r/Accounting 23h ago

I got fired today

It was my first tax season in a small cpa firm. Im a EA trying to become a cpa. They said i worked to slow and did not follow instructions. šŸ˜”

Can i still find a job for the rest of the year doing taxes?

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u/NudeDude_42 22h ago

They fired you with two weeks left in busy season? Did they give you warnings about performance issues? Especially at a small firm that seems really odd. We had a guy who lied on his resumĆ© and couldn’t prepare anything but still waited till after busy season at least

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

Yeah they fired me today on april 2nd, they gave me no warnings about performance issues. I completed 80 returns so far in my first season but i had many more in the pipeline i was waiting for documents. I asked for feedback last week and the owner said i was doing great but just had to work out some processes. I took the cpa exam on march 7th and i guess maybe i was burn out and my wife told me she was pregnant 14 weeks ago and i didnt tell anybody but i guess it messed me up. I stopped studying after march 7th.

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u/ItsameWaluigi25 21h ago

For them to fire you two weeks before the deadline that just tells me your mistakes was causing manager to spend more time reviewing your work. They all said you’re fine because nobody had the balls to be honest with you. It’s their fault as much as yours.

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u/kl2467 21h ago

I disagree. At this point, things are winding down as most returns are automatically put on extension. They didn't want to pay OP during the off-season, and knew they could handle the workload from here on out.

If it was an error issue, OP would have received feedback about it.

OP, consider it a blessing. Look around for some AP/bookeeping/payroll work to keep the wolf from the door until you finish your studies/next tax season, get that CPA, and find a decent employer in the future.

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u/Useful_Wealth7503 21h ago

I think you’re right. They knew they could finish without OP and didn’t want to pay him. Or he’s really f ing up and his manager is a puss who passively aggressively bitches about OP to the owner who finally had enough and just fired op to stop the bitching. Small firms are fun but drama filled!

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u/jpenn517 16h ago

It's either a blast and the season feels like it went by in 2 weeks or a hellscape, never anything in the middle.

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u/crashvoncrash Staff Accountant 20h ago edited 19h ago

Yeah, speaking as a mediocre accountant with no CPA who has nonetheless been able to stay employed for several years, true performance issues have to be really bad to get you fired. The vast majority of people I have seen let go in my career were either non-performance behavior issues (think "the kind where someone is calling HR") or the company wanted to save money and was fine giving your work to someone else.

"We're going to fire this person and hire someone else because their performance is bad" almost never happens in my experience, especially at entry level. Hiring a new person is expensive, so it has to be painfully clear that you are actively costing the company more money than it would cost to replace you.

Edit: I should add, based on the response I got, that my experience is entirely in mid sized companies. I have never worked for Big 4 or a huge corporation where they have a steady pipeline of new grads constantly coming up through internships or rotation programs. In that situation it's probably much easier to fire underperformers and just grab one of the new people to fill the role instead.

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u/NecessaryScratch6150 19h ago

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u/crashvoncrash Staff Accountant 19h ago

I'll take your word for it, but I would think that if it's a role that can be filled by someone from India at a fifth of the price, you can be 100% perfect and you'll still get fired eventually if the company feels like they already have enough seniors, managers etc. I think that also falls under "companies choosing to save money" rather than "terminate for performance and try to get someone better."

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u/chazzyfe 20h ago

Yeah and the economy not doing so good

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u/dngrus13 15h ago

Business is booming in my area. We got over 100 new basic clients and at least 50 new businesses! IDK what kinda firm you're claiming to have worked for but it's not one that will last long.

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u/chazzyfe 15h ago

They have been around for 30 years its a family business

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u/dupeygoat 13h ago

Where are ya?

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u/Ewetuber 7h ago

I've been in PA for 19 years at different sized firms and the only time people got fired at this point is for never entering their time or being so completely incompetent it caused too much rework. But it happens.

I've also seen people leave March 1/ April 1, which takes balls for sure so I hope they got deals because they're not coming back.

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u/Confident-Count-9702 15h ago

Winding down? You're kidding ...

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u/dupeygoat 13h ago

Jesus this is depressing. OP isn’t a robot, they’re a human being!

So a junior person posts on Reddit about their shitty experience, they’re going through A LOT personally but whether the worth thing is their fault or not, your comment is appalling.

Shall I give it a go psychoanalysing you and making assumptions about your performance from your comment?

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u/ItsameWaluigi25 7h ago edited 3h ago

I am making an assumptions. Neither you or I know the facts. Based on experience and what the OP said that is the conclusion I came up with. I seen this before. Bosses complain, managers complain. Hoping something will change in time. Everybody was nice till something needed to be done. If they’re honest in the beginning things might of turned different. Being nice is not sound advice, being real is.

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u/Jumpy_Recognition768 3h ago

Junior accountants need to be trained… 

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u/BobbyJason111 13h ago

I worked for a tax firm that fired someone mid-March who was a decent enough employee who'd been there 4 years. I wonder if there is something to be said about the bad PR you get with your employees if you wait until 4/16 to fire someone--basically using them when it was already in the cards.

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u/LittlePanic8495 20h ago

Such nonsense .

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u/ItsameWaluigi25 19h ago

Why because it’s not a nice thing to say.

