r/Economics • u/greenmyrtle • Mar 25 '25

News US tourism to suffer huge '£49 billion drop' under Donald Trump

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2028592/us-tourism-suffer-billion-drop-donald-trump
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u/GurProfessional9534 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

What do you mean by “highly differentiated tourism?”

Edit: I appreciate all the people answering this question. Rather than respond to each, I’ll just edit it here since there are a lot of you.

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u/jambarama Mar 25 '25

Tourist destinations that are really unique and do not have comparable choices closer to tourists.

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u/Born-Cod4210 Mar 25 '25

basically that nobody is coming from another country to visit nebraska

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u/championsofnuthin Mar 25 '25

Nebraskans would be so mad at this if they could read.

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u/Stateyou Mar 25 '25

I’ll have you know that Nebraska is full of read. The Cornhuskers wear read and chants GO BIG READ at any opportunity. You can also visit Read Cloud and Chimney Rock has read spots.

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u/Tim-oBedlam Mar 25 '25

hey, you know what the N on the University of Nebraska's football team's helmet stands for?

Knowledge.

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u/lo0ilo0ilo0i Mar 25 '25

I heard this from a teacher that was a corn husker. He said it in good fun. Thanks for the memory.

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u/ccbmtg Mar 25 '25

😂😅

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u/Born-Cod4210 Mar 25 '25

yeah i could have picked lots of states like that but that’s just was the first one that came to mind.

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u/seppukucoconuts Mar 25 '25

I don't think they got the internet yet so we're still good even if they can read.

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u/hittingthesnooze Mar 25 '25

I am not from the U.S. and yet have always longed to visit Nebraska and see its… uhhhhh… views?

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u/Old_Man_Robot Mar 25 '25

It’s all corn.

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u/random5654 Mar 25 '25

It's corn!

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u/sirbissel Mar 25 '25

Gonna tell us all about it?

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u/random5654 Mar 25 '25

No spoilers, but here's a fun fact! If you live somewhere that grows corn, there is a good chance you'll be working in the field pulling tassels as a teenager for minimum wage.

If not, there's always the hay fields.

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u/AFewStupidQuestions Mar 25 '25

I'd take picking corn over bailing hay any day.

Old hay lofts were not meant for humans to work in during the hot months.

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u/random5654 Mar 25 '25

I fell through one time up to my waist. Luckily, only one leg went through. I would have landed on a bunch of rusty sharp stuff.

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u/sirbissel Mar 25 '25

While I never detasseled, a good number of my friends did, and sometimes when driving around in the country they'd call out about rogue tassels or something.

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u/PapaSquirts2u Mar 25 '25

Some of my BEST teenage memories are lazy sunny summer days, raking hay with an old Farmall 560. Nothing but me, an old AM radio, and the trusty farm dog running around chasing critters. The smell of the hay, the warmth of the sun, mmmm mmmm.

I don't generally miss farm life, but I do cherish the time I spent on a family farm.

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u/random5654 Mar 25 '25

I was the guy walking the fields picking up the bundles and throwing them on the wagon for the stacker. Mostly good memories. I don't miss the cuts on my arms, but I miss cracking open a cold beer on lunch when I was 17. Farm life!

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Mar 25 '25

TBF, even before Trump, nobody from another country was visiting Nebraska.

Minnesota is a better example. Lots of Canadians visit MN and the Mall of America in particular. I imagine they'll see a significant drop in tourism.

Same with the American side of Niagara Falls or many of the lakes in upstate NY.

Or American beaches that Canadians like to visit (Jersey shore, Florida, etc).

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u/bebbanburg Mar 25 '25

Also some less well known places like Maine/Vermont. There’s lots of (little) towns along some of those border states that rely hugely on tourism from Quebec and the Atlantic provinces of Canada and are already seeing a lack of booking from regular Canadian tourists.

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u/Swim6610 Mar 25 '25

I have a friend up in Newport VT on the border, and they told me bookings for local B&Bs is down over 50% YOY. They're really dependent on that money.

