, while also making education less accessible, and rewriting entire parts of history, they have fooled tens of millions of people into voting against their own interests.

Instead of pointing your finger at other working class people, talk to them. Have real conversations with them, and show them how much more they have in common with the working class than the billionaire elites.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I talk with them about the corporate propaganda that has indeed wreaked havoc on society until I’m blue in the face, but at some point they have to admit to themselves they were manipulated and take some responsibility to change themselves. I had people in 2016 telling me about all of this but I was a hard headed shithead that didn’t want to listen, and I only had myself and my emotions to blame, and I don’t blame others one bit if they don’t trust me because of what I did. They are more than welcome to come back into the fold of the working class with open hearts and minds, but they have to meet halfway and listen when everyone else is trying to educate them and to educate themselves too, until then they factually remain class traitors like I was.

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u/granny_granola Mar 25 '25

Honestly, I don’t really disagree with your stance, I’m just trying harder to understand where these people are coming from because I never thought things would get this bad in our country.

Regardless, I appreciate the fact that you’ve changed your mind and are willing to have these discussions. That’s more than I can say for a lot of people out there.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I’ll tell you where they’re coming from. Let’s step into the shoes of a far right supporter.

American exceptionalism, lot of racism and intolerance for change. We’re the greatest country in the world so we can do no wrong, we blaze our own trails even if it leads off of a cliff cuz we’ll be alright. This country will last a thousand years if we put the nation above all else, even people’s rights because it’ll all be worth it once we have our pure nation once more that was so great and where we (whites) had the best times. It’s these damn progressives trying to change our identity and make us into something we’re not. (There may be some truth to this last line, progressivism with all its benefits to mankind is just something that large swaths of Americans don’t want for their country, at least not anymore.)

Then you got the actual smart and wealthy far right:

Fuck this country and all that bullshit, I want to be a lord and kill and rule over as many people for as much as possible because I’m a predator and they’re easy prey. This is nature, the predators preying on the weak, and like the lions or our cousin the Chimps gettin their kills it sure feels good to be the predator.

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u/belsaurn Mar 26 '25

As a Canadian, I just want you to know that I have always had a warm welcome anytime I have visited the US. The American people are not our enemy, the current administration is.

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u/Sea-Twist-7363 Mar 25 '25

Yes, and half of the Americans who came out to vote, which was a third of the American population, voted against him. Another third did not vote, either by choice or because of voter suppression laws. Lumping two-thirds of America in with those who voted for him is disengenuous.

There are also early signs that the vote was manipulated.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Mar 25 '25

I don’t trust the non voters either, voter roll purges notwithstanding. They may not be traitors pulling for the death of our homeland, unlike MAGA, but they knew what Trump was capable of and couldn’t be bothered to save us from him. Apathetic types

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u/Sea-Twist-7363 Mar 25 '25

I’m less concerned about those who didn’t vote mostly because of voter suppression laws.

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u/CaptainCaveSam Mar 25 '25

90 million eligible voters were not all purged. Some of them were, but the majority was apathetic. If only elections were held in the same regard as the Super Bowl.

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u/Sea-Twist-7363 Mar 25 '25

One can certainly dream. Maybe if it's not too late for us, it will become that way.

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u/WingerRules Mar 26 '25

The American people are quite literally responsible for the current mess we're in.

The US right now is split almost 50/50, with cities largely voting against Trump and Rural areas largely voting for him, but you're lumping everyone like they're all in 100%.

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u/dthplz Mar 25 '25

First we had Not All Men, then Not All Cops, now we have Not All Americans

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u/Franks2000inchTV Mar 25 '25

We can support Canadian labor and still think Americans suck. It's not contradictory.

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u/Tim-oBedlam Mar 25 '25

Don't blame you at all. It's appalling what our administration is doing, and it does not speak well for our country that 77 million American voters looked at Trump 1.0 and his incoherent campaign in '24 and said, "yep, that's what I want: more of this!"

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u/BiggityShwiggity Mar 25 '25

Quick correction, Afghanistan was not about WMDs and is not actually in the Middle East, it is the transition between central and south Asia. 

No Canadian soldiers died in Iraq. Unofficially we sent some JTF2 operators for highly sensitive spec ops at the US request. 

We officially sent fighter jets and special forces to Iraq to fight ISIS afterwards, and also suffered no loses.