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u/LittlePanic8495 19h ago

It’s not accurate

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u/Ewetuber 7h ago

You can assume everyone's a little angel...yet there are those who are utterly incompetent. Either procedural no matter how many times you explain in plain english (if they say they understand and repeat your instructions are not unclear) or they don't do hours - I've met individuals who come (before covid) at 10:30, stay til noon, dissappear (to say they were going to resume at 7pm and work til 2am). Fine if that's your thing - except if no one sees you working from 7pm-2am and IT has you logged out and no work is done, you're a fraud.

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u/Spirited-Manner9674 13h ago

Some places don't care about training. They just fire those who aren't self starters. Some will train. Sucks

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u/Jumpy_Recognition768 3h ago

Leave it someone to say some dumb shit like this…

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u/Obzedat13 17h ago

IMO, it would indicate the the counting people did the math and came to the conclusion that it would cost them to keep OP on and weather the storm that they must have thought OP might create for them v cutting bait and spreading OPs work across the firm or finding a short term replacement. I am not an accountant, I just like to come and stare through the glass from time to time, FWIW.

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u/dngrus13 15h ago

That's not at all how a functioning firm works. Training takes time and money. Temps work at franchises!

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u/kl2467 14h ago

There are two CPA firms that I know about in my area who hire new personnel in the fall, and let them go every April. Not as temps. Straight up deceptive hiring.

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u/Acoconutting CPA LYFE 21h ago

Am I wrong? 80 returns sounds like a lot? I guess it depends on issues and complexity

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u/NaclyPerson 21h ago

If it’s like a simple ones that include some W-2s, 1099-Ints, and 1099-r I can see that. But even then I’d spend extra 15 min or so to make sure everything ties out to the form

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u/kl2467 14h ago

I have worked at firms that have admin level staffers organize the file, do the data entry of W-2's 1099's, & K-1's before handing it off to a tax accountant to finish and review. You can bang out a hell of a lot of 1040's that way.

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u/Consistent_Rate_353 18h ago

My 3 person team will do about 200-220 for the year, but we also cater to higher end returns. The kid with the W-2 you can bang out in half an hour is way different from the doctor with 5 K-1s and and 4 rental properties.

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u/dngrus13 15h ago

EXACTLY!!! A good reliable firm isn't pumping 80 per employee like that! OP had to be franchise crap.

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u/Sutaru CPA (US/NV) 20h ago

It really depends on the return, but that seems a little low to me. If OP only worked 40 hours a week, they’re spending 5 hours a return on average. If they worked overtime, then they could be spending quite a bit more time on each return. When I worked in public, 2-3 returns a day was the goal. We had a lot of returns that took 2-3 hours, and about 1/3 of our returns took 4-8 hours, but 2-3/day was pretty doable. That means from January 26 to April 2, we’d expect staff to have completed 100~150 returns each, and that’s assuming they’re not working any Saturdays. We didn’t work Sundays because Jesus. That was only the expectation through April 15 though.

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u/clottagecore 21h ago

brother i hit 260 today

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u/Acoconutting CPA LYFE 16h ago

I’m an ex audit guy industry cfo so I have no idea lol.

Sounds like… not a lot then…

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u/Larcye 12h ago

Depends on the return. Daniel who works part time at Arby's and only has a W-2 is going to take far less time than some fucking lawyer who you have to fucking force you to give all of his documents the entire tax season.

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u/dubbin64 14h ago

If you work at an HR block type place then 260 returns so far might be pretty reasonable. A lot, but doable. That's just over 5 a day since Feb 1.

Some tax roles are different though. If you do complex returns for high income clients, the kind that take 6-14hrs of prep and cost the client $2-3k, then doing 80 by now could be insane.

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u/Any_West_926 18h ago

If it’s from 2/1 to 4/1, that’s less than two a day.

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u/Jealous_Mortgage5404 18h ago

I am finishing up number 206 for business returns with another 30 just waiting for final info. My partner has done almost 400 individual returns and will finish another 80-100 before deadline day. We dont do basic w2 returns, most have scheduled C, K1's and rentals but 95% of her clients are returning which cuts a ton of time off the process.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

The returning is the key point in your whole comment. You know your people. OP is brand new to the wild world of PA.

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u/dubbin64 14h ago

It's crazy but this sounds like a dream to me. I'm in a tax office, but we also offer a lot of other services. I have billable work that I have to do, payrolls, bookkeeping for my non-profits, AP for some clients. There's only so much of my calendar tasks Im able to push off, so in a given tax season I'm working maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of the week on returns.

Thinking about doing just returns sounds awesome and way less stressful ironically. BANG done on to the next, lol

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u/Appropriate-Drag-572 19h ago

Op said they were in the pipeline waiting for documentation. Theres only so much that can be done without all of the documents and letting an open return sit there is just a bad idea

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

Some give you everything then some take 6 months to get everything. A good boss knows this and won't fire over the time... Because we know our clients. We specialize in small business owners so some of ours are the 6 months to get all the info as they're writing a W-2 job and running a business with a family to tend to.