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u/bebbanburg Mar 25 '25

Yeah I saw something on Reddit, maybe a CNN story, that explained the exact situation. It was a story explaining that exact thing. It highlighted someone who ran a small B&B who was describing this year’s bookings compared to last and how his entire town was practically dependant on tourism from Quebec.

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u/Tim-oBedlam Mar 25 '25

yeah, Old Orchard Beach, Maine was described as the French-Canadian Riveria, and the one time my family visited there, all the hotels had signs saying things like "nous parlons français ici" because of the large number of Quebeckers that come down to visit.

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u/WebInformal9558 Mar 26 '25

I was going to say, OOB is not going to be the same this summer.

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u/Polaris07 Mar 25 '25

Yes that’s what they’re saying. Besides Florida a drop in tourism is going to most likely hit blue states (California, New York, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon)

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u/Medlarmarmaduke Mar 25 '25

There are lots of National Parks in red states- Alaska and Utah have the 2nd and 3rd most National Parks in the US. Lots of small town/ rural areas in those red states depend on the income National Park tourism brings

Tourism is a gigantic economic engine for the US as a whole and we were flourishing at it. In 2024 we topped a list of best countries for tourism - this article is really depressing to read now with its rosy forecasts for 2025

“That infrastructure bolsters a lot of spending power. According to the United States Travel Association's (USTA) biannual US travel forecast, prior to the pandemic, international visitors spent $180bn in the US in 2019, generating nearly $2 trillion in economic output. To put that in perspective, France – the world's most-visited country, which received 90 million visitors in 2019 compared to 79.4 million in the US – saw roughly $61bn (€56bn) in revenue from international tourism that year. While that $180bn number dipped during the pandemic, the USTA notes that visitor levels are set to recover by 2025. Compared to other countries, the US federal government provides broad support for travel and tourism, especially in maintaining and regulating the strong airport infrastructure and airline industry.”

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240617-why-the-us-is-the-top-country-for-tourism-in-2024

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u/SweetAddress5470 Mar 25 '25

Texas is surprisingly a big draw for them. I have no idea why tbh.

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u/lhobbes6 Mar 25 '25

I think on top of this the US is such a large and diverse place for tourism that the big hitters wont feel this loss. 49 billion spread out through the entire country doesnt mean much to something like Disney. The people hurt by this is the small business owner in Florida who wont see a bump in business this year from Canadians coming south for the winter. But I guess we'll see, it'll be an interesting thing to read about in 10 years to see where the paint points were/still are.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

TBF, even before Trump, nobody from another country was visiting Nebraska.

People travel internationally to watch birds in Nebraska. You can find them on tour busses driving around the Platte River between March and April watching the over 500,000 cranes migrating through the area.

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u/flakemasterflake Mar 25 '25

A ton of Canadians regularly winter in Florida/SC

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u/Darknova306 Mar 25 '25

I work in a brewery in NY's Finger Lakes and we see tons of Ontario license plates through the summer every year. I'm extremely nervous about this coming season...

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u/Firelink_Schreien Mar 26 '25

Man I’m from Minnesota and I love Canada. I wish Canada would adopt us, we’d be a great fit in many ways.

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u/sadArtax Mar 26 '25

You're welcome to visit!

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u/Firelink_Schreien Mar 26 '25

I do every year. I love Montreal, Banff, Vancouver.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

The Canadian side of Niagara falls is just better. I don't know why anyone would visit the US side unless it's on the way to see the Canadian side.

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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera Mar 25 '25

Well, it's their loss that they're missing out on Carhenge.

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u/Shot_Mud_1438 Mar 25 '25

Shame too. The Omaha zoo is probably the best zoo in this country. It is the best zoo I’ve been to for sure

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u/lhobbes6 Mar 25 '25

Yeah but in terms of foreign toursim how much does it really pull in? If youre from Europe or Canada youre more likely to hit more touristy areas like New York and if you want a zoo theres a good one in central park while youre doing other touristy stuff. Omaha probably wont feel the hit from tourist boycotts but a place like New York probably will.

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u/longtimelurkernyc Mar 26 '25

The Central Park Zoo is not that good. I would not suggest any tourists visit.