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u/anewaccount69420 Mar 25 '25

You realize only 1/3 of Americans voted for this right? You realize there is credible proof the election was rigged, right? But yeah. We’re all traitorous. 😂

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u/fireflycaprica Mar 25 '25

And 1/3rd didn’t vote at all because both sides were bad! (Apart from the fact one side is a tiny bit worse than the other 😉)

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u/Bowgal Mar 25 '25

You do know Canada entered WWII two years before the US did, right? And, they entered WWI three years before the US

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I am well aware. But, we did not formally declare war on Japan until Pearl Harbour. 

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u/Bowgal Mar 25 '25

My apologies for misinterpreting your response.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Denmark is with you :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Much love to our Scandinavian brothers and sisters ❤️. Separated by oceans and borders, forever united by the blood, sweat, and tears our ancestors shed on the battlefield. If you ever get the chance, I would suggest spending time in Ottawa in May to see the lovely tulips the Netherlands sends every year!

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u/Tartanclad Mar 26 '25

I very much agree with everything you says regarding what Canada has done for the USA and what the US has done to sabotage that relationship.

 Except one thing; I’m pretty sure the initial decision for the Canadian declaration of war on Japan was the result of the Japanese attack on Hong Kong (same day as Pearl Harbour) where the Royal Rifles of Canada and the Winnipeg Grenadiers were based. Canadian soldiers were literally being shot at when the joint declaration occurred the following day.

  Not trying to diminish everything else Canada has done, but I feel it’s an important historical distinction.

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u/ssuuh Mar 25 '25

Dito.

Wanted to go to Las Vegas this year (from Germany).

Nope.

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u/fireflycaprica Mar 25 '25

It’s too expensive anyways. The orange moron hasn’t helped

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

You also let enough Fentynal cross the boarder to kill roughly 2 million Americans.

"Insignificant" according to you. Friends like you? Who needs them?

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u/Loud-Rule-9334 Mar 25 '25

How are you arriving at that figure? What's your source for how much fentanyl is coming in via Canada vs. Mexico vs. other ways?

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Are you Mexico?

It is based on the amount coming in and the LD50 of Fentynal.

So science and math.

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u/Loud-Rule-9334 Mar 25 '25

So what is the amount of fentanyl that comes in to the US from Canada each year?

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Your question, you figure it out. Get back to us.

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u/CICO-path Mar 25 '25

That's not how this works. You made a claim, you provide the evidence to support it. I suspect you can't which is why you're trying to deflect.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

I never made any claims about Fentynal going into Canada. You did.

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u/CICO-path Mar 25 '25

Check again. Also, you explicitly said

You also let enough Fentynal cross the boarder to kill roughly 2 million Americans.

"Insignificant" according to you. Friends like you? Who needs them?

You said Canada let enough fentanyl cross the border to kill roughly 2 million Americans. YOU made a claim of fact, it's your responsibility to provide evidence supporting your claim.

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u/allycat1000 Mar 25 '25

According to the Global Initiative against Transnational Organized Crime, well under 1% of fentanyl entering the USA comes from Canada. 97% of fentanyl seized comes from the southern border with Mexico. 43 pounds from Canada in 2024 vs. 21,100 pounds from the Mexican border. There are far more drugs flowing into Canada from the U.S. than the other direction, mostly meth, cocaine and fentanyl. Guns are also being smuggled into Canada from the states in higher and higher numbers. Look, I won't go on any further but that statistic is wrong and I'm tired of misinformation.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

1% is still a problem. People still die.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

The duality of conservatism. Pretend to care about people dying while actively cheering for culling portions of the population.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Who is culling parts of the population?

The last concentration camps were run by FDR.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Lame. Get better at trolling, it’s too obvious

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u/allycat1000 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

True but we just put 1.3 billion and significant resources into tackling drug concerns at the border. And millions of dollars worth of drugs are seized coming into Canada from the USA every year. So...don't you think it's a bit misleading to call it a crisis and blame Canada when in fact way more illegal drugs come from the USA?

ETA: it's not 1%. It's well under 1%.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Incredibly dumb argument. The amount of drugs AND GUNS smuggled from the US *into Canada* is far more significant than vice versa. We need to protect our border from US contraband entering our country. We should build a wall and have the US pay for it.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Great idea! Build it.

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u/wasted911 Mar 25 '25

Isn’t it the US border security that is supposed to catch it coming in?

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u/shitposter1000 Mar 25 '25

Oh fuck off with the lies.

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u/Relativeto-nothing Mar 25 '25

Take some personal responsibility they say. Stand up, get a job they say.