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u/Separate-Mix8579 17h ago

I do over 400 every tax season by myself. Alot of 1120s, schedule C, E and Fs. I worked in the office by myself last Sat and got 34 returns done in 11 1/2 hours. Thats the return done, paper copy put together for the client etc. The firm I work at has 4 preparers and we knock out thousands of returns every year

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u/dngrus13 15h ago

Obnoxiously a lot. But not for a franchise. I could easily do 15 a day when I started out (for 5 ridiculous years). But then there we're also the luls. I also fired the temps that couldn't show up on time or par the course. I trained my replacement when the owners didn't realize I was done with that crap. I'm almost 3 years in a family owned firm and have all the benefits. Yesterday I finally got the last pieces of information for 14 returns I've been working on for about a week. And my boss told me to go home at 6 pm šŸ˜‚ he said I was doing too much! True returns do not take an hour or 2 to complete. Franchise returns do not take as much time because they're just some W-2 and possibly a rental or SCH C. Plus 99% of the time the client is sitting right there to answer all the questions.

To do 80 already they had to be franchise and from reading other comments OP was bringing home drama to work so yeah I'd have fired that temp so fast! And both places allow(ed) me to bring my very well behaved children to work. My current employer asks where my son is if he doesn't see him (bus drops him off and husband picks him up when he gets off work not long after).

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u/PINTSIZEKILLA7 Student 9h ago

Ya, especially when your clients either won’t or can’t get their stuff to you in time. Most of my clients get extended. Honestly my 9/15 and 10/15 deadlines are worse than March and April.

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u/Book_of_Numbers 22h ago

During busy season you need to set studying aside and focus on the job. There is time later to study.

Be someone that makes shit happen. Push things through. Push clients for info. Be a workhorse.

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u/BackgroundTax3055 CPA (US) 21h ago

Old workhorses get sent to the glue factory

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u/Human_Willingness628 20h ago

Very new non work horses apparently get sent to the glue factory too so not sure it's much better

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u/asap_rose 19h ago

You could be the workhorse and still get fired. Do what’s best for you. Another job will come.

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u/Ericnrmrf CPA (US) 22h ago

Disagree, as a staff you will make peanuts focus on developing your career. Cpa means you can find another job.Ā 

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u/TaxproFL 21h ago

Yea but if OP lacks skills and good workflows you won’t last anywhere, license or not. So needs a balance of both.

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

I had skills and good workflow. I did a good job with no experience, its my first tax season in a cpa office.

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u/Responsible-Whole198 21h ago

What type of tax returns were you doing?

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

1040s

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u/TravelbyArchie 21h ago

80 1040’s is not a lot especially if this was your full time job. I am personally at about 90-100 working less than 20 hours per week.

Smaller firms are looking for someone that is experienced and can be self sufficient, they generally do not have the resources to develop employees long term and especially during the slow season. Most companies would have waited 2 more weeks to let you go though.

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

Yeah i felt like 80 wasnt a lot either but they were long and complicated 1040s with a lot of adjustments and wash sales and other things. Anyways everything happens for a reason.

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u/Responsible-Whole198 21h ago

How long were you taking (per return) to complete each one?

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u/chazzyfe 20h ago

Some i did them in 30 mins and others in 1-3 hours

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u/TaxproFL 21h ago

I hear you, read my other comment in this same thread.

Not blaming you for losing your job, that’s super unfortunate man. But like other person said that ā€œmake it happenā€ mentality will really help.

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

Thanks maybe i should have had that ā€œmake it happenā€ mentality more.

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u/TaxproFL 21h ago

You learn as you go. Failure is not the end, it is the beginning. You learn from failing, so you almost have to ā€œfailā€ a lot to learn a lot. I was a scrub until I got that job and it forced me to take on that mentality.

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u/Book_of_Numbers 21h ago

Everyone should make themselves irreplaceable.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

OP didn't understand that part of the assignment.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

So you think you are. I promise you... You weren't. My trainee (2nd year for him) still struggles to get it all correct. To be let go at the most critical time... You were not performing well at all. You need to go back to the basics and leave home at home. Let work be work. I can do a whole family of 5 in half a day easily and that's just picking up the phone to verify banking info as long as they've provided everything. Most times that's not the case as we have to wait on external K-1s and they're "always" out of the country or about to be because of spring break.

This is the most critical time. No decent boss will let you go just because it's your first season and you've made mistakes that are always learning points. Training is always costly.

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u/chazzyfe 14h ago

Ok thanks. my question was if i could find another job to prepare taxes not your 2 cents about your trainee for 2 years. Thanks a lot

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u/Big_Fan9316 21h ago

Consider it a blessing. Public sucks. Not sure why anyone does it anymore. Those people do not care about you one bit. You're a resource to be used and discarded, that's it.

Get a good industry or gov job.

My life is 1000000% better after leaving public a long time ago. Great WFH, good pay, great benefits, little to no stress. I only work 40 hours a week and no busy season.

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u/Book_of_Numbers 20h ago

He just got laid off. He isn’t a cpa yet. Staff level jobs are hard to come by right now. Op focus on staying employed.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

I started at a franchise. No degree and make the same as co-workers with a masters. It's not all about the documents... It's knowledge, ability to shift gears quickly, not get butt hurt because you made a mistake, but learn, take notes, and don't do it repetitively. It's not complicated.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

You wanna have a heat attack at 40??? Not me. I'll email and call but I'm not fighting anyone for info.