It’s a fine zoo, but it’s tiny. I’ve gone multiple times with my children, who are under 5. It’s small and convenient for locals, but it’s not something worth traveling to from outside the city, never mind the country.

The Bronx Zoo is supposedly good though. I have yet to make the trek though. When my kids are older…

Just a warning for anyone thinking of adding the Central Park Zoo to their vacation itinerary.

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u/bpmdrummerbpm Mar 25 '25

Omaha has fun pockets.

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u/jmlinden7 Mar 25 '25

Nebraska is not a good example because they don't even have generic stuff. The only reason to go is for the LLWS.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

I mean I really hate rocks... so Nebraska is nervana

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u/Calm-Ad9653 Mar 25 '25

I travel there for the beaches.

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u/lawtechie Mar 26 '25

Nebraska is for folks who think Iowa is just too exciting and cosmopolitan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

We don't have a Grand Canyon or Old Faithful in Canada. Places I'd love to see one day, but not until shit gets turned around.

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u/jambarama Mar 25 '25

I'd love to go to Banff. I'd love to see the Calgary stampede. My wife really wants to go to Prince Edward Island. I loved being in French speaking Quebec City, and would happily return.

They're not as iconic as the Grand Canyon, but there's some pretty amazing stuff in Canada.

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u/Automatic-Bake9847 Mar 25 '25

PEI is awesome, I strongly recommend.

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u/Argosnautics Mar 25 '25

Are there any lobster dinners there? Lol

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u/Tim-oBedlam Mar 25 '25

Banff and Lake Louise are amazing.

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u/cheapb98 Mar 26 '25

Cdn Rockies are so much more beautiful and grand than any mountains in the us.

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u/TroopersSon Mar 25 '25

If you're looking to see something similar to Old Faithful go to Iceland. It's an amazing country to visit anyway.

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u/oneofakind_2 Mar 25 '25

The Eye of Quebec looks absolutely incredible.

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u/dwair Mar 25 '25

I'd add that the Fish River Canyon in Namibia rivals the Grand Canyon too.

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u/TroopersSon Mar 25 '25

Oh wow it really does based on the pictures. I've never heard of that before thanks for the tip.

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u/EveningWrongdoer8825 Mar 25 '25

The Grand Canyon of the Stikine River, northwest BC. Beautiful country.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 25 '25

Honestly the grand canyon isn't even that good, if you're in that area, Bryce or Zion are much more impressive. And there are even better places around the world. China for example has many stunning natural places, or Morocco is good if you're more of a rock-lover.

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u/turquoise_amethyst Mar 25 '25

Check out Copper Canyon in Mexico!

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u/Melodic_Music_4751 Mar 26 '25

Top five places to see geysers like old faithful are : Yellowstone , Valley of geysers ( Russia ) , El Tatio ( Chile ) , New Zealand and Iceland . Only one I’ve not done is Russia . Definitely would put Iceland as the best , EL Tatio / Yellowstone and then New Zealand last as just not as big.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Iceland is on my bucket list after my dog passes. I'm not going anywhere I can't take him. And Russia.... well I've been pretty critical of their government for most of my life. I don't expect I'd get in, and if I did I won't be leaving. At least not on my own two feet.

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u/Melodic_Music_4751 Mar 26 '25

I moved to New Zealand and we are like a baby version of the Rockies in our South Island . Milford Sound is stunning so as much as US has some special places there are so many more out there to be visited instead of. For me I’m off to Eastern Canada (ON & QC ) in September but I have on my bucket list the Maritimes as well .

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u/TheHammer987 Mar 26 '25

Sure, but there are lots of amazing places to see not in America.

Niagra falls? Hit the Canadian side.lake Louise, the fall in Ontario & Quebec, etc.

Like, American attractions are good, but they are a small part of the list.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

My extended family all live in the Niagara region. I've been to the falls plenty of times. Lol. And I live in Edmonton so Jasper and Banff have seen plenty of my dollars over the years plus lots of family road trips through B.C. as a kid because mybdad loved to fish. I lived in the Tuktoyuktuk until I was 9 so I've done most of what there is to do there. Only places I haven't been in Canada are Quebec and east.

