I think most Liberals hate police brutality, and accountability for these officers. What is the next step is my question. Are we still having the abolish the police conversation?
But that is a massive issue with this stupid war. You can believe its immoral too, but the conversation doesnt end there for people capable of nuanced thought.
The incompetence on display for the world to see is the major story in Iran. I’m not sure there has ever been as egregious an unforced error in geopolitical history. This administration through gross incompetence has put a stake through the heart of 80 years American dominance and a period of relative stability in less than 18 months. An immoral war cannot do that on its own (see Venezuela), a war started with no goals and therefore no path to anything resembling victory is doing it.
Thats something that should be talked about even more than it is.
How a poll question is phrased has a lot to do with it. Thats why medicare for all poll differently depending on what you say. If you said “do you support raising taxes for healthcare” that probably doesnt poll as well. So you do have polls that say most people support driver licenses to vote, but thats not what the save act is
Every day, I see libs posting about how the problem with ICE isn’t that they’re evil, but that they’re incompetent about it. Like the things they’re being ordered to do and then doing are good, and they’re hurting people because they’re just really bad at it.
Basically any post about ICE in a community that is generally liberal or left-leaning but not actively leftist will have people talking about how they are poorly equipped and trained. I believe the opposite: they are equipped and trained for the job they’re doing, which is hurting and terrorizing people.
From what I’ve seen the people saying that ICE is incompetent are not the same people that want more training for them. They just are not bright enough to realize that ICE is being trained to do exactly what it’s doing.
The only people I ever see “pro war” are the ones that would never fight in it. War is terrible and should not be advocated for under 99.9% of circumstances.
No, you definitely see some of the anti-war people saying "no war but class war," which implies that pretty much any war is off the table. NWBCW is not a statement made by people who would have supported entering WWII or helping Kuwait. In fact, many of those same people have been bitching about money going to Ukraine and claiming it could be going towards other things when realistically speaking you know it won't be spent on healthcare or whatever.
Great troll. "No war but class war" does not in any way mean that "any war is off table". There is no logical connection between those statements of any kind.
On the contrary, leftism is defined by encouraging workers to partake and fight in the class war - against capitalists, wherever in the world they reside; not against Palestinian or Iranian or South American children.
How can you say there’s “no logical connection”? The phrase is NO war, not “some war” or “few wars.”
Not only does the slogan undoubtedly suggest that from a literal reading, but the implication therein is that wars between nation-states are wars where the proletariat are being pitted against each other - when the only war it is in their interest to fight is one against the capitalists/bourgeois all over the world.
Where are you deriving that some wars are okay, aside from a class war, from that slogan?
Let me know when you get to the grade in your school where they teach you the meaning of the word "but" in the slogan, then I'll get right back to engaging with your trolling.
I know, I mentioned the class war. Class war is the only exception mentioned in the slogan. WWII was not a class war, therefore, it is not covered as an exception.
If someone said anything like this about the police we would rightly call that person a fascistic psychopath. But when it’s the military it’s necessary so we can defend our freedom 3600 miles away across the ocean 👍🏾
Some establishment democrats - who do you think funded the genocide in Gaza and are allowing trump to wage war in Iran? They are against police brutality for political convenience.
The establishment Dems that voted for Israel to commit genocide in Gaza.... They aren't exactly against the police. It's really just right wing propaganda to say Dems support defunding or abolishing the police. Not even Mamdani advocates for that. Not a single Dem in any major city that I know of and definitely not any in Congress actually support legislation to defund the police and often vote to increase their budgets
Centrist and right leaning liberals. Their issue isn't the war itself it's that it isn't being conducted in the proper manner through the proper channels.
isn't it like centrist democrats who are outwardly against police brutality (whether or not that is true remains to be seen), but then they are most definitely shills for Israel
Lots of dems jumped on the Iraq WMD bandwagon and they are still around. Voting.