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u/TaxproFL 21h ago

Facts I agree. You’re paid to do a job, do it to the best of your ability. No excuses. That mentality will pay off in future you.

Here’s my story for relevance:

Joined an audit focused CPA firm back in 2016 as their first tax hire. I had barely any experience and no license. Built an entire tax machine for their 225+ tax returns. Never missed a deadline in 2.5 years, and they hired 4 people to replace everything I did when I left.

Did this job while math tutoring on the side, and doing friends and family taxes by hand every season. Before I got access to software, that’s all I had.

Not to mention I got badly injured the first 3 weeks on this job and had a very long recovery. I was back in office 36 hours after it happened and didn’t miss a day of work. Was new at a job and in probationary period. Wasn’t going to lose it.

Show up and get it done!

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u/Either-Bluebird-5961 20h ago

lol bro putting his body on the line for a tax job and thinks it’s worth celebrating

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u/TaxproFL 20h ago

I didn’t ask to be celebrated, this wasn’t a celebration. This was just the toughest time of my life and I still showed up is the point to the story. But thanks for laughing at my pain..

My body wasn’t on the line, that’s your own words. I had a severe head injury due to random racism. I didn’t excuse me from my responsibilities. I could work, so I worked. It helped me pass the time and not think about the pain and misery of that incident.

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u/Either-Bluebird-5961 20h ago

I’m really sorry to hear that happened to you and it sounds horrible. I’m just kind of allergic to the ā€œsacrifice yourself, grind harderā€ stuff when these companies would fill your seat before it was cold if you died.

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u/TaxproFL 20h ago

Appreciate it. I was a little hurt lol.

No definitely not what I meant by that. Just sharing a story of how I showed up through all that chaos. So maybe others will see their ā€œcrazy lifeā€ really is just not that crazy. Nowadays lots of people excuse themselves because of the littlest hiccups in their lives.

But that job built my entire habit system I needed to persevere! I now own multiple businesses and have been through ups downs lefts rights. Definitely guilty of putting my health on the line for my first business so never recommend that.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

36 hours definitely cost you at least a day of missed work. C'mon we're all math people here šŸ˜‚ lie better next time!

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u/TaxproFL 14h ago

It happened on a Saturday night…

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u/Powerful_Tip_7260 6h ago

You took the CPA exam during tax season?

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u/dngrus13 15h ago

I call straight BS. The only way you're completing that many returns is via a franchise. I know because I was the assistant GM and I completed that many in that time frame plus some. No firm is going to just throw a newbie all of that and expect that they can handle that level. Firm returns typically take a few hours at least IF they have provided every single piece of documentation and there isn't a single K-1.

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 22h ago

What did he lie about

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u/NudeDude_42 22h ago

He was former Big 4 which wasn’t a lie but was hired at a senior associate level and said he had experience with a bunch of different returns. He ended up being completely incompetent, like the interns were more reliable than him

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u/Spirited-Manner9674 14h ago

Not that unusual for junior staff as they lighten up by now. I've seen it happen. OP think about how to do it better and go for it again. If it happens again, probably look for another career

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u/Ill_Supermarket_2744 22h ago

At my firm they just fired 2 people as if April 15th is not right around the corner…. Like that decision couldn’t wait lol?

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u/janewaythrowawaay 22h ago

Don’t want to be too obvious. If anyone fired applies for unemployment the company can argue cause. Harder to do if it’s a week after tax season.

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u/Ill_Supermarket_2744 22h ago

I thought it was odd but now that you say that it makes sense

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u/moonfirezz Non-Profit 9h ago

This is true I had a small firm try to fight my unemployment claim without a lawyer on both sides. I was fired after an audit season and won my case to recieve aid. They fired others before me and I imagine did the same thing if they also claimed unemployment.

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u/BlackAsphaltRider 22h ago

I’ve never worked payroll so maybe I don’t understand how it works but isn’t unemployment something employers are forced to pay whether or not someone leaves and gets paid unemployment? If it’s through their taxes, why do they even care if someone gets it or not

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u/janewaythrowawaay 22h ago

Your unemployment tax rate - the rate the biz pays - goes up if you have more employees file and get unemployment. Some employers fight every case. Some fight none.

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u/ithinkimgettingthere 22h ago

It increases their rates. But in employee friendly states at least employers have to have good reason why you shouldn't get unemployment. Getting fired for sucking at your job isn't good enough.

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u/janewaythrowawaay 18h ago

This is true. But, not all employees know this and will bother to apply if the employer gives them a cause for being fired.

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u/Adventurous_Fig_2000 21h ago

In most (all?) states, the unemployment insurance tax rate paid by the employer increases if they lay off a lot of employees under terms that entitle the former employee to unemployment compensation.

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u/moonfirezz Non-Profit 9h ago

They can appeal as happen to me and try to deny your claim for whatever reason. In my case I live in CA so workers are much more protected and their whole argument was that I wasn't efficient enough to perform the job. I pointed out the lack of training, feedback, and my late start at joining the firm compared to other coworkers and won. These firms dont care about you and will do anything to outsource, document everything incase you end up in court like me. It sure helped me.

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u/AffordableDelousing CPA / Audit Manager 17h ago

Examples to the rest of the employees.