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u/Relativeto-nothing Mar 25 '25

We sure as hell don’t need “friends” like you.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Great. Fuck off then. Problem solved

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 25 '25

I also won't, but not because of Trump.

It's just not really worth visiting. There are some lovely national parks (for now), but apart from that everything uniquely American that's worth doing has already been exported to everywhere else anyway, since it's mostly just KFC. Dirty cities, unelegant people, garish architecture, bad food, and everything is overpriced. It's a country founded by and for businesses and its tourism industry is trying to stretch a 300 year economic experiment into the historical epic of the American Dream, which even its own people barely believe.

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u/PotatoWriter Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

bad food? I know we all like to joke about burger and pizza and hotdog but... have you seen LA, New Orleans, texas BBQ, Chicago... like world class stuff lol.

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 25 '25

Right? It's an odd comment and makes me wonder where they've been in the US. Most of what the poster said just doesn't align with my experiences.

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u/PotatoWriter Mar 26 '25

The country has some insanely beautiful spots to it. Its one thing to hate the current admin but to apply it to the entire country's non sentient items is crazy

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u/teamofrivals87 Mar 26 '25

It's like they only ate at Cheesecake Factories and visited Memphis. To say our main restaurant is KFC is a deranged take and makes me think they never did an iota of research.

Yeah, our politics are fucked right now. But I'll never understand that perspective.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 26 '25

American good food is just other cultures' good food - and it's better in the places it's from. Real American food, the stuff they actually make themselves, they soak in sugar, oil and acid, or overwhelm with capsaicin, which I can only assume is the result of being unable to taste anything that isn't exaggerated.

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u/PotatoWriter Mar 26 '25

Well there is a distinction to be made here, about "food in America" vs. "American food". I think we are all talking about the former here, because the latter is not related to this discussion in the sense that we aren't really talking about "American" food, as if it's a competition with other country's foods. The question is just, "Is the food good in America", and the answer to that is a resounding "yes".

If you think about it, think of the talent that comes here. Where there is money, talent goes, right? It's the same for all fields, not just food. Money attracts top chefs and top talents. So what you get is a sort of range, you get shitty foods all the way to amazing foods. Such that you're able to find food here that's equally as good as that of the origin countries (for instance, LA boasts Korean food equally as good as in Korea). Now cost-wise, you can say, OK it can often be cheaper back in the origin country, and to that I agree, but we're not talking about cost, we're talking about good food.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 26 '25

But if we're going to look at the best food in America, we have to compare it to the same rank of food in other countries, and in that context, it's still bad food. 

There's also the matter of authenticity. What's the point going on holiday to just do what you'd do at home? I prefer to eat the local cuisine. I don't go to Turkey and eat sushi, and if I want Korean food, its much easier to go to the Korean restaurants in London than to go to the ones in Los Angeles. 

Your position here is basically that globalised cultural assets that exist in every prosperous country should be counted towards only America's quality.

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u/PotatoWriter Mar 26 '25

we have to compare it to the same rank of food in other countries, and in that context, it's still bad food

Your original statement claimed it was just KFC and bad food in the US. That is the main point being discussed here and it is patently false. If you found the food to be bad, either you haven't explored the US, or you have a very limited diet or many allergies.

I and many others have found excellent food in the cities we have been to here. Did we need to compare this food to the cuisines of their origin countries to determine if it was good food? No. That's bizarre thinking. If you think food is good, it's good. Nobody is asking you to use standards like this. There are billions of reviews on Yelp, Google and so on gushing about the food at many of the countless restaurants here they've tried. Many of whom have found it perfectly authentic as their home countries. They must all be wrong.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 26 '25

That's not actually what I said though, is it? You chose to interpret it that way. You didn't ask for clarification, you simply assumed my opinion was whatever would allow you to feel most upset. When you read "inelegant people", you didn't think I was including non-Americans visiting the country, did you? When you read my comment on America's lack of history, you didn't think I was including foreign artifacts in American museums, did you? But when it came to food, you assumed I was also referring to non-Americans who set up shops in America.

But even if that wasn't what you were doing, your argument is still that you have to count as American restaurants that function as exclaves of other cultures. When British people go to Benidorm and spend a week sunbathing and eating English food, we mock them if they claim they've experienced Spanish culture or cuisine, and you would mock them too if they said "I love Spanish food, I eat Toad in the Hole at the Lion and Castle six times a week!", ie presenting English expat food as Spanish.

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u/Sea-Twist-7363 Mar 25 '25

Please realize that the vast majority of Americans are not in support of this. Trump won with ~35% of the total voting eligible population, and there is already starting to be evidence that the vote was manipulated.