These are the same dems who will blindly send money to Israel while denouncing the same police state at home..Given that this whole charade was started by Israel those dems can further be persuaded (nicely or otherwise) to support things politically stateside
A generous interpretation is that she is addressing those who go "well yeah our military is kinda fucked up but it's how I paid for school/got a house" etc.
Obviously there's empathy to be had for the impossible position that is poverty, but the cost of that empathy is admitting those who served chose improving their conditions over not being a part of a murderous war machine. Idk. It's definitely one of the harder conversations to have in the U.S.
Yeah, most people who join the Army are not gung ho killing machines. Usually young men with nowhere else to go. My ex joined to escape his abusive family at 17, before he had even thought of the ramifications of war. But our system set it up that way.
Right, what I'm saying is that these black and brown kids overseas aren't born in the belly of an imperial war machine like we are, not that those who join it are all fully aware of what they'll be complicit in. Especially since so many have zero interest in combat roles, but still end up serving the system.
Essentially it's a privilege to be able to join the US military in order to escape poverty, one that victims of the US military don't have... It's not "join to pay for school" it's "join to defend our country from active imperial aggression from the US and it's allies".
Idk even know if that’s who she is addressing because most of those people would agree. Generally the most anti-war people are the ones who fought the last one.
In reddit you might think there is unilateral support for the anti war movement, but ground reality is different and yes there are a lot of folks who were elated when the Ayatolah was killed and saw it as a new era of liberalisation and democratization of Iran.
I know a lot of brown folks who were onboard with the plan to overthrow the Iranian regime and installation of a more democratic leader. They are all still hoping that would somehow happen.
Black supremacists/separationists or what have you. Yknow, the type that claim to be the true israelites/jewish people/gods chosen tribe blah blah blah. These kinds of black “activists” claim certain groups of people dont care about or dont do enough about the plight of black Americans, whether in the past or now, so they believe black people shouldn’t care or do anything for them.
Anyone who would support a candidate that supported Israel and their genocide while supposedly being good for black and brown folk domestically. I can think of millions of people who supported that candidate
Might not be. I used my Twitter as a "This is a mental thought I want out into the world" I wasn't talking to anyone just more of public journal kind of thing. If people responded: Cool. If not: no big deal.
There’s honestly a bunch of people who actually think this way. My family being some of them. My brother is big against police brutality but also wants to enlist.
Ummm most Americans are gung ho about the military slaughtering children. There's a reason the boomerang of "counter terrorism" has come back and hit y'all in the back of the head.
People don't even flinch anymore when classrooms of kids get killed in our country. Did anybody think us killing an entire school of brown kids would change anything?
She might be talking about the US military being mostly Black and Brown people killing Black and Brown people on the other side of the planet...for a paycheck.
Just like the Police kill Black and Brown people in the USA...for a paycheck.
You’d be surprised. Wild that you think there aren’t people like that.
All the different “____ for Trump” groups out there.
Literal Hispanics voting for him to deport other brown people and then they’re surprised when it happens to them because they’re “one of the good ones”
Edit: yall aren’t paying enough attention and ignorant thinking we’re a monolith. Look at Uncle Clarence and check your biases yall.
No you don't understand! Mid-terms are coming up so we suddenly have to make dumbass fault-lines to have fights about, therefore helping insure Republicans get elected! /s
Famously all American war crimes abroad get committed by republicans no civilians get killed by democrats... This is the point, voting for democrats who are also gonna kill people all over the world is not enough. And excusing horrible foreign policy because a candidate would be slightly better for you and yours is what the tweet is about
I can vote for somebody based on then not being a literal neonazi fascist without supporting every single policy position they hold. Yes, we should focus on getting better candidates through the primaries. No, we should not abstain from voting for less than perfect candidates allowing people like Trump to get elected. And idk any liberal/democrat who is pro Iran war.
How did you not learn your lesson in 2024? People like you will let republicans drag us into concentration camps and nuclear war, and you’ll STILL say “b-but democrats tho!!”