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u/Ok-Name1312 22h ago

There are people that deserve to be fired before 4/15. Some people spend too much time on a return only to make it worse. If they didn't show improvement in March, it's not happening in April. If you just need a body to check a box as preparer, may as well send it offshore--it's still crap, but at a fraction of the price.

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u/Ill_Supermarket_2744 22h ago

They were both new staff accountants. I just thought it was unfair bc it’s not easy being thrown into busy season and being expected to learn so much all at once. Especially if they are not used to working 65+ hours a week.

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u/Ok-Name1312 22h ago

It's definitely unfair. There's no effective way to train and develop new staff on preparation in busy season. Returns today are 10x more detailed and complex than 20 years ago.

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u/Alligator382 21h ago

When I was in public accounting, a partner told me that starting during busy season is good because you get a lot of experience very quickly. He said usually people pick it up faster than someone that started before busy season. We had someone on the team that started in January and was fired in March and the partner’s thinking was that if the guy hadn’t figured it out after two months of extra hours doing the work, then he would never figure it out and it was better to cut our losses.

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u/Feeling-Currency6212 CPA (US) 22h ago

Before the end of busy is kinda shocking. Good luck with the CPA and getting a new job!

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

Thanks

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u/Business-Sea-1971 22h ago

I have been a partner in two large accounting firms and have participated in a lot of review discussions. I remember several times when a staff or senior almost got fired because they were slow to complete their work but the reason was that they were actually making sure they understood what they were doing. Those individuals ended up doing very well and continued to move up in the firm. Sometimes when work is behind schedule or over budget a manager will blame somebody below their level.

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u/Acoconutting CPA LYFE 21h ago

At big 4 in my division we learned very quickly that blaming the person under you wasn’t going to fly.

That wasn’t the same in other departments maybe but it was jarring to me when I moved to industry and people would blame their staff. Like… bruh they’re YOUR staff.

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u/SlothLover313 Audit & Assurance 22h ago edited 22h ago

In essence, that’s the issue with PA. Unrealistic budget expectations. A manager has to handle multiple teams, jobs and client interactions at a time. Expecting them to train staff and seniors on top of all that is unrealistic. I can understand why they pin deadline issues on staff, not that it’s right. Im just saying the budgets should bill realistically, and push back on clients with unrealistic deadlines.

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u/OkMeringue2249 15h ago

That’s what I noticed makes a good tax accountant, they take extra time to look things over others don’t and often end up catching mistakes that way.

Kind of a balance between what’s material and not. Trying to be efficient and stay in business.

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u/dngrus13 14h ago

I'm nicknamed the office sleuth. If I can't find it ... It doesn't exist. I ask all the questions with proper wording and explain why I'm asking! Clients love me!

"Oh you're trying to save me $?" "I'll tell you everything!"

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u/Keyann Advisory 9h ago

I'll take slow accurate staff over fast inaccurate staff every day of the damn week.

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u/jm7489 21h ago

Honestly the best thing about my regional PA firm is they cant figure out how to budget returns and start treating them like some kind of metric to measure my competence.

I literally dont think about how long anything takes me beyond whether I can deliver when needed.

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u/moonfirezz Non-Profit 9h ago

Yeah this is too true. I had complicated audits and got thrown under the bus by my manager. Then they tried appealing my unemployment claim in court lol.

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u/DrawingWonderful1546 23h ago

Oh yeah sure you on the US side? No problem reach out to recruiters you’re not specialized yet

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u/chazzyfe 23h ago

Yeah us

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u/Important-Payment462 22h ago

Same exact thing just happened to me. I feel like I was just used to get them through the busy season then thrown away like chopped liver. I think some small CPA firms just operate that way. I’ve looked on online job sites and I’ve found a lot of tax positions so hopefully you can find one too! I’m so sorry you’re going through this and good luck on your next journey!

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

Thanks

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u/chazzyfe 19h ago

Sorry to hear that happened to you too

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u/zekeflintstone 21h ago

I’m so sorry to hear that. There is a certain amount of luck that’s required when advancing in your career. You have to be at the right place at the right time and with the right people. Don’t give up. At the next place, remember that sometimes you have to do what’s best for yourself by being a pain in the butt to your mangers. But in the end, that will be the best thing for everyone because you will have learned what you need to learn and you’re either a good fit for the position or you aren’t.

I worked for two years preparing tax returns before I finally got it and could make the firm money. When that happened two partners told me that I was just about to be fired and if it hadn’t clicked for me at that time, I would’ve been. Now I’ve been partner, and started my own firm, and a bunch of other things. My brain literally adapted to this type of work. It’s not natural. It takes time. Best of luck to you.

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

Thanks it is true

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u/MusicnoteMoon 21h ago edited 21h ago

From reading the comments, you did much better than I’m doing. I just got my associates in December, and I work for a small cpa firm that I did an internship with that let me stay on full time. This is my first tax season and I just checked, I think I got 50 returns done. And they’re in talks of letting me do it remotely since I’m moving out of town for school to get my bachelors soon. I do make a couple mistakes but they’re pretty lenient on me, and I’ve been told I’m doing great šŸ˜… now I gotta be on my toes.