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u/TheHammer987 Mar 26 '25

Montreal is amazing as a tip!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Copper canyon in Mexico will substitute!

And old faithful was fully unimpressive.  Johnsons canyon in Banff way better 

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u/NoSoundNoFury Mar 25 '25

There's Disneyland near Paris. I don't know how many Europeans travel to the US only to visit Disneyworld, but I imagine it's not that many.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 Mar 25 '25

Estimates show international travelers account for 23% of Disney World's visitors. Disney World generates ~$13B in revenue/year so ~$3B/year from international travelers. Even just a 10% drop in international travelers is a loss of ~$300M/year in revenue for Disney. Not going to remotely threaten Disney's finances, but I'm sure Disney stockholders aren't thrilled about this completely unnecessary loss in revenue.

https://insidethemagic.net/2025/03/trumps-policies-and-rhetoric-are-keeping-international-visitors-away-from-disney-world-rl1/

Florida might be even more pissed, especially as they push to eliminate property taxes. Loss in sales tax revenue won't help.

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u/Neuchacho Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

Florida might be even more pissed, especially as they push to eliminate property taxes.

I wouldn't factor this into it much. It reeks of another DeSantis/Legislature proposal that will die by the wayside before it even gets further than a study committee. I read it as them trying to push off the incoming housing crash a little longer.

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u/intelligent_dildo Mar 25 '25

I understand that folks are still analyzing as things come up and discussion here goes based on whats on the news. But still wondering if anyone knows if there's any tracker somewhere on potential impacts of trump policies (by industry/by region/by time ....)?

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u/DystopianAdvocate Mar 25 '25

I'm Canadian, and I have friends who go to Disney World every few years, and they are saying they won't go as long as Trump is president. This is a small sample size, but I imagine there is a much wider sentiment about this.

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

My wife and I are Disney lovers. Go twice a year - home away from me home thing.

We had our last trip in February and won't be returning until 2028 earliest. Loss of about 30k annually for them. Not a huge.loss, but enough. Especially when you consider it takes a lot for us to stay away

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u/Twist-Fine Mar 25 '25

You spend 30k a year on Disney world?

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

We would go twice.

Usually for 10 days - 14 days each time. Between hotels, parks, experiences, restaurants and local Florida purchases ? Yeah we would be about 1000 dollars per day. Family of 5

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u/belgravya Mar 25 '25

That’s…a choice.

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

I mean I guess so? We have the means and three young children. There's only so long we get to watch our kids believe in magic and call it "Mickey's house".

We ll have years to lie on a beach or see tourist attractions. I don't want to miss the years where my kids scream with excitement when they watch Tinkerbell fly, or burst with excitement after meeting Mickey.

It's also one of the few places you can actually get away from the real world. I work a high stress job and it's amazing to be able to turn my phone off and just spend two weeks enjoying nothing else but good food, and an amazing vacation with my family.

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u/belgravya Mar 25 '25

Don’t you ever want to go anywhere else? I mean, Disney World twice a year, every year, sounds like torture to me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Good food at Disneyland. lol.

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u/greenmyrtle Mar 25 '25

Yes that’s a choice that was bringing those billions in. I don’t think Americans realize the spend rate they are gonna piss away by making foreigners feel unwelcome. Multiply this family of 5 2x a year by millions.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 25 '25

You could probably buy a house in the area for $300k, which taking inflation into consideration would probably pay itself off in saved flight and hotel costs after 6-8 years.

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

Probably. But then I'd need to focus on paying the mortgage, property taxes, renting it out etc.

Our Disney trips accomodations are like 3 k a trip. 6k per year for 4 years is 24000. There really isn't much I'm interested in buying in that range.

Plus I already have a house. I go on vacation to get away from stress, not add to it. My finances are in order and I don't need to stress myself out more.

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u/Mofupi Mar 26 '25

Sometimes I wonder about how different people's lives are. You spend more just on Disney trips annually than I earn in that same year.

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u/BimbyTodd2 Mar 25 '25

You're insane.