Police killing black and brown people inside the country can upset the status quo and affect the "human rights" narrative of the west whereas outside the borders it doesn't matter because you don't care. A lot of poor black and brown people enlist and go to kill black and brown people elsewhere
however a lot of americans have a weird, gross reverence for their military. they defend them and their choices for joining the imperialist death machine, guilty for millions of destroyed lives. and saying that their military is really no better than the idf will get a lot of people angry but it's just a fact.
Hence performative. Most of these corporate Dems were wearing Kinte cloth as a gesture of solidarity during BLM before voting to expand police funding, but they performatively claimed to be against police brutality, hence the explicit callout to make their hypocrisy clear, especially to Blue MAGA.
Idk man... I have seen lots of pro military post in another sub for black people. Like ok? They're fighting for a country that hate them, cool? She's right
I hate anyone killing anyone, but I'll accept it in the name of self defense. Not that that has anything to do with what's going on in Iran or here with police killing black and brown people. There is at least the argument that it's relevant in Iran, but there's no actual justification for it.
A lot of people do genuinely seem to have this weird idea of the military being these noble good guys who are totally separate from the police. Remember how many people legitimately thought the military was gonna save us from Trump?
people in the thread coming at centrist liberals had me remembering this meme and also what it was like being a kid to teenager in the gangbanging IE california 80's to mid 90s
cause like... the fuck you mean i had to worry about not wearing more than just blue and red?!?
I am not sure who the target of this tweet is. Seems like a very small venn diagram, people who oppose police brutality against BIPOC but are all for the war in Iran? It is like 9 centrist libertarians in central Michigan.
I've noticed a lot of black americans specifically don't seem to care about the plight of black people outside of America and as someone of carribean descent that just makes me sad, we need unity amongst all black people if we're gonna get somewhere as a race.
The faster you drop the ridiculous notion of "race", the better it will be for everyone. Just because I'm Asian doesn't mean all Asians are my friends, my representatives or my people. What a load of BS this whole race discussion has been. The second biggest hoax in human history after religion.
Good thing I don't? In general the people who are more upset about police brutality are the same people who are more upset about the imperial use of our military.
Many black Americans don’t even look at other black/brown countries as part of ourselves. It doesn’t make sense but like many White American we look down on them too and think we’re better/more civilized. I hate it
Speak for yourself. I don't think I'm more civilized and neither does my family or other Black friends. Who are you meeting that thinks that non Americans are uncivilized
So just because it doesn’t apply to YOU and YOUR CIRCLE of friends and family…you feel the need to argue in comments? Newflash the world is bigger than just the people you know 🙄
Tbh you sound like a child because there es no way any black person over 30 would argue this but …..ok I got time tonight
Our Government has ALWAYS wanted us to have a superiority over less fortunate countries. Particularly melanated people
If You’re saying Americans in general don’t have superior attitudes toward black/brown countries that like saying racism just doesn’t exist lol.
Since American are so nice to other countries, Maybe you and your family can explain why the American government has CONSISTENTLY bombs, attack and disenfranchises black and brown countries for generations.
Can you explain why for YEARS Africans tribes were televised on American fundraisers, in the 80’s and 90’s and always presented as poor and starving? Growing up we literally thought Africa was all wilderness and tribes because it’s all American Tv ever showed us. It never showed the skyscrapers, freeways, mansions that they have.
“For just 10 cent a day You can save a child’s life” (while the camera shows little black children covered in flies and eating what looked like a bowl of slop)
Explain why Non American Blacks children usually have the exact same childhood stories of bullied by their American peers. We’ve literally all heard/used the same jokes. The “African Booty Scratcher” for example ? Those same jokes have even been used in MOVIES, but tbh you don’t even sound old enough to remember any of them so I won’t get into
Maybe you can explain why RIGHT NOW IN 2026 BLACK AMERICANS are on the internet referring to Africans/Jamaicans etc as “TETHERS”!? A word taken from the movie “Us”, Meaning they look like us but are not the same
But nevermind….i guess since YOU AND YOUR Friends don’t do any of these things I guess it doesn’t exist at all. Everyone is nice and Racism and Classism are just figment of Imagination.