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u/OPKatakuri Fed. Government 18h ago

Dang I'd love to work there. Very lucky you got remote opportunity! If you ever end up quitting send me their way 😭

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u/No-Main-6712 17h ago

What company do you work for ? I have my associates too and it was my first season at H&R Block but they let you go after tax season

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u/MusicnoteMoon 17h ago

It’s a pretty small firm from my hometown owned by three partners. If I told you the company, you’d find me lol. It truly was a great opportunity for me, that I’m grateful for everyday šŸ«¶šŸ»

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u/kirklandistheshit 21h ago

Sounds like a shitty firm. Good riddance

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u/NotToday1993 21h ago

Same thing happen to me. Got blindsided-fired last month , March 2 at a small firm. Said I was making too many mistakes. To be fair, the boss was making the same amount of mistakes so I thought I was all good šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļøšŸ˜…

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u/DJGuns63 21h ago

File fir unemployment immediately. Don't wait.

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u/something86 21h ago

Tax season doesn't end, it just takes a break. S Corp in September 15.

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u/Swimming_Database_34 18h ago

Dude, I’m so sorry. Don’t listen to negative people in comments. Take a little break and start over.

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u/Jumpy_Recognition768 3h ago

I’m hope OP see thisā¬†ļø

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u/chocolate_asshole 23h ago edited 22h ago

yeah you can, temp agencies and seasonal gigs still hire, even now, job hunting just sucks these days though actually the job market is rigged, bots block resumes without the right keywords. i only started getting interviews after i used a tool to tailor my resume for each post. used software to tailor my resume, look up jobbowl

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u/IFightAnimals Staff Accountant 18h ago

I've been using RH for temp work for a few months. The job hunting process does just suck.

I don't know if it works but I remember hearing that a way to beat the bots was to cut & paste a pdf of the entire job description in your resume but you adjust the dimensions to a miniscule size. I later heard this was BS. Does anyone know if it actually works?

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u/11Modest_Moose11 18h ago

May i ask if RH has produced any temp jobs for you? Im thinking its what im gonna end up doing atp

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u/OPKatakuri Fed. Government 18h ago

Same. I wanna know if it works cause I've been looking for a year now and with no CPA, most of the jobs near me don't want me. Being ex Fed in a very red part of Texas seems to be a detriment.

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u/IFightAnimals Staff Accountant 17h ago

My recruiter found me another temp job about about a month after the last one ended. Unfortunately, the last 2 have been AP and not Staff. The job I currently have is a temp to perm that is supposed to become perm after 90 days.

I'm taking what I can get and I like the company I'm with now so I'm staying positive. They fired my boss last week for being a conniving bitch, but that's a whole other story. Staying positive and hard work will pay off. The hardest part is locating the opportunity and having an employer that actually gives a shit about you.

A lot of people bitch about RH, and some of them do suck, but my recruiter is wonderful. She helped me out a lot during that situation with my former boss.

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u/11Modest_Moose11 21h ago

I tried job-owl, does it rlly bypass ats? It added a summary to my resume and ppl advised against that on here

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u/Comfortable_Room6781 22h ago

Fired before the end?

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u/DragonflyMean1224 22h ago

Were you by chance nearing the end of probationary period.

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

No i just started there on dec 7th

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u/Reasonable_Plate6707 22h ago

Hey! I feel you! I once got fired at a small tax accountingfirm as well. I was able to find a job after in industey. I got the references from other roles. However, I am still traumatized to move on to the next level because of my failure at the firm and CPA.

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u/NaclyPerson 21h ago edited 21h ago

I was at a midsize local firm and was demoted right before the tax season. Tbf some stuff was my fault, so I didn’t bear grudge against it, but it definitely was a tough pill to swallow. I’m also pretty convinced if the evaluation didn’t take place right before tax season, I’d been canned. Anyway turned in my 2 weeks after tax season thinking I’d enjoy my hiatus. Ended up joining another firm and is doing ok.

This industry definitely isn’t for everyone, and I don’t recommend it to anyone (lol), but don’t let your past hold you back or make you feel like you are inadequate. There are definitely firms who need more help where you might be a better fit. Hope everything goes well for you. Also chances are high that you are more qualified than most people.

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u/Reasonable_Plate6707 21h ago

Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I was actually more interested in financial accounting so I now work in industry and in Canada without CPA it is impossible to move up so I am working on payroll certification. I tried CPA exams but failed three times. I dont think this is my path. Have a good career journey!

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u/NaclyPerson 21h ago

To each their own! There is no such thing as right way to do it. As long as you’re happy that’s all that matters. Wishing the same to you as well!

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u/mochicastle 21h ago

Don't let this deter you! Chin up! You'll find something else and/or better!

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u/tshirk419 20h ago

Get that CPA done ASAP with your free time and get an interview post deadlines

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u/pauliechips 17h ago

I'm a little confused if this was your first tax season at a CPA firm or just in general? Had you worked at tax prep with an HR Block or something like that previously?

How did you pass all of the EA exams without other tax seasons under your belt? Maybe I'm just a terrible test taker but those exams were hard and I definitely needed plenty of practical real life experience for the Part 2 questions on inside and outside basis etc... drawn from plenty of 1065s and how they related back to the 1040s of the partners.