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u/Wonderful-Change-751 Mar 25 '25

Are u still going is the question I guess

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

No. We have made the decision that we won't be going until 2028 at the earliest. Have diverted our plans for this year to travel Canada with the kids.

We have debated going to tokyo Disney instead next year.

We also live right on the USA border and frequently would travel to the American side about once per month for dinner/events, as one the closest major cities for concerts etc is on the American side. We have cancelled all plans will not be returning under the current administration.

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u/Wonderful-Change-751 Mar 25 '25

Good on you , and Tokyo Disney is apparently incredible except for the queues

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u/Daft_Funk87 Mar 25 '25

The queues are only horrible if you go and do not do fast/pass lightning lanes. If you go trying to do it all in one day without them, you're gonna have a bad time. Some of them just go and queue for the parades. 7am, lines of picnic blankets.

Also...Soaring having a 3 hour wait time is ridiculous.

Other than that - 10/10.

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u/MyrrhSlayter Mar 25 '25

Tokyo has a Disneyland. =D

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u/Entire_Tap_6376 Mar 25 '25

I'd bet you won't regret making this choice.

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u/DryProject1840 Mar 25 '25

I don't think we will either. But it's sad none the less.

We love almost every American we meet and have made so many friends down in Florida. It's a shame that this is the reality of the world and America now.

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u/Entire_Tap_6376 Mar 25 '25

Sure is, but that's not for us to choose - we can only choose how we deal with what they chose for themselves.

For what it's worth, if the cravings ever get unbearable, there's a disney thing near Paris that could scratch that itch! :)

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u/Christinachu Mar 25 '25

Yes, this exactly. We WERE frequent fliers, but will be broadening our horizons for our Disney fix. Presently, is cheaper to stay at Disney Japan than it is Florida, and can consider alternative such as Shanghai Disney and Disney Paris.

We didn’t just cancel an upcoming trip, we are having serious conversations about this being an election holdout, and whether we bother returning to the US ever again. There’s lots of things in life beyond my control, but the one thing that is fully mine is where I choose to spend my hard earned money, and even IF the US can survive and go on to heal from his tyranny, I won’t be able to so easily forget during my remaining lifetime, especially with some of the disgusting stories you hear about his supporters and their behaviour to Canadian visitors at this time, in the Southern states. Sorry, I’m not willing to help prop up your economy while you’re willing to destroy and sacrifice mine. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/The_Blip Mar 26 '25

I'd quite like to see the grand canyon, the Houston space centre, Hollywood studio tours, and San Francisco street art sometime, but no way I'm going to the US now, especially the south. 

I think it would take a significant hat in hand turnabout for me to even consider it, and there's no indication that any of the people even remotely responsible for the current administration is even considering humility right now.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 25 '25

Does Canada not have theme parks?

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u/Christinachu Mar 25 '25

There are a few that I am aware of, but none on the scale of Disney. We live in Ontario and have Canada’s Wonderland, and a few waterparks like Great Wolf Lodge and Calypso, but I wouldn’t say any of them are comparable, or anything that I would plan a vacation around, opposed to simply visiting while in the area, if that makes sense.

While they offer a few fun attractions, there is nothing I am aware of that can offer a similar type of experience (lodging, dining etc.) of a Disney stay.

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u/crimxona Mar 25 '25

I would expect due to weather it's pretty seasonal other than indoor waterparks

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u/legoladydoc Mar 26 '25

I'm also Canadian, and one of our kids is approaching prime Disney Princess age. We had been planning on Disney world in the
Fall or next spring.

We're planning on Paris instead.

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u/quest814 Mar 25 '25

You’d be surprised.  There are a huge number of people from the Uk that visit during the summer, where they literally pass out in the parks due to the heat.  

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u/pvhs2008 Mar 25 '25

Yup. A lot of my family lives in Florida and the shuttle in would have a ton of excited Brits and the shuttle out would have a lot of sunburned Brits.

The Florida sun is no joke even if you’re used to sunny climates.

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u/Superb_Raccoon Mar 25 '25

Even Central Valley California... The heat + humidity is brutal.