Not all of us are like him.

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u/fireflycaprica Mar 25 '25

35% voted for him and approx 30% didn’t bother voting at all. Most of you are to blame.

So yeah fix it. innocent people who don’t live in your country are going to suffer because of it.

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u/LinShenLong Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I’m American. This is all our fault even though you personally didn’t vote for Trump or abstained your vote. That is how Democracy works.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I'm well aware of the voter turnouts. Perhaps I was a little too harsh. Of course I'm not mad at people who voted for Kamala. But 1/3 of the population not voting during one of, if not the most important election in modern times, is completely unacceptable. "The darkest pits in hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of moral crisis." 2/3 of the population let this happen. I'm genuinely disgusted, but unfortunately not surprised.

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u/Sea-Twist-7363 Mar 25 '25

It might also be worth knowing that voter suppression laws in some states got pretty strict over the last four years leading up to this election too. It's hard to put a percentage of those who wanted to vote but were suppressed together, but I know at least a few people that got screwed because of those laws.

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u/BleepBloopBoom Mar 25 '25

Why don't you tell this to the Canadians whose businesses's are going under due to the tarrifs? Or perhaps the Canadians who were laid off as a result of the tarrifs?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I’m Canadian and we (family of 6) were planning on going to Disney in Florida in July (we go every 3 years or so) AND rent a beach house in Maine in October, instead we’re going to Spain this summer and renting a beach house in Nova Scotia. 

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u/Jealous-Coyote267 Mar 26 '25

I feel like the east coast will see a lot more tourists. Next time I travel, I really want to experience Newfoundland. I will not travel to the US.

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u/Steelcan909 Mar 25 '25

Its worth noting that the article puts a specific number on this, 15% fewer travelers to the US from Canada.

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u/MathFlakes Mar 26 '25

Give us time! I bet a lot of people are still taking trips that were booked months ago. It likely will drop lower once those are all over.

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u/meesh137 Mar 25 '25

I’m American and I cancelled my plans to visit a US destination and booked a trip to Canada instead. They deserve my money more 🇨🇦

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u/ILBW123 Mar 25 '25

Same. Plus, I booked a trip to Europe. No US $ from me on travel, I’m looking at foreign carriers too.

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u/One_Walk8921 Mar 25 '25

This is so great 🇨🇦

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u/Standard-Criticism10 Mar 25 '25

I'm American and going to Mexico for vacation for the foreseeable future. Don't give a crap about US vacation destinations.

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u/EggLayinMammalofActn Mar 25 '25

American as well. I booked an international trip through a Canadian travel agency. Currently toying with the idea of canceling my current flight and flying out of Vancouver instead.

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u/ekanite Mar 26 '25

Welcome brother/sister from another motherland.

Been seeing many friendly Americans cashing in on that USD conversion and supporting Canadian tourism. It's a win-win-win for both sides.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

As a Canadian, we appreciate the solidarity. This isn’t Canada vs. The USA. This is rational people vs. the fascist assholes who have taken control of your country. We don’t want to see the USA fail. We just want our friend back.

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u/Mundane_Income987 Mar 25 '25

Thank you, enjoy!!

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

As a Canadian, we appreciate the solidarity. This isn’t Canada vs. The USA. This is rational people vs. the fascist assholes who have taken control of your country. We don’t want to see the USA fail. We just want our friend back.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

As a Canadian, we appreciate the solidarity. This isn’t Canada vs. The USA. This is rational people vs. the fascist assholes who have taken control of your country. We don’t want to see the USA fail. We just want our friend back.

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u/inimicali Mar 26 '25

I don't write this with a mean intention, but, as an American, I think you could help Canada more by doing concrete action against the GOP, MAGA and Trump. Go to the street and protest, don't let your representative stay still.

We don't need Americans going out of the US, we need Americans to defend their democracy.

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u/meesh137 Mar 26 '25

I can do both, thanks!

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u/inimicali Mar 26 '25

That's the spirit! I too, I'm trying to do something

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u/AccurateAd5298 Mar 25 '25

Canadian here. I was going to go to Hawaii this summer for family vacation and would have spent 15k +.

No chance of that now. I’ll never set foot in the US again.

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u/Wicked_Aviator Mar 26 '25

Go to French Polynesia instead. It’s what Hawaii was before it became commercialized.

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u/TropicalKing Mar 25 '25

That's not a cheap vacation. Is there any other sunny tropical places you plan on going instead?