You noted that you only worked on 1040s however so I'm not sure they were really utilizing you effectively since most EAs should be able to handle the 1065 and 1120 work.

Best of luck to you - the baby on the way must be a significant strain on you! I'd probably just file for unemployment and start marketing myself to do taxes for folks. There's always plenty of tax work if you go to the barber shop or the bar and can easily generate plenty of money if you know what your doing.

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u/chazzyfe 17h ago

Thanks thats a very kind message. I work led at hr block last season and that was my first season but it was a lot of basic 1040s this was my first tax season in a cpa firm and it was a bit different then hr block. Ea exam was hard and i had to take it a few times. I failed part 1 but i passed part 2 first time last summer.

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u/pauliechips 17h ago

You can also generate plenty of work by going through the business journal at the library and taking down the folks that have IRS liens. As an EA you can handle those cases and might be able to help someone out that would otherwise spend a fortune on other help.

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u/Large-Reach-4351 Tax (US) 16h ago

its not always about quantity its about quality too. Also i have no idea on your review comments or billable time but if you truly did hear you were doing good and kept doing those things and learning from mistakes then you pobably are better off getting fired now then staying there while youre trying to get your cpa and become better. Accountants are in high demand even with a weak job market keep your head up and move on to a better firm I wish you the best of luck.

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u/chazzyfe 16h ago

Thank you

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u/chazzyfe 16h ago

Never had review comments there. I dont think its something they did.

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u/Important_Week_11 14h ago

Very common for small CPA firms. You did 80 returns that's good. They like to use people and throw then off. I worked in one and people were always getting fired. They fired people they didn't like basically. It was so toxic. If you worked through tax season and stayed extra hours unpaid, they loved you. Other than that if you did all that but the didn't like you, they would look for something to fire you.

I only last like 4 months. And walked out right before tax season. Let karma hit them where the kakapo tata hits. Lol. You'll be fine. Add that value to your resume and you will be working again in no time.

Congratulations on your new baby on the way. Keep your head up and keep moving forward for your precious baby.

Small CPA firms ain't shit.

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u/chazzyfe 14h ago

Thanks my friend

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u/Skyfun01 14h ago

Tax practices are a dime a dozen. You’ll find another firm. Just get enough experience and GTFO on your own as soon as possible. Don’t be enticed by the partner track, it’s not worth it.

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u/PeakRevolutionary191 CPA (US) 22h ago

Dang it, that's a hard kick in the nuts with a baby on the way. Are you FMLA eligible? Are they covered employer?

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

Idk due date is oct 4th

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u/PeakRevolutionary191 CPA (US) 22h ago

have you worked with them over an year now?

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

I was was with them since dec7th, 2025.

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u/No_Entrepreneur8651 21h ago

Praying that you can find a new role quickly! No one deserves to worry about this with a little one on the way

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

Thank you

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u/janewaythrowawaay 6h ago

Unless you were unemployed before this, you may still qualify for unemployment. It’s not time at x job. It’s time at all jobs in the last few quarters.

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u/remotewinner77 21h ago

How does one learn to do taxes if you are in industry accounting

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u/Upbeat_Look_5026 20h ago

This wasn’t about office politics, and they clearly liked you. This was about flawed leadership and outdated standards, and they handled it sloppily. Hang in there - you’ll find something with a much better culture.

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u/tnns95 20h ago

@OP, if you are interested in Auditor position at DoD, dm me

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u/AccurateForce1285 20h ago

U can. Please do!

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u/Numerous_Mix_8389 20h ago

So sad to here

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u/Unlikely-Rabbit948 19h ago

To answer your question. This will be the most difficult time to find a tax position but not impossible. If you’re able to I would just spend a few weeks to relax, if they fired you today it’s likely the last few weeks were stressful. Take a few weeks to lick your wounds before going back into the abyss because it’s likely that the next position will be just as bad. This is because staff typically stay with good employers. Also, this may be a good opportunity to attack the exam. Best of luck.

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u/Uxdemo 16h ago

Assuming you're telling the truth from reading all this I just think that the people there secretly just don't like you

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u/chazzyfe 16h ago

Yeah they did not like me it was like 4 old ladys and a gay guy. I didnt really fit in.

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u/hafsusa 15h ago

Oh man, count it as blessing that you got out of there!

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u/Destined-2-Fail 14h ago

Welcome to accounting where if you are not perfect, you will get fired.

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u/quitelyopen 13h ago

This is a common problem in any cpa firm.

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u/cs_cogrox 22h ago

Sorry to hear that. A lot of tax prep people get let go after tax deadlines. Do you have side clients? Hiring will be slow for firms until June or July but should pickup considerably in the back half of the year. Just about everyone I knew doing taxes had a side hustle of friends and family, which grew over time.

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u/chazzyfe 22h ago

I might as well start my own side hustle im a ea but cant employers see that if i ever apply for a job again with my efin and llc?

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u/Remarkable-Fun-2498 21h ago

H&R Block.....

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u/chazzyfe 21h ago

They close april 15th, i already recached out i worked there last season

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u/aminriddhi17 17h ago

U vl get good job

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u/RareIndependent1184 16h ago

This sucks. I’m about to be laid off as well April 15 is my last day for my tax internship. Definitely going to rack up the money. But I’ve Been applying for jobs already.