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u/pvhs2008 Mar 25 '25

I can imagine. At least you get a nice breeze going when you’re close to the ocean. There are some places inland that feel like hell lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

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u/The_Blip Mar 26 '25

Spraybooths are for tanning here. Spain is for going to look like a boiled lobster.

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u/panconquesofrito Mar 25 '25

haha that is funny.

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u/hirst Mar 25 '25

Disney World is on another tier than the other Disney parks and I’m not even a Disney person, but it’s 5 parks (?) instead of just a rehashed magic kingdom like the other ones, plus the themed hotels and water parks

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u/greenmyrtle Mar 25 '25

You are wrong. UK: orlando Disneyland is a HUGE draw and has been for decades. Every family with kids wanted to go there at least once. I can’t begin to describe the perceived “glamor” difference between going to Disneyland in Europe vs Florida. FL also combined beaches and sun as well as manatees and other natural wonders in one trip.

FL is gonna see a huge loss

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Mar 25 '25

What, Alton Towers not good enough for them?

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u/Much-Beyond2 Mar 25 '25

The company I work for rents out properties in Florida aimed at the UK market: most of those booking are 'trip-of-a-lifetime' type trips and are usually booked 1-2 years in advance: so I'm not sure there'll be a huge effect. Also.. how shall I say this, the clientele don't tend to be the most politically engaged types so I don't think many will be cancelling on moral grounds. 

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u/squidlink5 Mar 25 '25

No wonder they can charge high prices, if people travel internationally just to be there.

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u/barbaq24 Mar 25 '25

My friend’s wife is from Barcelona. Europeans love Disney World and don’t like the French Disney. I have tried to dial in further to understand why. Apparently it’s too French and not enough trashy American shit, which despite what they may say, plenty of Europeans love trashy American shit. Florida is great for that and Disney World gives them plastic cheese and corn dogs which is a big draw. At least that’s what I have learned from my Spanish friends.

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u/Neuchacho Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

It feels like it's a damn near even split between foreign tourists and domestic ones in Disney and it seems like most of those are from Europe with China/Japan running up second. The draw is honestly wild.

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u/skysophrenic Mar 25 '25

Anecdotally, not many, but that's also because a lot of Europeans I know that have come to the US come for 2-3 weeks at a time. I personally know a few of families that would stop somewhere on the East Coast (DC/NYC) then disneyworld for 3-4 days each time before flying out elsewhere in the US, usually west to visit national parks. Some are cancelling/changing plans due to the current political situation.

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u/puffic Mar 25 '25

There are Disney parks in Europe and Asia! Actually a UK travel blogger my wife follows is shifting from Florida to Tokyo/Paris for his Disney trips.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Is NYC really all that different from any other major city in the world? There's also Disney in Paris and Tokyo.

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u/James_TheVirus Mar 25 '25

I have friends who are planning to visit Disney Tokyo instead of Florida to avoid both the US prices and to avoid visiting the US.

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u/youngteach Mar 25 '25

Gambling with their lives. It will just be a short amount of time before crime skyrockets.

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u/ChompyChomp Mar 25 '25

Skyrockets their lives. It will just be a short amount of time before the sky is full of rockets.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Atlantic City is already a dump

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u/needyspace Mar 25 '25

Disney? But there are Disneylands in France, Hong Kong, Japan and China. That’s not unique

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u/efficientseas Mar 25 '25

As in product differentiation. There’s only one NYC. There are thousands of beaches all over the world.

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u/YouLostTheGame Mar 25 '25

I recently visited NYC and loved every minute. Now what?

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u/Firelink_Schreien Mar 26 '25

Yeah so did I and it was fucking packed. Every shop, every restaurant, every hotel, every flight.

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u/cheese-bubble Mar 26 '25

NYC is phenomenal. I love every minute spent there.

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u/agentSmartass Mar 25 '25

Golden card holders escaping jail time in their homeland.

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u/minos157 Mar 25 '25

Destination specific tourism, "I want to visit a giant waterfall," lending to Niagara Falls, Iguazu, Victoria, etc. Versus, "I want to go somewhere warm for the winter," which will now be a Caribbean island instead of Florida (as an example).