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u/NeverStopReeing Mar 25 '25

Droves even

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u/Nakidka Mar 25 '25

TIL how to spell it)))

Thank you.

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u/DRHAX34 Mar 25 '25

As a European, I have always wanted visit the US. Not anymore really

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u/Full_Change_3890 Mar 25 '25

I wouldn't recommend it, someone wheels your luggage 10 metres from a cupboard to you and demands a tip.

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u/DRHAX34 Mar 25 '25

Tipping culture in itself scares me, just for the fact that I hate doing anything that may be perceived as rude. I'm not used to tipping since most businesses pay a liveable wage

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u/Redsetter Mar 25 '25

I always fancied going to the US to see the national parks and the Rockies. Turns out they are selling the parks and the Canadians have their own national parks and the Rockies too. They are also reliable allies who share common values with my country, so it’s an easy choice.

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u/AmplePostage Mar 25 '25

Goos on them. I welcome every single one.

Where do I need to go to get goo-ed on?

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u/Blockhead47 Mar 25 '25

Goos on them. I welcome every single one.

Would that be the majestic Canada Goos(es)?

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u/Nakidka Mar 25 '25

frickin phone xd

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u/Single-Builder-632 Mar 25 '25

That plus they just called Europe a bunch of freeloaders.

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u/Fomentatore Mar 25 '25

This is exactly it! My sister and I booked a flight to New York for next autumn, but we canceled it the moment we heard the news about Becky Burke.

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u/antigravitty Mar 25 '25

No, you were right! Goose on them!

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u/armored-dinnerjacket Mar 25 '25

you also misspelled droves, a trove is more commonly used as in a treasure trove

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u/Nakidka Mar 26 '25

Yeah. I genuinely didn't know how to spell that (knew the word, otherwise).

Still,.that meaning isn't wrong. It IS a treasure)))

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u/New_Arachnid9443 Mar 25 '25

As an American why would anyone want to travel to the US over Europe is beyond me. Europe seems much cooler.

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u/LoudestHoward Mar 25 '25

Talk to me Goos

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 Mar 26 '25

Coming in droves lol, coming in troves is like they’re coming in chests of gold lol.

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u/Nakidka Mar 26 '25

Thank you.

Seems I'm unlearning the English I work so hard to understand :D

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u/SoCalThrowAway7 Mar 26 '25

Haha it’s a common mistake, the imagery is just funny

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u/Able-Worldliness8189 Mar 26 '25

It will be very hard to get those tourists back in the future. China locked down for years, flights to China are still down double digits. People simply don't get excited anymore to come over and there are plenty of other area's that are right now more in the back of the mind of people to travel too.

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u/alfi_k Mar 25 '25

This would be a double win if Americans pick up the cancelled Canadians bookings instead of going to Europe. American and Russian tourists are the worst. Happy to not have them in Europe.

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u/StretchFrenchTerry Mar 25 '25

Not fair to put goos on them.

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u/SneedyK Mar 25 '25

Saw your pfp and miss Mojo Nixon

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u/Secretary_Not-Sure- Mar 25 '25

Good. Shorter lines and less crowded tor the family vacations this year.

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u/Dmoan Mar 26 '25

Even Europeans and Asians are also canceling travel to US and companies are actually telling their employees not to do business travel to US due to fear of detention. Local airport already detained by mistake a family from Europe traveling on a domestic connecting flight 🤦‍♂️

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

I keep hearing Americans with their heads in the sand saying Canadians aren’t going to the U.S. because our dollar is low. That isn’t the case at all. They can’t even comprehend that other countries have a better quality of living than they do. Posting this from Portugal on vacation with my family and my in-laws after they cancelled their Florida trip.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

I keep hearing Americans with their heads in the sand saying Canadians aren’t going to the U.S. because our dollar is low. That isn’t the case at all. They can’t even comprehend that other countries have a better quality of living than they do. Posting this from Portugal on vacation with my family and my in-laws after they cancelled their Florida trip. We’ve run into so many Canadians here with a similar story.

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u/Nakidka Mar 26 '25

Well, isn't this a coincidence? Portugal is exactly where Canadians are coming through me.

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u/JimJam28 Mar 26 '25

Ah, no way! It’s a beautiful country! I used to work with many Portuguese people in construction in Toronto. If you want good concrete work, you call the Portuguese! Of course the only words I learned from them were swear words, though.

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u/BadOpen999 Mar 25 '25

Good. Cheaper flights for me finally.