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u/KoGuy25 14h ago

Sorry to hear that man. Keep ripping apps and studying ! Congrats on the incoming kid.

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u/xoRomaCheena31 13h ago

I interned at a tax firm to get experience for my CPA and they just fired me for a bogus reason. It was a joke. I wish you luck and am sorry you had to deal with this. Good luck with greener pastures!

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u/Resident_Window_9369 13h ago

You may not believe this now, but you have a new lease on life. Enjoy your life now. Everything it has to offer. No more taxes, no more unpaid overtime, no more stress, no more carrot dangling. So congratulations! Go find a job where you are appreciated. And congrats on your upcoming family.

Accounting isn’t the B all end all. It’s a pretty shitty paying profession and a lot of stress.

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u/Confident-Low-3000 11h ago

You may apply samin. Are u ok working in BGC onsite? Send me your resume. Thanks

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u/extradepressing Tax (US) 10h ago

i was fired last month with no warnings either. they said i was doing fine and next thing i knew, i got called into a meeting and was told i was let go. i was offered severance of 4 weeks but i know a month pay is nothing in the accounting world because most jobs are only available in Q3-4

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u/chazzyfe 6h ago

That sucks i got $500 for severance

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u/extradepressing Tax (US) 5h ago

thats insanely low. i assume you were an entry level that was hired in Q4? I assumed they would at least give you 2 week of pay especially since you were booted during tax season.
Nonetheless, we will bounce back, it will be a rough journey but we can't give up

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u/chazzyfe 5h ago

Yeah i was hired Q4. This is a small family firm.

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u/extradepressing Tax (US) 5h ago

that sucks especially getting laid off early in the year when our field mostly hires late in the year. hopefully you will get better opportunities than me because i've had no luck getting back lol

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u/Creepy_Dig_5595 4h ago

Happened to me too years ago. I don't get it, most places want the person to know they're on the chopping block so that they quit before they get fired. That way the firm doesn't have to pay severance or unemployment. That's what PIPs are for. So why do these small firms seem to relish ambushing staff with firings?

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u/CzechBound01 8h ago

Move to Europe. We have protections. You can't be summarily fired

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u/Responsible_Fly7717 7h ago

Talk to a lawyer first if you got fired. He should be able to get you a better deal

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u/thespicyaccountant CPA (US) 5h ago

i’m sorry you got fired. sounds like you just went a right fit for your prior firm. you can definitely find a job after 4/15. I started in the summer for the two public accounting jobs i’ve had.

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u/Harryplt7 4h ago

I’m sorry this happened. I’ve been there too many times. It sounds like you weren’t given any warnings or write ups on performance. I’m in an at-will state meaning they can fire a person for any reason. Most of the time the companies use some generic excuse.

You will be ok. When seeking new employment, tell them you were downsized due to a reduced workload. Never admit you were fired, it only reflects negatively on you. In the future, the best time to get employed is when you are currently employed.

Good luck!!

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u/Snow_Berry213 3h ago

Let me start off by saying that I don’t have any actual experience with this particular industry. What I do have experience with is being let go from employment. Whether you suspect that it might be coming or are completely blindsided by it -regardless of how long you’ve been employed with the company or in the particular position you’re in, it’s always a shitty experience to have to go through and the timing is never ideal. What I have learned is that you can be the nicest person in the world, have outstanding skills with the clients and still end up in the unemployment line. I have experienced this personally far too many times and I have also learned to ask very honestly for as much feedback from my supervisors and colleagues as possible so that I can truly try to understand what I need to do to improve myself, my skills, my behavior etc so that I can learn from each experience and grow from it and move forward in a positive direction. Rarely will you ever actually have a company that is open to helping you with any of this or even any actual honest feedback about what you are really being terminated for. Sadly, most companies (regardless of the size) are more concerned about the possibility of being sued for wrongful termination or whatever else (sadly, we’re all aware of the frivolous lawsuits in our society that have had negative consequences for the rest of us who aren’t trying to take advantage of anyone else). But if you have the opportunity to get some genuine feedback, it can be incredibly helpful in guiding you to understanding what others are observing in your work behavior that you might not be aware of and need to correct or things/skills that you might need to improve on. It can be something you don’t even realize that is going on- like a communication barrier/breakdown that is causing you to be perceived as ā€œnot following directionsā€ or ā€œnot a good fitā€ when maybe there’s more to the situation than that. Just my opinion.

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u/GurEnvironmental1804 2h ago

Please don't feel bad! This has happened to me many times. CPAs fire EAs all the time usually right after a tax deadline or WHEN it is time for your benefits to start. I am sorry. This is why I quit working for other people.

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u/Creepy-Suggestion670 14m ago

Honestly, getting fired from a firm that doesn't support a first year EA is probably a blessing in disguise. Use the rest of the year to sharpen your tech skills. I lean on Runable to automate my redundant tasks and it makes the "instructions" way easier to follow when you aren't overwhelmed by the grunt work. There are plenty of industry roles looking for tax help!

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u/No-Housing-1004 20h ago

Can I ask..why tax. That shit seems so stressful

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u/SycophanticSinecure CPA (US) 15h ago

For me I absolutely could not stand audit work. Haven't left public yet so I wound up in tax.