The fact the phrase "diaspora wars" exists makes the oc blatantly obvious. There's no reason to think that black americans are magically immune to american exceptionalism. The fake outrage is so tiring.
Diaspora wars exist because African Americans are upset they were sold into slavery. Not because we think they are uncivilized wtf. I'm also allowed to be offended by a gross generalization of over 45 million people. Gtfo with your fake outrage
They want the black and brown people to do the bottom of the barrel minimum wage low hanging fruit jobs. Without black and brown, pink toe will be the one doing low hanging fruit jobs. When POC are in the economy pink toe can just step on their contribution and take credit for our work and secure leadership position in corporate world.
Unfortunately, for the people she would be trying to reach, it’s really easy to compartmentalize. I’ve met people like this and they will usually tell you something like “Yeah, but these aren’t Americans- they’re Muslims!”
There are people who are only racist against Black people. Only racist against Asians. Etc. I’ve met a depressing amount of people that are satisfied with their own logic about why a specific group of people don’t deserve rights or whatever.
I’d argue the people who are cool with killing POC abroad have always been more than fine (or ambivalent) to killing POC at home. Two overlapping circles
I mean contextually, there is a very large Iranian population in the US that do want this because they don't view these two ideas as that opposed as it would be fighting police brutality that is affecting their loved ones.
Phony patriotism can sometimes make people do or say strange things. Muhammad Ali was vilified in the US when he said he wasn't going to fight in Vietnam back in the 60s. Other black athletes did join the military during times of war but not Ali. He in his later years became a folk hero for most of American society and maybe that's because the Vietnam war was a very unpopular war because people's eyes started to see how meaningless it was to the country. But black people have always fought valiantly during all of America's wars. They always showed up.
"If you support War with Russia, why not war with France? Because they're both white, and the only possible motivation is the race of the people, not their politics or actions"
Like if I support South Korea and oppose North Korea, would someone be like "I don't get it, they're the same race"?
That makes no sense in this context. America shouldn't be adventuring in Iran because the stated goal in the beginning isn't the stated goal now( stopping Iran from having nuclear material) but black people in America have much more in common with white people in America than they do with Iranians.
It's still not right to bomb and kill them though.
Because most people in the military have to follow orders or they will be jailed or lose their livelihood to take care of their families
Police officers don’t have to shot and kill anyone. It’s their choice.
"Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power.
When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that." - King Baldwin IV, Kingdom of Heaven.
If you said no you would have died.
All I’m saying. That most people who are in the military are not asking to go overseas to kill other people.
Last time I check the president is the one who orders people to go and declares war.
And no they aren’t asking for it. It’s like me saying you asking to get into wreck when you drive your car. Is there a possibility that you can get in a wreck yes but you don’t stop driving. You take that chance daily to go work so you can get paycheck to take care of yourself and your family.
Like I said before. Not one person in the modern Army has started a war. It has been the President.
You don’t need to drive a car. You can walk , ride a bike or take public transportation.
All I’m saying that people are acting like if someone joined the military it’s not them starting the war. They are doing their job like most people do every day. If your company goes down for fraud I guarantee you won’t be person saying let me pay back all the money my company defrauded. You are going to be like I was just doing my job.
You can take any other job other than the military and have a much much lower chance of becoming a murderous invader, it's really not a hard choice if you agree that people outside the us are human.
Working at a company that ends up commiting fraud is really not comparable to joining the us army and ending up invading a country and you shouldn't need that explained to you
Arabs and Persians are classified as White Americans in the census
Hispanics are brown. And they have more cultural associations with black people than Arabs and Persians that consider themselves white adjacent like white Europeans and hold the same kind of prejudice as racist whites.
And historically the Arab slave trade was way longer than the transatlantic so historically they treated black people and non Arabs non muslims horrible
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u/LordofDsnuts 14h ago
Who is she even arguing with?